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#1 May 02 2011 at 5:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
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*Though it might be an interesting way to raise RL$ for a charity. Donate $5 to Japan Relief effort - get a vanity pet or armor token of some sort... Nothing BiS, but 359 Equiv. Keep the rules strict (only do it for Real disasters - i.e. Katrina, Japan, Haiti... Not things like regular hurricanes or ever time a river floods...)



I dunno.

I mean it was fun getting excited over event-based stuff in the past, like the Beijing Olympics vanity pet for example. I'm not sure if I could get the same level of enjoyment over a Japan Tsunami Charity Murloc pet, even if the proceeds were being donated. Feels like the little fellow may serve as a bit of a awkward reminder, and kind of leave a bad aftertaste.



Well looks like they went and did it
. Okay it's a Cenarion Hatchling, but still. I'm tempted to buy it, but I don't think I could actually ever have it out for the reasons listed above.

Your thoughts?
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#2 May 02 2011 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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They had me at "hello." I'm in. Hell, it's only 10 bucks to a good cause (charity:water is also a very good cause Blizzard... hint, hint). I'm sure most of us have "text-donated" more than that already this year.

To balance it in my brain I'm bringing in lunch to work tomorrow. Fair trade I think.

Still iffy about buying non-charitable pets but that's just me.
#3 May 02 2011 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
Once I have the ten dollars to spare, hell yes. I've been wanting to donate to Japan anyways, just haven't been able to afford to do so yet. The pet is a win/win, because I get a cute pet and Japan gets aid that they desperately need.
#4 May 02 2011 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Bleh, I wish all the pets were like half that price. I'd definitely be more willing to buy it at $5 than $10. I know this one in particular is for a good cause but all the other pets are still $10 too.

It does look pretty cool though! Especially since I am raising my ******* of NC Pets with Children's Week. I hate that they added 2 new pets! I just finished my 3 year achievement, but now I have to wait another year to get the next pet! Smiley: mad
#5 May 02 2011 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
I'll probably buy one for my lady this morning as a gift, so she'll see it when she gets up in a few hours. The disaster relief is great as well. I'm happy to spend $10, or more, that I have on that.
#6 May 02 2011 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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#7 May 02 2011 at 9:00 PM Rating: Decent
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but I don't think I could actually ever have it out for the reasons listed above.


No reason to feel that way at all. Keep it out to bring attention to the issue so others may like what they see and wish to donate as well. I can understand how some may see having that pet out as not in good taste, but it really is only a pet and in getting that pet you help those in need. Besides, I feel a reminder of disasters is important. Remembrance day is important and a constant reminder(I'm not comparing these two events by their significance, simply as an example). Perhaps the little hatchling will serve as a reminder as well.
#8 May 02 2011 at 9:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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They could have at least re-colored the pet so it wouldn't be exactly the same as the TCG Hippogryph Hatchling.
#9 May 02 2011 at 10:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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This probably wont be the most liked post, but eh, I'll go with it:

In the United States, it's estimated that 25% of children are going to sleep hungry, some starving. A lot of people and companies in the U.S want to help (save) all the other countries around the World (all about the image), many of them rich enough to take care of their own problems, like Japan. They can and will take care of business concerning the earthquake and tidalwaves. They are, they have proven this already.

The Blizzard pet wont help, a minor dent when it comes to Japan. But if there was a feed the poor pet for United States families, it would make a dent as many families could get a lot of food at least for a little while. And yet, it doesn't exist because it's cooler now-a-days to help everyone else, except where these companies are based.

Is it a good cause? Sure. Are there better causes, most definately. Why no Hati pet (I think)? Why no Sudan Pet? Why no Congo pet? Why no United States pet? Etc, etc.
#10 May 02 2011 at 10:17 PM Rating: Excellent
Actually, that's a very good point Secular. I hadn't thought of that, and I completely agree with you.
#11 May 02 2011 at 10:35 PM Rating: Default
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That's a good point, but, also considering American sensibilities, what are those 25% of kids ACTUALLY going through?
I have trouble with such a high number, as I often work with children in the past.
#12 May 02 2011 at 11:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Why is it 10 Euro? That is not the same as 10 US$ (10 US$ is about 6,75 Euro).
#13 May 02 2011 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
Because US corporations want to punish you for being dirty commies.

In all seriousness though I have no idea. That's pretty lame.
#14 May 03 2011 at 1:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Seculartwo wrote:
This probably wont be the most liked post, but eh, I'll go with it:

In the United States, it's estimated that 25% of children are going to sleep hungry, some starving. A lot of people and companies in the U.S want to help (save) all the other countries around the World (all about the image), many of them rich enough to take care of their own problems, like Japan. They can and will take care of business concerning the earthquake and tidalwaves. They are, they have proven this already.

