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#27 Jun 17 2011 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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However, it seems an ever popular trend to go out of your way to be offensive these days when in randoms. So many people act like they are the experts about everything in the game
Za, I’m the tank and nobody can/want to cc. I have all mobs beating on me and I kept agro, dps is low so it's dragging the fight. Here are the comments from 2 DPS after the pull.

DPS1: Why the Tank takes so much damage?
DPS2: squishy

I left the group...
#28 Jun 17 2011 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Raw, was that around the bear boss by chance?
#29 Jun 17 2011 at 6:31 PM Rating: Default
Yep and axe trower pushing me around

Edited, Jun 17th 2011 8:33pm by RAWDEAL
#30 Jun 17 2011 at 8:42 PM Rating: Default
Well it's nothing a little reality check can fix.

A DPS in the group being a douche hunter? Oops seems they just pulled aggro with misdirect!

Tank being a total *** hat healers? Go afk 40 yards out of combat after the pull.

Healers and DPS harping on you tanks? Let them tank the boss, you got epic bandages for healing!

That's my philosophy to dealing with unsophisticated people.
#31 Jun 17 2011 at 8:55 PM Rating: Good
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Well it's nothing a little reality check can fix.

A DPS in the group being a douche hunter? Oops seems they just pulled aggro with misdirect!

Tank being a total *** hat healers? Go afk 40 yards out of combat after the pull.

Healers and DPS harping on you tanks? Let them tank the boss, you got epic bandages for healing!

That's my philosophy to dealing with unsophisticated people.


Explain to me where this makes you better than them? I think the idea that "if they are jerks I can be a jerk to" is part of what keeps the problem going.

Edited, Jun 17th 2011 10:55pm by CaptinXeith
#32 Jun 17 2011 at 9:10 PM Rating: Default
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Explain to me where this makes you better than them? I think the idea that "if they are jerks I can be a jerk to" is part of what keeps the problem going.


Well a lot of these people need a reality check. In my defense my jerky behavior is I guess best defined as karma. This usually happens because I can't kick them.

In a situation today after 2 tanks bailing on my ZG group a 3rd came and was a complete jerk to the hunter cause he got killed from the panther boss's knockback. Claiming he pulled the aggro from him off the panther adds. Well the tank insists we were both noobs. So he just decides to sit on the boss while the rest of us continue on. Luckily a warrior dps in the group had a tank spec and gear. It took us 30 min to kick him because of the timer. (Note none of us kicked anyone prior to this, I had a 2hr timer and others had 30 minutes. That was also my first dungeon run of the day too.)

Not saying I'm a saint and devoid of being an *** myself. But I feel that some people deserve it, especially if they bash someone for bad luck, or a simple mistake.
#33 Jun 17 2011 at 9:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Something like this? Smiley: wink
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#34 Jun 17 2011 at 10:04 PM Rating: Good
Dorojin wrote:
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Explain to me where this makes you better than them? I think the idea that "if they are jerks I can be a jerk to" is part of what keeps the problem going.


Well a lot of these people need a reality check. In my defense my jerky behavior is I guess best defined as karma. This usually happens because I can't kick them.


KARMA DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!
#35 Jun 17 2011 at 10:47 PM Rating: Default
Karma works like this (correct me if I am wrong don't exactly study the religion this is from.)

Karma is the mythical/divine force that rewards people based on the way they act.

If I am a kind and caring person I am rewarded with good things, if I am bad I get punished in the end by something unfortunate or horrible.

Now that we have the basic understanding, lets look at a scenario.

Tank decides he is going to verbally abuse someone over a game because of a mistake, or the player not living up to his standards or level of play he desires. "ZOMG DPS YOU SUCK! PICK IT UP! I AM SO ELITE!" yada yada. He continues to go on and on about this, and even goes so far as to insult their mother. (When doesn't this happen?)

Anywho, this guy is being a total jerk the old healer leaves. I come into the group as heals and see his bad behavior first hand. Well I decide to teach him the art of respecting your group by letting him die by not healing him. He dies, and the fight continues without a tank to either us wiping or pulling through, (Have pulled people through a pull without a tank before, not an incredibly easy task.) and tank drops group.

Now it's all based on circumstance how karma works, it doesn't say work in the way it does in cartoons or what have you. It doesn't happen how you expect. Just because the tank in this scenario is a total jerk doesn't mean he isn't going to get the drop he wants off the boss, or he'll get his account hacked. It could be someone comes in to teach him a lesson, or **** him off and make him rage quit.

