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#1 May 26 2011 at 5:15 AM Rating: Excellent
That's right. It's bad enough that gold sellers hack our accounts, infiltrate our pc's, scam us in game, wreck the economy, then charge us to buy the gold they have stolen. They also beat prisoners, who are forced to work 12 hour shifts farming gold. Of course, that's after their day job breaking rocks.

I'm not a fan of prisoners, but I'm also not inclined to support corrupt prison bosses who are getting rich off of them. If anybody honestly doesn't have a better way to make gold than buy it, please ask. There are plenty of good suggestions on the forum, and fun ways to make it.

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Most gamers are familiar with the practice of 'gold farming' - building up game credits in multiplayer games that are then sold on to other players.

But according to the UK's Guardian newspaper, the Chinese government has noticed this happening too - and realised that it could be a great deal more lucrative than sentencing criminals to hard labor.

The paper cites Liu Dali, who says he was forced to break rocks all day and play online games at night.

"Prison bosses made more money forcing inmates to play games than they do forcing people to do manual labour," Liu told the paper. "There were 300 prisoners forced to play games. We worked 12-hour shifts in the camp. I heard them say they could earn 5,000-6,000rmb [$765-$928] a day. We didn't see any of the money. The computers were never turned off."

He said that if players failed to earn enough credits, they would be punished by beatings.

Gold farming's not an new issue: as far back as 2005, games developers were banning players for the practice.

Recently, two University of Michigan students were investigated by the FBI, which accused them of "potentially fraudulent sales or purchases of virtual currency that people use to advance in the popular online role-playing game World of Warcraft".

But it seems the practice has now become big business for the Chinese government, with the China Internet Center estimating that nearly $2 billion worth of online credits were traded in the country in 2008.

One wonders how many players would be happy to buy credits if they knew how they were being generated.


#2 May 26 2011 at 6:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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The beatings will continue until morale improves!
#3 May 26 2011 at 6:28 AM Rating: Good
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Is it possible for blizzard to ban chinese IPs from accessing US servers? In theory, that would reduce the gold business a bit. Of course blizz would lose that subscription money, so they may not want too.
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#4 May 26 2011 at 6:33 AM Rating: Good
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Ailitardif wrote:
Is it possible for blizzard to ban chinese IPs from accessing US servers? In theory, that would reduce the gold business a bit. Of course blizz would lose that subscription money, so they may not want too.


Yeah, but doesn't China have its own servers?

Heh, the Government bans lots of things from the normal WoW game for the general public, but it is suddenly A-OK if they're making prisoners play it for money... *rolls eyes* "OMG you can't show skeletons and skulls in Wrath! Edit them out!" for the general public, but it is suddenly OK for prisoners to do it to make the government money.

Since the general public is not permitted to play on NA/Oceanic servers anyways, I think Blizz should indeed ban all Chinese IPs from NA/Oceanic servers, since China has its own WoW server system published by another company anyways.

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Wait, was that China, or was that Taiwan, that had to edit out a bunch of crap to get Wrath released over there?

Edited, May 26th 2011 8:33am by Lyrailis
#5 May 26 2011 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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It is China for sure...maybe Taiwan too though. It is nice that the government bans the gen pop from playing on us/eu, but it is ok for prisoners.

That country needs a revolution.
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#6 May 26 2011 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
I just read this article this morning and all I can say is wow. We all know that the Chinese have no respect for western rules or copyrights, but forcing digital labor that is a new low. Also, think about all the accounts that get hacked just by giving their info to gold sellers. I wonder how much revenue is coming in from that side of it?
#7 May 26 2011 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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Haha, a guildie just emailed me this story this morning. Though hell I'd probably rather play wow while in prison than do manual labor or get abused by some big beefy dude.
#8 May 26 2011 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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The beatings will continue until morale improves!

The moralities will continue until the beatings improve.
#9 May 26 2011 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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Hyolith wrote:
Haha, a guildie just emailed me this story this morning. Though hell I'd probably rather play wow while in prison than do manual labor or get abused by some big beefy dude.


Unfortunately they don't get to play for fun. Also they have to do manual labor in addition to the gold farming.
#10 May 26 2011 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Unfortunately they don't get to play for fun. Also they have to do manual labor in addition to the gold farming.
Pretty sure they're not in jail to have fun.
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#11REDACTED, Posted: May 26 2011 at 10:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Eh, I dont see why Blizzard should ban them. They are not doing anything against the ToS.
#12 May 26 2011 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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Brisin wrote:
Eh, I dont see why Blizzard should ban them. They are not doing anything against the ToS.
And, although there are better ways to make your prisioner work worth, this is as legit as making them work in a road or something. In the end, it's just the government saving money.


Selling in game currency for out of game currency is against ToS. While the prisoners themselves aren't doing anything against ToS they are aiding in something that is not allowed. So that is reason enough for a ban.
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Hyolith wrote:
Brisin wrote:
Eh, I dont see why Blizzard should ban them. They are not doing anything against the ToS.
And, although there are better ways to make your prisioner work worth, this is as legit as making them work in a road or something. In the end, it's just the government saving money.


Selling in game currency for out of game currency is against ToS. While the prisoners themselves aren't doing anything against ToS they are aiding in something that is not allowed. So that is reason enough for a ban.



Somehow, I also would imagine that the WoW accounts do not actually belong to the prisoners?

There has to be something in that that is against the ToS.
#14 May 26 2011 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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Hyolith wrote:
Brisin wrote:
Eh, I dont see why Blizzard should ban them. They are not doing anything against the ToS.
And, although there are better ways to make your prisioner work worth, this is as legit as making them work in a road or something. In the end, it's just the government saving money.


