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as if halfus wyrmbreaker wasnt already easy enoughFollow

#1 May 24 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Sub-Default
they had to nerf it

"Halfus
Health, melee damage, Fireball/Fireball Barrage damage, Furious Roar damage, Scorching Breath damage, Shadow Nova damage, has all been reduced by 20%.
Nether Scion, Slate Dragon, Storm Rider, Time Warden, and Orphaned Emerald Whelp health has been reduced by 20%.
Shadow Nova base cast time has been increased."


although this is 4.2 so im sure any guild that isnt fail will be working on firelands anyway

Edited, May 24th 2011 1:26pm by CrunkJuice7
#2 May 24 2011 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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although this is 4.2 so im sure any guild that isnt fail will be working on firelands anyway


That's the whole point, "old content is old." They aren't nerfing is as much as allowing more casual guilds/raiders to see content before it becomes completely out dated. It will also allow those people to get gear and be able to try firelands if they so desire.
#3 May 24 2011 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't disagree with the cast time increase, as long as it's less than 50%. Say base .3 seconds instead of .25, which gives 1.5 seconds to interrupt instead of 1.25.

The drake health nerf would be good for mediocre guilds like mine when you get a really bad drake combo.

Both of those are reasonable mechanics changes that smooth out RNG in one of the most variable fights they've made so far.
#4REDACTED, Posted: May 24 2011 at 11:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) except that gear doesnt equal skill.if you cant down current content without nerfs(especially a fight like halfus.which is pretty easy already),how do you expect to down anything in firelands without nerfs in firelands
#5 May 24 2011 at 12:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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It will also allow those people to get gear and be able to try firelands if they so desire.


except that gear doesnt equal skill.if you cant down current content without nerfs(especially a fight like halfus.which is pretty easy already),how do you expect to down anything in firelands without nerfs in firelands

not everything can be solved with getting better gear





Edited, May 24th 2011 1:37pm by CrunkJuice7


You are missing the point all together. It is for people who struggle with current raids to allow them to see the content. Will it make a lot of the encounters easier? Heck yes. Does it have any impact for guilds that can already clear it? Heck no. Does it affect you if less skilled players can look at old content? You are delusional if you think so.
#6 May 24 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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There are nerfs for just about all the current raid bosses on the way in 4.1, not just Halfus.
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except that gear doesnt equal skill.if you cant down current content without nerfs(especially a fight like halfus.which is pretty easy already),how do you expect to down anything in firelands without nerfs in firelands

not everything can be solved with getting better gear


But mistakes become more forgiving in better gear. More health, damage mitigation,mana and all that can make small mistakes more forgiving. Big mistakes will still kill you, but being able to survive one or two more of the smaller ones might just be all some guilds need to make it.
#7 May 24 2011 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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CrunkJuice7 wrote:

except that gear doesnt equal skill.if you cant down current content without nerfs(especially a fight like halfus.which is pretty easy already),how do you expect to down anything in firelands without nerfs in firelands

not everything can be solved with getting better gear


I didn't really notice how much of a grammatical cluster **** this post was until I copied it over... **** man. You are to put two spaces after a period. When starting a new statement, using a proper noun (A named person, place, or specific thing), or using "I" to refer to yourself, capitalise the first letter that pops up (or the "I").
ALWAYS end a statement with ellipsis or a period. If the statement just needs a divider you can use a semi-colon with a line break.
Now, no ones' grammar is perfect, especially not mine, but at least TRY to make a coherent post, at least ONCE, please.


OK! Now, to the point I was going to make before I saw that illiterate affront to my senses:
Some people are very good at the game, or at least decently skilled. These people MAY have a situation outside of their level of skill, which is causing them difficulties in regards to raiding current tier content.
Let's take good ol' Jaysgsl for example. I am a very decent raider. When I manage to pug content, or in heroics, if I'm dealing damage, I'm usually near the top of the damage chart, almost always at the top of the DPS chart, and always at the bottom of the damage taken chart. I always interrupt, and dispel when I can.
When I heal, no one dies in normal situations, my mana bar is rarely empty, and I mana up quickly between pulls in the rare event I need to.
When I tank, threat is on me on every pull, the healer never dies, and DPS rarely die.
I don't sit in fire, I quickly grasp mechanics, and when told to do something different (with good reason) I listen.

Now, I'm in a guild with my fiance, our kids, and my brother. I really have no desire to leave my family guild, but that cuts me off of anything but pug raids.
With these changes, pug raids for 4.0 content will be MUCH more common, considering people will be able to gear for them more easily, and just because they won't be 'cutting edge progression' so guilds will be more likely to take on a 'guest' if they're short a man or two.