Now I'm not going to argue all night about karma, or by me being an *** is the right way to handle another @#%^ ( 9/10 it isn't the right way to begin with I know this.) but this is how I handle things. Am I always like this? No certainly not, I try to help as much as I can. But, I hope this clears up my reasoning behind my actions while I play WoW and see a jerk, I handle it the way I want to handle it. Call it poetic justice, or karma, divine retribution whatever..you'll always have <insert swear word here>, you'll have trolls, you'll have a jerk in the group. Just deal with it appropriately. In a game I can get away with:

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A DPS in the group being a douche hunter? Oops seems they just pulled aggro with misdirect!

Tank being a total *** hat healers? Go afk 40 yards out of combat after the pull.

Healers and DPS harping on you tanks? Let them tank the boss, you got epic bandages for healing!


and have no worries about what happens. But I believe this thread got a little off topic. It was the OP who told his stories of jerks he's dealt with in a group and how he acts when he runs dungeons with pugs. Now you all may return to your regularly scheduled thread topic! ^_^ I would formally like to say I drop this rant and debate here and now regardless of whatever reply or response I get to this post.

Edited, Jun 18th 2011 7:01am by Dorojin

Edited, Jun 18th 2011 7:02am by Dorojin

Edited, Jun 18th 2011 7:03am by Dorojin
#36 Jun 17 2011 at 11:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Karma is about getting back from the universe what you put out into it. Deciding that you are the one to deliver swift karma justice isn't how it works.

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(correct me if I am wrong don't exactly study the religion this is from.)

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I would formally like to say I drop this rant and debate here and now regardless of whatever reply or response I get to this post.


A little contradicting you think?
#37 Jun 18 2011 at 12:14 AM Rating: Good
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CaptinXeith wrote:
Karma is about getting back from the universe what you put out into it. Deciding that you are the one to deliver swift karma justice isn't how it works.
This.

Dorojin wrote:
Well a lot of these people need a reality check. In my defense my jerky behavior is I guess best defined as karma. This usually happens because I can't kick them.
No, that would not be karma. That would be retaliatory petty behavior. It's a self enforcing cycle.
#38 Jun 18 2011 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
No, I just wanted to get it all off my chest, I don't want to keep arguing and debating. After a bit of research I can see what I said was wrong about karma. In any case I won't say we are all devoid of wanting to teach people lessons. Mine apparently result in childish behavior I guess. Sure I can be a jerk to get back at a jerk, but in the end I maybe **** him off for maybe 5-10 minutes and he vents to his guild or buddies, feels better and goes back to what he's doing. Do I feel better to? Usually I get a laugh out of it, and a fun story to talk to my guild about. But in the end a cycle will continue either way, we all can't get along with everybody, and we all can't agree with everybody.

And I am probably contradicting myself yet again by continuing this, but I feel I should at least admit to being wrong. Not afraid to do it at all. Hell we all learn something new every day and I have me a southern edumacation so you can see where I may have preconceived notions of how karma can work. Still we can't say we all know how karma will get anyone back or reward them in the end. Oh well, c'est la vie.
#39 Jun 18 2011 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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#40 Jun 18 2011 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
We all have jerk moments. I had one back in Wrath where a guy wanted to leave but avoid a deserter debuff so he tried to make us kick him. Drove everyone else away but me, I just left the instance while staying in the group (he had done the same thing) and got back to mining Wintergrasp. For a couple of hours he sat there in Org yelling at me to boot him, while I made a few thousand gold.

I was a jerk back to his jerkiness, but I don't pretend it was something noble. It felt good though, and I doubt anyone would get mad at me since I was only inconveniencing him and myself (though I was planing to mine Wintergrasp anyway).
#41 Jun 18 2011 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
What's really funny about that selebrin, is that after the other three people had left, he wouldn't have gotten the deserter debuff anyways. So you didn't do anything wrong, he was just an idiot.
#42 Jun 18 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rumor has it I'm selective with my healing. Jerky people have been known to go horizontal once they've outlived their usefulness. Funny thing is I never really retaliate against people who are being rude to me, it's usually just people who are being rude to my guildies.

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What's really funny about that selebrin, is that after the other three people had left, he wouldn't have gotten the deserter debuff anyways. So you didn't do anything wrong, he was just an idiot.


Smiley: lol

And that he stayed in a group for over an hour to avoid a 15 minute debuff. Smiley: disappointed
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