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#27 May 16 2011 at 5:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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jaysgsl wrote:
1-6 are HONESTLY not enough keybinds for you?


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Stationary = Immolate, Conflagrate, Chaos Bolt, Incinerate. = 4
Mobile = Bane of Agony, Corruption, Fel Flame, Shadowburn = 4
AoE = Shadowfury, Rain of Fire, Hellfire, Seed of Corruption = 4
Non-spell CDs = trinket1, trinket2, engineering rockets, parachute cloak, healing injector, healthstone = 6
Soul Shard use = Soulburn, Soul Harvest, Soulfire, Summon 3 different demons = 6
Fears = Fear, Howl of Terror, Death Coil = 3
Other CC = Shadowflame, Banish = 2
Health related = Life tap, Drain life = 2
Buffs = Soul Link, Nether Ward, Dark Intent, Fel Armor, Demon Armor = 5
Other = Summon Portal, Use Portal, Shadowbolt (gotta fake cast) = 3
Pet Commands = 9

That's a total of 48.

Plus there are things I haven't even put on that list (curses for example)... Smiley: mad
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#28 May 16 2011 at 5:38 PM Rating: Good
Well I really like keybinds. >.> For my basic rotation on my toons, yeah the 1-6, QERTFG stand alone and with shift are usually enough. Plus I use the three extra buttons on my mouse too. But there's other spells that I don't use as often but still need to be cast quickly in emergency situations that would be really useful to keybind.
#29 May 16 2011 at 8:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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jaysgsl wrote:
1-6 are HONESTLY not enough keybinds for you?


I don't click anything except food/drink, professions, and buffs that I cast out of combat. Everything I ever use in combat is bound to a key. Off the top of my head, for a holy priest that was something like 5-6 healing spells, 5-6 offensive spells, plus several panic/utility buttons that need to be within easy reach because in my experience, "I couldn't reach it fast enough" is right up there with "the dog ate it" on the acceptable excuses scale.

All 22 keys on my G13 were bound to something I used often. Jumping, targeting, modifiers, etc. were bound to my Naga to free up the keypad for abilities. And none of that is even counting spells I didn't cast often, like shadow spells. Those got modifiers.
#30 May 16 2011 at 11:49 PM Rating: Good
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teacake wrote:
jaysgsl wrote:
1-6 are HONESTLY not enough keybinds for you?


I don't click anything except food/drink, professions, and buffs that I cast out of combat. Everything I ever use in combat is bound to a key. Off the top of my head, for a holy priest that was something like 5-6 healing spells, 5-6 offensive spells, plus several panic/utility buttons that need to be within easy reach because in my experience, "I couldn't reach it fast enough" is right up there with "the dog ate it" on the acceptable excuses scale.

All 22 keys on my G13 were bound to something I used often. Jumping, targeting, modifiers, etc. were bound to my Naga to free up the keypad for abilities. And none of that is even counting spells I didn't cast often, like shadow spells. Those got modifiers.


I also have stuff I rarely use in combat as a clicky. Cause I wont remember the keybind.
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#31 May 17 2011 at 12:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have an n52te and I used it for a couple of years in WoW. Now that I'm thinking of returning, having been away from the game for several months, I'm going to have to dust off the mini-keyboard because muscle-memory dictates that I should still use it. In fact I can't contemplate how bad WoW will be without it.

My set-up is something like this:

WASD is on the hat (4-way thumb controller) with jump on the mini spacebar just below it;
Escape is the button above, still used to cancel commands, spells, etc.;
The three buttons running down the left side are SHIFT, CTRL and ALT, to modify the next set of keys;
The remaining nine buttons are used as 1-9 for commands I regularly use. Even with pots, food, professions, spellbook, etc. I didn't feel the need to go for 3-way combos e.g. ****+CTRL+1 but it would have been possible; and
That leaves the scroll wheel, which I find impossible to use effectively given its position. I use my mouse scroll wheel for targetting.