Are you, CrunkJuice, telling ME that I don't deserve to raid, based on the fact that I couldn't raid 'til the raids were nerfed and easier to gear for?
#8 May 24 2011 at 2:38 PM Rating: Excellent
This is the normal cycle of old content becoming easier as new content comes out. It will let casual guilds like mine have more to do as the progressive guilds move on to Firelands. It helps more players stay interested in playing. That's not such a bad thing, rather than having them miss most of the current raid content or quit until the next expansion.
#9 May 24 2011 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
Actually Jay, according to MLA standards, you're only supposed to put one space in between a period and the start of a new sentence. Otherwise you're correct. Smiley: schooled
#10 May 24 2011 at 2:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Honorable dadanox wrote:
This is the normal cycle of old content becoming easier as new content comes out. It will let casual guilds like mine have more to do as the progressive guilds move on to Firelands. It helps more players stay interested in playing. That's not such a bad thing, rather than having them miss most of the current raid content or quit until the next expansion.


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#11 May 24 2011 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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Actually Jay, according to MLA standards, you're only supposed to put one space in between a period and the start of a new sentence. Otherwise you're correct. Smiley: schooled

That's f'ed up.
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#12 May 24 2011 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
Meh, it took some getting used to at first, but now it's like second nature to me. It feels weird to put two spaces in between a sentence now.
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Meh, it took some getting used to at first, but now it's like second nature to me. It feels weird to put two spaces in between a sentence now.

You youngsters with your internet driven English educations.
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#14 May 24 2011 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
lol, it's not internet driven! I have a 300+ page handbook on proper MLA format. Smiley: glare It's kind of ridiculous. At least it's easy to find what you're looking for though.
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Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
lol, it's not internet driven! I have a 300+ page handbook on proper MLA format. Smiley: glare It's kind of ridiculous. At least it's easy to find what you're looking for though.

My wife is ABD in English, she hates that rule.
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#16 May 24 2011 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
What's ABD stand for? My first thought is a bachelor's degree, but you said is not has. Smiley: tongue
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Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
What's ABD stand for? My first thought is a bachelor's degree, but you said is not has. Smiley: tongue


All but dissertation. So it looks like a stones throw from a PhD. None the less I couldn't pull something like that off in English. It would drive me up the wall trying to keep track of all the dang rules the English language has. :S
#18 May 24 2011 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, I'm having a hard enough time finishing my bachelor's degree. I doubt I have the self discipline to get a doctorate. I'm confident I have the intelligence for it, but I'm just not that ambitious. Not now at least. After 10 or 20 years of teaching public school, that might change though. Smiley: lol
#19 May 24 2011 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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I have never in my life double spaced sentences. That would be such a pain in the ***. Actually when working on my senior project with 4 other people we would all chip in on typing the report. One guy double spaced his sentences. It made the report look jacked up.
#20 May 24 2011 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
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Why would anyone double-space sentences? I mean, is that actually common anywhere?

I'm fairly certain even OpenOffice would kick your *** if you tried to do it there.

Edited, May 25th 2011 12:17am by Mazra
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#21 May 24 2011 at 4:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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My MLA handbook is a couple (10+) years old, but I was taught to put two spaces after ending punctuation. Google tells me that both a single and two spaces after a period are correct, unless a teacher/professor/instructor has their own specific guidelines.
#22 May 24 2011 at 4:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mazra wrote:
Why would anyone double-space sentences? I mean, is that actually common anywhere?

I'm fairly certain even OpenOffice would kick your *** if you tried to do it there.

Edited, May 25th 2011 12:17am by Mazra


I haven't paid that much attention two it, but Microsoft Office and Open Office seem to accept both spacing styles.
#23 May 24 2011 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I was taught to throw two spaces after periods WAY back in the dark ages, my first typing class was in the second grade in '92. Considering both styles are still acceptable, I'll continue doing it the way I do, since the period is not a comma *nods*
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AstarintheDruid wrote:
I haven't paid that much attention two it, but Microsoft Office and Open Office seem to accept both spacing styles.


Indeed they do.

Huh, that's odd. I could've sworn I used to see green underlining whenever I accidentally double-tapped space bar.
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#25 May 24 2011 at 4:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Two spaces after a period is from the space bar being measured to one en-space on most old manual typewriters. When more modern electric typewriters were made with em-spaces (about 135% the width of an en-space). On old manuals you needed more white space than the en-space allowed. After a while the practical reason became moot and it became a point of convention.

Behold the en-dash:
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and the em-dash:
— — — —

edit: I would be remiss if I didn't point out that modern computer type uses an adjusted en-space for type (it's a custom character in the type set for the entire family). Most type designers ignored the convention and didn't include both the en-space and em-space in their type sets.



As to the OP: I'm putting aside that you sound like an idiot when you torture language that way. You may be the smartest person in the room but when you don't even bother with capitalizing your sentences (which is common in your Native Tongue, so I'm told), you come off in a bad way.

Anyway, your point is irrelevant. Nerfing non-progression content opens it up to more players -- especially casual / time-stressed / clam-stacking players -- and has negligible effect on current progression content difficulty or accessibility. See Sunwell Plateau, ICC, et. al. How can making old content available to more players be a bad thing?

Edited, May 24th 2011 3:56pm by TherionSaysWhat
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