Selling in game currency for out of game currency is against ToS. While the prisoners themselves aren't doing anything against ToS they are aiding in something that is not allowed. So that is reason enough for a ban.



Somehow, I also would imagine that the WoW accounts do not actually belong to the prisoners?

There has to be something in that that is against the ToS.

The warden could just legally adopt the prisoners...problem solved.
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#15 May 26 2011 at 12:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Are those prisons owned by the Chinese government or private companies?

"Blizzard sues China" would make one hell of a headline.
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#16 May 26 2011 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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Mazra wrote:
Are those prisons owned by the Chinese government or private companies?

"Blizzard sues China" would make one hell of a headline.


Sadly I could see that happening. I could also see the news try to spin it as mmo's force prisoners to do certain tasks for 12 hours a day. /rolleyes
#17 May 26 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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Criminy wrote:
Mazra wrote:
Are those prisons owned by the Chinese government or private companies?

"Blizzard sues China" would make one hell of a headline.


Sadly I could see that happening. I could also see the news try to spin it as mmo's force prisoners to do certain tasks for 12 hours a day. /rolleyes

And then dying because they did not stop to drink or go to the bathroom for 3 days straight?
It has "the sun" written all over it.
#18 May 26 2011 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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capcanuk wrote:
Hyolith wrote:
Brisin wrote:
Eh, I dont see why Blizzard should ban them. They are not doing anything against the ToS.
And, although there are better ways to make your prisioner work worth, this is as legit as making them work in a road or something. In the end, it's just the government saving money.


Selling in game currency for out of game currency is against ToS. While the prisoners themselves aren't doing anything against ToS they are aiding in something that is not allowed. So that is reason enough for a ban.



Somehow, I also would imagine that the WoW accounts do not actually belong to the prisoners?

There has to be something in that that is against the ToS.


You're talking about a different legal system in China. Blizzard may allow China to do what it wants with its user base e.g., time limits.
#19 May 26 2011 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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Brisin wrote:
Criminy wrote:
Mazra wrote:
Are those prisons owned by the Chinese government or private companies?

"Blizzard sues China" would make one hell of a headline.


Sadly I could see that happening. I could also see the news try to spin it as mmo's force prisoners to do certain tasks for 12 hours a day. /rolleyes

And then dying because they did not stop to drink or go to the bathroom for 3 days straight?
It has "the sun" written all over it.


Well there would be bathroom breaks. :P Not to mention Fox* would eat it up real fast.

*I hesitate to call them a news station for obvious reasons.

Edit: Clarification.

Edited, May 26th 2011 4:35pm by Criminy
#20 May 26 2011 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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Criminy wrote:
Brisin wrote:
Criminy wrote:
Mazra wrote:
Are those prisons owned by the Chinese government or private companies?

"Blizzard sues China" would make one hell of a headline.


Sadly I could see that happening. I could also see the news try to spin it as mmo's force prisoners to do certain tasks for 12 hours a day. /rolleyes

And then dying because they did not stop to drink or go to the bathroom for 3 days straight?
It has "the sun" written all over it.


Well there would be bathroom breaks. :P Not to mention Fox* would eat it up real fast.

*I hesitate to call them a news station for obvious reasons.

Edit: Clarification.

Why? Just because you don't like the news they report, doesn't make them any less of a news station.
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#21 May 26 2011 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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Faux News?
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#22 May 26 2011 at 3:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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This sums up the average "news" Fox covers. I feel as though a news organization should be providing an independent view on subjects not a biased one. It is for that reason, and that reason alone, that I dislike Fox news.

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20110523

Hehe I considered calling them that Mazra, but I decided against it. :P
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This sums up the average "news" Fox covers. I feel as though a news organization should be providing an independent view on subjects not a biased one. It is for that reason, and that reason alone, that I dislike Fox news.

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20110523

Hehe I considered calling them that Mazra, but I decided against it. :P

Good luck with that, as all broadcast news puts their own biased view on subjects.
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#24 May 26 2011 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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If a news corporation is seen as slanted or biased by a person, it's the person's fault, not the news corporation.
I log on the foxnews and cnn websites a couple times a day, read the headlines. If there's a headline that looks interesting (See: 17 lost pyramids found in space), I read the words in the article.
If you just read the words and siphon out the facts, and ignore the comments at the bottom, both 'major' news websites have an equal share of interesting and in depth stories.
Now, MSNBC never has the up to date news, and NEVER has interesting stuff that isn't about the pop world, so I avoid them.

Watching the news on TV is for people too incompetent to use a computer to do it, IMO.
#25 May 26 2011 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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If a news corporation is seen as slanted or biased by a person, it's the person's fault, not the news corporation.
I log on the foxnews and cnn websites a couple times a day, read the headlines. If there's a headline that looks interesting (See: 17 lost pyramids found in space), I read the words in the article.
If you just read the words and siphon out the facts, and ignore the comments at the bottom, both 'major' news websites have an equal share of interesting and in depth stories.
Now, MSNBC never has the up to date news, and NEVER has interesting stuff that isn't about the pop world, so I avoid them.

Watching the news on TV is for people too incompetent to use a computer to do it, IMO.

That's kind of what I'm saying. If you don't see the bias, it's because it aligns with your own bias.
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#26 May 26 2011 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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Criminy wrote:
This sums up the average "news" Fox covers. I feel as though a news organization should be providing an independent view on subjects not a biased one. It is for that reason, and that reason alone, that I dislike Fox news.

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20110523

Hehe I considered calling them that Mazra, but I decided against it. :P

Good luck with that, as all broadcast news puts their own biased view on subjects.


While that is true, Fox takes it to extreme proportions. They right out lie about stuff. I've seen a few times where a Republican politician is having some sort of sex scandal, and when they report on it they put a D next to his name instead of an R. That's just one example.
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