The only difficulty was running and jumping at the same time, so I put auto-run onto one of my mouse buttons.
#32 May 17 2011 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
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I'm a n52te user.

I have a wierd way of actually using it though. Left hand on n52te, right hand on mouse. Thumb pad is set to W S Q E and most turning is done via mouse turn. Jump is the default spacebar below thumb pad and the button above is set to TAB. Teamspeak push to talk button is set to the bottom left key on the n52te, with CTL and SFT the next buttons above. The rest of the easy to reach buttons are my keybinds.

I also have all the available mouse buttons bound to various abilities.

Running and jumping at the same time is just a case of L and R mouse buttons whilst pressing jump with my thumb on the n52te.

I know it's not an optimal setup, but it's the only way I can get out of clicking. I've been trying for years and this is the best I can get it! lol.
#33 May 17 2011 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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THB aren't very comfortable for me. T, I can probably tolerate but H and B are a stretch. I don't even like going after V. I guess I could use my thumb for V, B, and possibly N. But then what else is going to spam spacebar endlessly?
#34 May 17 2011 at 10:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Horsemouth wrote:

I also have stuff I rarely use in combat as a clicky. Cause I wont remember the keybind.


Which raises a good point...

I have something like 62 keybinds on my warlock (checked last night), but seriously, I can't remember more than a dozen or two of them. It gets worse when I change characters.
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#35 May 17 2011 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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jaysgsl wrote:
What do you do if you're tanking and you need a taunt?
Or you're healing and you know the disc priest in the raid is going to need to bubble your heal target for a damage phase?
Do you really have to move your hand all the way from another keyboard and type that way?
It just isn't clicking with me. Seems to me as if Logitec and Belkin got together and said "How can we make people buy an expensive attachment they don't need at ALL, with as little dev time as possible?"


lol.

I thought that's what Vent/TS was for, lol.

You don't really think people type in the middle of combat in any sort of raiding environment even without a Nostromo or similar device, do you?

Even being able to do 80+ WPM, typing "/r taunt please" (or even just 'taunt please' if you have it set to /r automatically) takes 3-4 seconds... that's two whole GCDs and 3-4 seconds of no movement.

That could easily mean death.

Edit: And also, you could use keybind macros for that. Set /r taunt please to a macro if you're going to be fighting in a battle where the two tanks must taunt off each other frequently, or if you're in a raid battle where you need bubble on a specific target, make a macro that says "/r bubble xxxxxx" or whatever.

Edited, May 17th 2011 1:11pm by Lyrailis
#36 May 17 2011 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Lyrailis wrote:
So awhile back I had a discussion on mouse-turning vs keyboard turning, blah blah...

I got a Naga, but I didn't really like having my fingers on WASD, it just didn't feel all that comfortable to me, so I "relapsed" into keyboard turning again for awhile.


So I don't think I even know what keyboard turning is. I thought I did, but now that you've said this I'm confused. How exactly does one keyboard turn? Thanks
#37 May 17 2011 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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Transmigration wrote:
Lyrailis wrote:
So awhile back I had a discussion on mouse-turning vs keyboard turning, blah blah...

I got a Naga, but I didn't really like having my fingers on WASD, it just didn't feel all that comfortable to me, so I "relapsed" into keyboard turning again for awhile.


So I don't think I even know what keyboard turning is. I thought I did, but now that you've said this I'm confused. How exactly does one keyboard turn? Thanks


Many people agree that using your Mouse to turn (that is, holding the RMB down and dragging the mouse to cause the character to turn) is the best way to play the game. That is called "Mouse-turning" or "Mouse-moving".

However, some people don't play that way, or I didn't either for the longest time. I used the arrow keys on my keyboard. Instead of holding the RMB down to turn my character, I simply used the Left/Right Arrows to turn the character instead.

