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#1 May 31 2011 at 10:32 PM Rating: Sub-Default
After conducting research using both surveys and interviews, it was found that nearly 90% of the WoW community uses at least one AddOn. Also, although there is a definite correlation between the length of time one has played WoW and one's usage of AddOns, it appears that there are still exceptions to this. One player with several high leveled characters (including one lvl 85) responded with, "I don't do that because I find the game simple enough already, and easy enough to use already, I have no thoughts of my own of what would make it better" when asked about what reasons they have to abstain from the use of AddOns.

Please leave your opinions on the findings of this study.
#2 May 31 2011 at 10:33 PM Rating: Good
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Unfunny parody thread?
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#3 May 31 2011 at 10:49 PM Rating: Good
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You do know that Blizzard includes their own addons right? You can't play without addons.
#4 May 31 2011 at 11:00 PM Rating: Good
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Fail troll is fail.

Another sub-d added to the list most likely.
#5REDACTED, Posted: May 31 2011 at 11:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm pretty sure it was clear that I'm referring to Third-Party AddOns for which "There is no official support."
#6 May 31 2011 at 11:28 PM Rating: Good
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Mental, the bad news is that they probably aren't trolls. An instructor at University of Denver has apparently decided to have us help his students learn to write by flooding the forum with surveys, stealth surveys ("no, really, this isn't a survey, just talk about this point") and now their reports.

I'm really hoping the admins will learn from this experience and disapprove all future class assignments of this magnitude. It is bad enough to get the regular rounds of surveys, but to be the target of an assignment for an entire class of writing students is over the top and holds little potential for the 'research' to be anything other than an annoyance.

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I'd appreciate some USEFUL opinions if there's any out there.


Here's one for you: sod off and die. If you haven't noticed, we're deluged with half-witted students from University of Denver doing craptastic pseudo-science. Save money, skip to the point and learn to ask "would you like fries with that"?
#7REDACTED, Posted: May 31 2011 at 11:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Firstly, thanks for clarifying the whole instructor-giving-us-this-rather-unpleasant-assignment-with-some-of-the-most-cynical-people-on-the-planet issue. And yes, I in fact DID NOTICE that everyone is fed up w the half-assed attempts at research this "looks good on paper" class has created. Now please, if you have no real opinion on the matter, please get off my thread.
#8 May 31 2011 at 11:58 PM Rating: Good
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Rhodekylle wrote:
An instructor at University of Denver has apparently decided to have us help his students learn to write by flooding the forum with surveys, stealth surveys ("no, really, this isn't a survey, just talk about this point") and now their reports.
With the quality of research (conducting, recording, and reporting), I'd have gone with high school at best.
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#9 Jun 01 2011 at 12:01 AM Rating: Excellent
WoWFace wrote:
Now please, if you have no real opinion on the matter, please get off my thread.


Oh no he DIDN'T! Smiley: lol
#10REDACTED, Posted: Jun 01 2011 at 12:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you'd like to know, yes pretty much 95% of the class is filled with Undergrads who are probably going to drop at some point because they cannot do anything beyond the level of a high schooler.
#11 Jun 01 2011 at 12:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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WoWFace wrote:
Now please, if you have no real opinion on the matter, please get off my thread.



Now please, if you have no real research and you're only hoping get a passing grade with the latest trend of 13th grade assignments, please get off our forums.
#12 Jun 01 2011 at 12:22 AM Rating: Good
What is the class on? Looking over what we've got so far there are people presenting the conclusion without any data, cherry-picking one response and implying it to be indicative of the whole, the one guy who gave his numbers puts his opinions right alongside the data turning everything into a confusing mess. These are the kinds of things I would expect to see from the start of a class before the teacher shows them how to do it properly, but unless it's a summer schedule the timeline suggests these are final projects. If that's the case then I must conclude that either the people posting them here don't care or the teacher has done a poor job teaching. Or both.

I never thought I'd become jealous of the time I spent grading Physics for non-majors (aka Physics for Poets). While I couldn't yell at the students I could at least make comments that I knew half of them would read and 25% of them would try to fix.
#13REDACTED, Posted: Jun 01 2011 at 12:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sorry to inform you, but my "passing grade" was determined some time ago, im sorry that after i had to go through this crappy assignment that i felt at least the people who may have taken part in the study might have cared how their information was being used
#14 Jun 01 2011 at 12:23 AM Rating: Default
WoWFace wrote:
MentalFrog wrote:
WoWFace wrote:
Now please, if you have no real opinion on the matter, please get off my thread.



Now please, if you have no real research and you're only hoping get a passing grade with the latest trend of 13th grade assignments, please get off our forums.


Sorry to inform you, but my "passing grade" was determined some time ago, im sorry that after i had to go through this crappy assignment that i felt at least the people who may have taken part in the study might have cared how their information was being used


in other words, IM SORRY
#15 Jun 01 2011 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
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WoWFace wrote:
Now please, if you have no real opinion on the matter, please get off my thread.
Hi.

Rhodekylle wrote:
Mental, the bad news is that they probably aren't trolls. An instructor at University of Denver has apparently decided to have us help his students learn to write by flooding the forum with surveys, stealth surveys ("no, really, this isn't a survey, just talk about this point") and now their reports.

I'm really hoping the admins will learn from this experience and disapprove all future class assignments of this magnitude. It is bad enough to get the regular rounds of surveys, but to be the target of an assignment for an entire class of writing students is over the top and holds little potential for the 'research' to be anything other than an annoyance.
I knew this was going to happen when the first one mentioned and confirmed that he actually was in a WoW themed class. I was hoping I was wrong, but it seems that it was only wishful thinking to hope for that.
#16 Jun 01 2011 at 12:45 AM Rating: Good
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I use add-ons, I keep em in my underwear drawer.....oh wait, you mean WoW add-ons!

