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#52 Jun 15 2011 at 9:49 PM Rating: Default
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#53 Jun 16 2011 at 3:19 AM Rating: Good
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Play Guild Wars for a year and you'll see the whole aesthetic-gear design is really boring long term.
#54 Jun 16 2011 at 4:42 AM Rating: Default
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RAW, didn't you sell your accounts and post that you were quitting? If you don't care enough to post something readable and can't be bothered to spell check, what are you doing? Just trolling?
I used to have 3 accounts , my kids stop playing and I just fart around now, nothing intense. I just realize with this thread that players likes the Purples even if they look like ****. They want the precious...
#55 Jun 16 2011 at 5:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gear is character progression when you can't level-up any more. It's been standard fair for RPGs for a long time now. Most of the Final Fantasy games that I can remember had rare, powerful weapons/spells/summons that you could spend hours and hours trying to acquire on top of getting enough exp to get to level 99/maxing out your grid.
#56 Jun 16 2011 at 8:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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RAWDEAL wrote:
Rhodekylle wrote:
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Hard to do long post, I would need to care more and have my spell-check to spell-check.


RAW, didn't you sell your accounts and post that you were quitting? If you don't care enough to post something readable and can't be bothered to spell check, what are you doing? Just trolling?
I used to have 3 accounts , my kids stop playing and I just fart around now, nothing intense. I just realize with this thread that players likes the Purples even if they look like sh*t. They want the precious...

And why exactly would someone care about the aesthetics of pixels? I mean, I dont even see what I'm wearing, since I'm a moonkin and all.
Why is caring about the precious any different from caring about the looks of pixels?

You completely lost your argument, Raw.
#57 Jun 16 2011 at 9:02 AM Rating: Default
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RAWDEAL wrote:
Rhodekylle wrote:
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Hard to do long post, I would need to care more and have my spell-check to spell-check.


RAW, didn't you sell your accounts and post that you were quitting? If you don't care enough to post something readable and can't be bothered to spell check, what are you doing? Just trolling?
I used to have 3 accounts , my kids stop playing and I just fart around now, nothing intense. I just realize with this thread that players likes the Purples even if they look like sh*t. They want the precious...

And why exactly would someone care about the aesthetics of pixels? I mean, I dont even see what I'm wearing, since I'm a moonkin and all.
Why is caring about the precious any different from caring about the looks of pixels?

You completely lost your argument, Raw.
My argument is to wear what I want, not because it's purple. We all look alike right now.
#58 Jun 16 2011 at 9:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Then do it. No one is stopping you from wearing what you want.
#59 Jun 16 2011 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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RAWDEAL wrote:
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But aren't you Canadian? Smiley: dubious
I live in Canada, but born and study in France. I got secretaries now to write reports but I can't use it for this...I'm here for what I know, not my language.


Ah, okay, I'm not going to bash you for your language if you're French. Not that I mind the French. Their cooking is fantastic, the wine just as good and they make some killer desserts (crème brûlée, mmmh).
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#60 Jun 16 2011 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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But aren't you Canadian? Smiley: dubious
I live in Canada, but born and study in France. I got secretaries now to write reports but I can't use it for this...I'm here for what I know, not my language.


Ah, okay, I'm not going to bash you for your language if you're French. Not that I mind the French. Their cooking is fantastic, the wine just as good and they make some killer desserts (crème brûlée, mmmh).


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#61 Jun 16 2011 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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Davejohnsan wrote:
Mazra wrote:
RAWDEAL wrote:
Mazra wrote:
But aren't you Canadian? Smiley: dubious
I live in Canada, but born and study in France. I got secretaries now to write reports but I can't use it for this...I'm here for what I know, not my language.


Ah, okay, I'm not going to bash you for your language if you're French. Not that I mind the French. Their cooking is fantastic, the wine just as good and they make some killer desserts (crème brûlée, mmmh).


And they know how to win wars.


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#62 Jun 16 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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I just realize with this thread that players likes the Purples even if they look like sh*t. They want the precious...