The character will turn a bit slower, true, but it just felt more comfortable at the time. Usually the only two places that one actually runs into a problem with Keyboard turning is Raids and PvP, and I've even done Raids with Keyboard turning (making up some crafty solutions to a couple boss fights). But in PvP, keyboard turning will likely get you killed often because everyone likes to strafe+mouse turn to run circles around you constantly and keyboard turning just won't turn you fast enough to keep them in your Line of Sight.

Edit: I think most people who "mouse-turn" use the WASD keys as such:

W = Forward
S = Backward
A = STRAFE (not TURN) left
D = Strafe Right

And if you Strafe Left + Drag Mouse Right, you get this nice little circle that your character runs around a certain point (usually another player).

Edited, May 17th 2011 4:27pm by Lyrailis
#38 May 17 2011 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
People who keyboard turn use the arrow keys next to the numpad to move their screen from right to left. A lot of people (myself included) consider this to be much slower and vastly inferior to mouse turning which is dependent only on how fast you can move your mouse.

I fix the multiple keybind issues by using Bartender to show the keybinds for all my spells on my action bars. That way if I forget I can look at my bar and find it very easily.
#39 May 17 2011 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
People who keyboard turn use the arrow keys next to the numpad to move their screen from right to left. A lot of people (myself included) consider this to be much slower and vastly inferior to mouse turning which is dependent only on how fast you can move your mouse.


It is inferior in terms of sheer performance (how fast the character can turn and ease of strafing), yes.

However, keyboard turning still rules in the "keep one hand free" department, for times you're trying to eat and play WoW or do homework, etc. Mouse-Turning requires both hands be active full-time usually.

Keyboard turning will easily be good enough for solo questing, and even Heroic dungeons and easier raids. Progression Raiding and PvP, you'll run into trouble tho.
#40 May 17 2011 at 2:31 PM Rating: Good
L2 auto run and steer with your mouse. :-p
#41 May 17 2011 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
L2 auto run and steer with your mouse. :-p


Well, I dunno about anyone else, but the Mouse is usually used with your dominant hand. Since I'm right-handed, the Mouse is used with my Right Hand...

You try writing a check, or eating (or whatever else you want to do), with your off-hand and see how well you do it. Or, try reaching across the keyboard to use your mouse with your OH while your MH tries to do the aforementioned activities.
#42 May 17 2011 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
I have no problem eating with my left hand. Especially if it's pizza or something else I can pick up with one hand. I wouldn't write a check while playing WoW though, that's just silly. :-p
#43 May 17 2011 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
I have no problem eating with my left hand. Especially if it's pizza or something else I can pick up with one hand. I wouldn't write a check while playing WoW though, that's just silly. :-p


Sometimes I do.

Sometimes I get a few bills I need to send in, and of course they simply cannot have online electronic billing, so I'll be doing dailies or stuff while writing out the checks, and such. That's with copious amounts of auto-run and tapping either the arrow keys now-and-then or the keys on the left side of the keyboard.
#44 May 17 2011 at 3:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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By virtue of having played indoor handball in college, I can pretty much do anything with either hand except write. Mouse is on the left at work, and the right at home. I'm pretty much locked into the standard AWSD movement and 1234 keybinds though, as the Mrs. would throw a fit it I changed anymore of her keybinds... Smiley: lol



Just another reason I can't wait till I get my naga...
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#45 May 17 2011 at 4:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:

I have something like 62 keybinds on my warlock (checked last night), but seriously, I can't remember more than a dozen or two of them. It gets worse when I change characters.


I set up my action bars to be a perfect little 7-7-5-3 replica of my G13, and to change when I press a modifier, so as to serve as a cheat sheet. The diagram helped me very quickly memorize the position of my abilities relative to where my fingers were, if not their actual letter binds. So Shadow Word:Death, say, is not so much "G" as it is "one to the right of my index finger." (See? I haven't played WoW in a month and I still remember where it is.)

I still couldn't consistently play more than one class though.

Rift does not allow me to customize my toolbars in this manner. Chaos has ensued.
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