The Blizzard pet wont help, a minor dent when it comes to Japan. But if there was a feed the poor pet for United States families, it would make a dent as many families could get a lot of food at least for a little while. And yet, it doesn't exist because it's cooler now-a-days to help everyone else, except where these companies are based.
While Japan can certainly take care of itself, helping eachother in times of crisis is something that fosters good relations between nations. And to be fair, the US certainly could have taken care of itself during the Katrina disaster, but that didn't stop Japan from coming to our aid then.

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The Japanese Foreign Ministry said that it would provide $200,000 in cash to the American Red Cross to assist victims of Hurricane Katrina. Japan also identified needs in affected regions via the U.S. government and provided up to $800,000 in emergency supplies such as tents, blankets and power generators if they receive requests from the U.S. for such assistance. Private and corporate donations totaled over $13 million.[33] One Japanese individual, Takashi Endo, donated USD $1 million from his personal funds to Katrina relief efforts.
And they certainly weren't the only ones.

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Why no Hati pet (I think)? Why no Sudan Pet? Why no Congo pet? Why no United States pet? Etc, etc.
I suspect that it's because this is an acute problem recent enough(and with enough media attention) to elicit a response. Some of those are chronic problems while others had the initial problem crop up far enough back that it's been mostly forgotten about. It's kinda sad, but it's the way it is.

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In the United States, it's estimated that 25% of children are going to sleep hungry, some starving.

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That's a good point, but, also considering American sensibilities, what are those 25% of kids ACTUALLY going through?
I have trouble with such a high number, as I often work with children in the past.
To be honest, the statement made is a bit misleading(I'm not saying that the problem isn't there, just that it's not quite as bad as it was stated).

http://www.conagrafoodsfoundation.org/child-hunger/child-hunger-statistics.jsp wrote:
More than 17 million, or almost one in four, American children are at risk of hunger.1 That is more than the combined populations of America’s three largest cities, New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Each child facing hunger potentially goes to bed hungry at some point in the year due to a lack of household resources to secure an adequate food supply.
It's not that 1 in 4 children goes to bed hungry. It's that 1 in 4 children lives in a situation where they could potentially go to bed hungry(and probably do once in a while). It's a problem, and certainly one that needs to be dealt with, but it's not like 25% of kids go to bed hungry on a regular basis.

Edited, May 3rd 2011 1:27am by Poldaran
#15 May 03 2011 at 1:32 AM Rating: Default
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I figured it was some bleeding heart yuppy misinterpretation of the facts.
#16 May 03 2011 at 6:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Therion wrote:
Still iffy about buying non-charitable pets but that's just me.


Me too. I have not, and will not, buy game items.

In this case, however, since all proceeds are going to charity, I am going to buy the pet.


Seculartwo wrote:
Is it a good cause? Sure. Are there better causes, most definately. Why no Hati pet (I think)? Why no Sudan Pet? Why no Congo pet? Why no United States pet? Etc, etc.


There are always good causes to make donations to or volunteer to help. Just because Blizzard doesn't choose to do something for every disaster or malady in the world doesn't mean they should be dinged for making an effort on one particular disaster. My wife donates time to Habitat for Humanity...does that mean she should feel bad for not donating time to Feed the Children? That's what you're saying about Blizzard.

#17 May 03 2011 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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I figured it was some bleeding heart yuppy misinterpretation of the facts.



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The department's annual report on food security showed that during 2007 the number of children who suffered a substantial disruption in the amount of food they typically eat was more than 50 percent above the 430,000 in 2006 and the largest figure since 716,000 in 1998.

Overall, the 36.2 million adults and children who struggled with hunger during the year was up slightly from 35.5 million in 2006. That was 12.2 percent of Americans who did not have the money or assistance to get enough food to maintain active, healthy lives.


This was in 2007. In a recent news report on CNN with a leading deparment head, since 2007 the percentage of hungry, malnurished and evebn starving children has gone up dramatically. Again, it's estimatede to be 25% of kids (this is not including adults) that are hungry, malnurished and even starving. Remember, a single Mom with three kids unable to afford food affects not just her, but three other Americans.

Heck, I thought everyone knew about this in America or should. 2007-current has been a rough time in the economy. Many many lives have been affected by this fact.

#18 May 03 2011 at 7:15 AM Rating: Decent
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There are always good causes to make donations to or volunteer to help. Just because Blizzard doesn't choose to do something for every disaster or malady in the world doesn't mean they should be dinged for making an effort on one particular disaster. My wife donates time to Habitat for Humanity...does that mean she should feel bad for not donating time to Feed the Children? That's what you're saying about Blizzard.