That's your opinion. I rather like the looks of some of the gear. Most of the helms look silly, but that's why I don't normally show helms. But the Priest and Druid tier gear, as well as the tier gear for the other clothies, look pretty damn cool. Warrior tier is kinda boring looking, and I'm not really sure about some of the other stuff. I also like the look of the T12 for priests too. It looks like something a bishop would wear, which is very appropriate I think.

Although, I suppose my opinion can be taken with a grain of salt, considering it's hard to see gear in shadowform, and impossible in Moonkin form. But for those rare occasions I play disc/resto, I enjoy looking at my gear.
#63 Jun 16 2011 at 1:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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RAWDEAL wrote:
Brisin wrote:
RAWDEAL wrote:
Rhodekylle wrote:
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Hard to do long post, I would need to care more and have my spell-check to spell-check.


RAW, didn't you sell your accounts and post that you were quitting? If you don't care enough to post something readable and can't be bothered to spell check, what are you doing? Just trolling?
I used to have 3 accounts , my kids stop playing and I just fart around now, nothing intense. I just realize with this thread that players likes the Purples even if they look like sh*t. They want the precious...

And why exactly would someone care about the aesthetics of pixels? I mean, I dont even see what I'm wearing, since I'm a moonkin and all.
Why is caring about the precious any different from caring about the looks of pixels?

You completely lost your argument, Raw.
My argument is to wear what I want, not because it's purple. We all look alike right now.


I wear blues all the time. Smiley: waycool
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#64 Jun 16 2011 at 7:11 PM Rating: Default
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I wear blues all the time. Smiley: waycool
That's what cool players wear anyway.
#65 Jun 17 2011 at 3:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not everyone is motivated by non-gear rewards, and for things like pets, mounts and titles you can only display one at a time and for mounts not all the time. Some people think the current gear looks cool and why is there more chance that removing stats from gear will make it look better? Okay you will have more choice in what to wear but that is still constrained by what the designers produce. Personally I don't pay much attention to what I'm wearing whilst in groups and one of my characters has a town set that she wears while not questing or leveling (I'd happily do this for other characters but it's not a priority for me). I don't see a problem with having different equipment for fighting (with the looks influenced by the lore of the armour and the graphic being believable as something you would fight in) and clothes that your character wears on a day-to-day basis for just hanging around.

Next problem would be how much of the cool stuff would drop? If everyone gets items for killing a boss then there will be little need to run the content again. Similarly I'm not sure the chance at aesthetic upgrades would provide enough incentive for the majority of the player base to rerun encounters. So the replay value of dungeons and raids becomes diminished, people clear the content as far as the skill total of their group allows and then have nothing to do until the next patch. In the current game setting at least they can work on gear from other means to supplement lack of skill. In a situation where progress is based purely on skill it would be even harder for those who cannot do content to progress. I've known several people who read up on their class, try different specs, etc but just fail when it comes to playing (and I have no idea why), should those people be excluded from any sort of raid content? Surely it's better to have a system like the current one where they (and their group members) can make up for that lack of ability by out gearing the encounter.

Gear progression also means you will have had to do some content at lower levels before you are ready to go to higher level raids. If there is no gear level then I have no way of indicating to a new group that I am ready for encounters which take more skill to defeat. Similarly for dungeon groups, currently the LFG tool decides which instances you can queue for based on gear level, it's not the best method but what would be the alternative? Self-selection wouldn't work very well as people who are inexperienced (or think they are better than they are) could end up in places they are not experienced enough to deal with. Having to have done certain previous content before moving to the next level would be an unnecessary block for those who do have more skill.

Finally, whilst the idea of class quests to unlock special abilities sounds nice it favours people who have more time to put into the game, even if it is skill based people who have more time available to learn/practice the mechanics will be able to unlock that faster. Also depending on the ability in question it could again provide a block to completing future content (in the event that the ability was important enough to be needed for harder raids).