I'll bite:

As primarily a healer now-a-days, I couldn't heal near as good as I can now without a heal add-on; currently I prefer healbot, but have used others. I couldn't heal without one to be honest. I'd rather play whack-a-mole and be able to see everything else than try to use what Blizzard has given us.

I use DBM cos, Hell, I don't know, everyone else uses it I think? And while healing, it's nice to hear something to tell me to move from the blue fire. I'm kind of brain dead like that.

Bagon is the single greatest addon of all time. Cos WoW's bag system sucks. Without it, I'm simply lost. After 4.1 dropped and bagon broke for the first time in years, I couldn't play. Just wasn't the same. It's my WoW heroin. I'm an addict!

Other than that, I use Healbot for my aggro meter and for DPS toons; to simply click for tank assist, misdriection, etc., etc. It comes in pretty handy.

If only 90% of players use add-ons, then there's 10% of players that are, I don't know, crazy for a lack of better words.

This probably doesn't help, but eh, bored and it's 1am. Not getting my bagon fix!

Edited, Jun 1st 2011 1:46am by Seculartwo
#17 Jun 01 2011 at 12:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Rhodekylle wrote:
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I'd appreciate some USEFUL opinions if there's any out there.

Here's one for you: sod off and die. If you haven't noticed, we're deluged with half-witted students from University of Denver doing craptastic pseudo-science. Save money, skip to the point and learn to ask "would you like fries with that"?


That's not very friendly, is it? As far as most of the surveys go on here, this one (sorry, this discussion) is a lot less taxing than most and could prove to be an interesting subject. God knows, this forum is dying so does it matter that a discussion about addons is started by a university student? I think not.

Personally, I feel that third-party addons are a must. For one thing they tell Blizzard what people think is wrong with the standard interface and sometimes Blizzard reacts accordingly. Just look the addons that have been incorporated into the standard user interface - floating text and quest tracker are a couple that spring to mind. I bet the WoW raid/group frames have also been influenced by addons like Grid.

Then you've got things like Auctioneer, Deadly Boss Mods and Omen - all of which are necessary (to my mind) if you're going to take the game seriously. Auctioneer for maximising gains on the Auction House, DBM and Omen for end-game raiding. Actually a lot of Omen's functionality has been incorporated into the game because Blizzard recognised how useful it was.
#18 Jun 01 2011 at 1:06 AM Rating: Good
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WoWFace wrote:
WoWFace wrote:
MentalFrog wrote:
WoWFace wrote:
Now please, if you have no real opinion on the matter, please get off my thread.



Now please, if you have no real research and you're only hoping get a passing grade with the latest trend of 13th grade assignments, please get off our forums.


Sorry to inform you, but my "passing grade" was determined some time ago, im sorry that after i had to go through this crappy assignment that i felt at least the people who may have taken part in the study might have cared how their information was being used


in other words, IM SORRY


You don't say you're sorry by justifying your actions.
#19REDACTED, Posted: Jun 01 2011 at 1:41 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) haha that actually might have been useful before when i was still "conducting research"... now its just information thats good to know
#20REDACTED, Posted: Jun 01 2011 at 1:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) they were ironic sorry's nimrod, im tired of fighting with you so ill let you be... hope we see each other in the game sometime
#21 Jun 01 2011 at 5:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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So, what I have learned, is that the University of Denver has EXTREMELY low entrance qualifications. From the looks of it, they may not even require an exam or the ability to speak English.
#22 Jun 01 2011 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
Well it is a state school. =x That's not me being elitist either, because I go to a state school as well. But I've encountered quite a few people who seem borderline brain dead. And UO requires a 3.0 high school GPA. Or at least it did when I applied 9 years ago.
#23 Jun 01 2011 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I mean, I know state schools aren't the BEST (Though NMSU is highly regarded as one of, if not THE best, ag colleges in the world), but DAMN do the standards seem low here.
#24 Jun 01 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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(Though NMSU is highly regarded as one of, if not THE best, ag colleges in the world)
One of my friends was in the Ag program here. She said that they had cows with holes in the side of em.
#25 Jun 01 2011 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, you can 'watch' them eat. Sorta neat.
#26 Jun 01 2011 at 1:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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WoWFace wrote:
MentalFrog wrote:
You do know that Blizzard includes their own addons right? You can't play without addons.

I'm pretty sure it was clear that I'm referring to Third-Party AddOns for which "There is no official support."

Though the cascade of abuse is fun and all that, a nuance jumped out at me here.

When you say "no official support", if what you mean is that third-party addons are not productized by Blizzard, and Blizzard takes zero responsibility for maintaining compatibility as they update the core game, that much is true. However, for the class of true addons - DBM, Bartender, Auctioneer - Blizzard provides a publicly published interface (LUA). And further, Blizzard explicitly states that any and all addons that use LUA are allowed. And the interface itself is evolved and changed - by Blizzard - over time.

So in a very real sense, Blizzard does provide official support for well-behaved addons. We aren't talking about shims and I-Win buttons, as those are not only bannable ToS violations, Blizzard spends great effort to hunt down and destroy non-LUA code that tries to interface with the game.

It's brilliant, IMO. Basically, not only did they outsource their UI design to unpaid labor, in addition because addon distribution is decentralized and every user chooses their own, both market forces and Darwinian forces apply fully to competition between developers. And Blizzard gets to cherry-pick among the survivors for integration into the base UI at a later date.
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