I like the game as it currently is, I don't feel that gear is the be all and end all of the game but it does provide an incentive for running raids/dungeons multiple times and means that people will have at least some experience of group play before moving on to the next level (though the numerous pug threads attest to how little some people learn from that). And regarding the look of gear, I like the feeling that I am facing bosses with a band of warriors (in the general sense of the term, not the class) I think that would be ruined slightly if my fellow raid members looked more like they were heading to a barbecue.
#66 Jun 17 2011 at 4:56 AM Rating: Default
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I like the feeling that I am facing bosses with a band of warriors (in the general sense of the term, not the class) I think that would be ruined slightly if my fellow raid members looked more like they were heading to a barbecue.
Lol, after 6 years of dungeons, sometimes it feels just like that.
#67 Jun 17 2011 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Turn an MMORPG into a Social Network?

#68 Jun 17 2011 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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And by the way, you would have to be retarded to think resilience in PvP is a bad thing. Anyone who played Vanilla and didn't raid can join me in that statement.
#69 Jun 17 2011 at 11:10 AM Rating: Default
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And by the way, you would have to be retarded to think resilience in PvP is a bad thing. Anyone who played Vanilla and didn't raid can join me in that statement.
No stats on gear for everybody, the bad and mean raiders won't hurt you... Now you’re running around 1 shotting players with no resilience (you even made a thread about how proud you are) and you think it's funny. If I removed the stats, now how bad boy are you now? Pfttt, that’s what I thought!
#70 Jun 17 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Default
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I think Tol Barad is the perfect venue to get my footage. It's always full of new 85s and people silly enough to do quests in a PvP zone without PvP gear
See, my idea will eliminate the people silly enough to think because of the stats on gears they are better.
#71 Jun 17 2011 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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I think that, in the end, Raw, this image is about you.
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#72 Jun 17 2011 at 11:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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RAWDEAL wrote:
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And by the way, you would have to be retarded to think resilience in PvP is a bad thing. Anyone who played Vanilla and didn't raid can join me in that statement.
No stats on gear for everybody, the bad and mean raiders won't hurt you... Now you’re running around 1 shotting players with no resilience (you even made a thread about how proud you are) and you think it's funny. If I removed the stats, now how bad boy are you now? Pfttt, that’s what I thought!



The funny thing is that with an hour or two of herbing you buy crafted PvP gear that, while nothing amazing, is enough to make you competitive in a battleground. There's not much of an excuse for running around without resilience.

Besides, it's great fun when you take down someone better geared then you. Smiley: wink

Edited, Jun 17th 2011 10:43am by someproteinguy
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#73 Jun 17 2011 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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Jordster wrote:
And by the way, you would have to be retarded to think resilience in PvP is a bad thing. Anyone who played Vanilla and didn't raid can join me in that statement.


My issue with resilience is that it removes skill from the equation unless both are wearing equal amounts. I consider myself fairly good at Feral PvP, but any scrub in blue resilience gear could walk up and two-shot me, and I'd be unable to do anything about it. PvP spec? Skill? Doesn't matter if you're not wearing resilience gear.

I'm sure it's awesome and all when you're decked in it and are two-shotting people without resilience gear, but hey... two-shotting Mages back in Vanilla was awesome as well. And at least then there was a chance they'd return the favor.

Also, in before 'well, you're retarded'.
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#74 Jun 17 2011 at 1:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Armory for some random druid in 365 PvP gear has almost 4k Resil, which is about 40% damage reduction. Full crafted PvP gear plus a couple accessories will get you to over 2500 resilience. That's the difference between taking 12k damage and 15k damage from a 20k base hit. It's noticeable, but it certainly doesn't take all the skill out of it.
#75REDACTED, Posted: Jun 17 2011 at 3:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You really don't want me to post the image I have in mind for you...I was suppose to be on your ignore list anyway, remembered when I hurt your feelings?
#76 Jun 17 2011 at 4:30 PM Rating: Decent
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RAWDEAL wrote:
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I think that, in the end, Raw, this image is about you.
http://arch.413chan.net/NOT-SURE-IF-TROLL-OR-JUST-VERY-STUPID-(n1299498207760).jpg
You really don't want me to post the image I have in mind for you...I was suppose to be on your ignore list anyway, remembered when I hurt your feelings?

Oh, you still are. Every post of yours are sub-defaulted for me. I'm just bored.
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