Not at all. Blizzard is much different than your wife or yourself. Making a pet to sell for donations cost them little to nothing and they will get a tax break for the donations. So why not make 10 pets all going to different causes? Or in my point, why not make a pet that starts at home first? If Blizzard really wanted to help their image, then it would be easy to make 10 different charity pets. Correct? Then we can choose where we want it to go.

Part of me thinks that cos there is a player base in Japan, that has more to do with it than say making a Hati pet.

As for single donation peoples in the US donating to their favorite charity, you should feel great about that and not feel required to donate anywhere else; or feel bad for not doing so.
#19 May 03 2011 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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Anyone who has seen my previous posts on vanity pets/mounts knows that I am adamantly against them.

However, I am all for this. As soon as I saw the news, I read down to see what percentage of proceeds go to actually benefit the charity. 100% is a solid number.

I might even buy one :)
#20 May 03 2011 at 7:34 AM Rating: Decent
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And yet theres more just to clarify. It's easy to figure out that those numbers have gone up in the last 2 years. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to get it:

•Nearly 14 million children are estimated to be served by Feeding America, over 3 million of which are ages 5 and under. i
•According to the USDA, over 17 million children lived in food insecure (low food security and very low food security) households in 2009. ii
•20% or more of the child population in 16 states and D.C. are living in food insecure households. The states of Arkansas (24.4 percent) and Texas (24.3 percent) have the highest rates of children in households without consistent access to food. (Cook, John, Child Food Insecurity in the United States: 2006-2008. iii
•The top five states with the highest rate of food insecure children under 18 are Arkansas, Texas, Arizona, Missouri, Mississippi, as well as the District of Columbia
•Proper nutrition is vital to the growth and development of children, particularly for low-income children. 62 percent of all client households with children under the age of 18 participated in a school lunch program, but only 14 percent participated in a summer feeding program that provides free food when school is out. i
•54 percent of client households with children under the age of 3 participated in the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC). i
•32 percent of pantries, 42 percent of kitchens, and 18 percent of shelters in the Feeding America network reported "many more children in the summer" being served by their programs. i
•Emergency food assistance plays a vital role in the lives of low-income families. In 2002, more than half of the nonelderly families that accessed a food pantry at least once during the year had children under the age of 18. iv
•15.5 million or approximately 20.7 percent of children in the U.S. live in poverty. •Research indicates that even mild undernutrition experienced by young children during critical periods of growth impacts the behavior of children, their school performance, and their overall cognitive development. vi
•In fiscal year 2009, 48 percent of all SNAP participants were children. vii
•During the 2009 federal fiscal year, 19.5 million low-income children received free or reduced-price meals through the National School Lunch Program. Unfortunately, just 2.2 million of these same income-eligible children participated in the Summer Food Service Program that same year.
#21 May 03 2011 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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that's all very nice, SecularTwo, but as a non-American, I don't really want to be donating funds to help YOUR country repair issues that it SHOULD have dealt with years ago.

The Japanese, on the other hand, are suffering the after-effects of a catastrophe that is not of their making. (unless you're an American Christian fundamentalist who blames every natural disaster in the world on the evil homosexuals)

As was said: the Americans received aide from Japan after hurricane Katrina.
Haiti (not Hati, BTW) is still receiving millions upon millions of dollars in donations - much of which may eventually be proven to have been side-tracked into dishonest hands.
I can only speak for my country, but we regularly send millions of dollars to impoverished countries the world over. Again, much of THOSE funds end up being pocketed by corrupt government officials.

At least, giving money to help friends in Japan, I can rest assured that there is a good chance the money WILL go to the relief effort.
#22 May 03 2011 at 10:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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$10 doesn't break the bank for most working adults. It's not a donation that excludes your donating to other causes that you feel you want to help. The discussion that "They're doing it for Japan when there are homeless in their streets, WTF." is fallacious at best. Hello straw man! Getting that pet didn't prevent me from donating clothes or sending charity:water some cash this week. It's not "either or".

Also note that when the Red Cross "overflows" with donations for a specific emergency, the funds move to their General Fund that helps their other efforts (particularly in Africa and the West Indies). This is a major reason why I try to support them specifically. Fiscal intelligence.
#23 May 03 2011 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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that's all very nice, SecularTwo, but as a non-American, I don't really want to be donating funds to help YOUR country repair issues that it SHOULD have dealt with years ago.



I agree, it shouldn't be a problem in this country, but it is, and the cure for this problem is for Americans and American companies to donate and help their own so they can eat properly. Another cure would be for the US government to reduce the 26+ billion dollars sent to 150 countries around the World in aide and military aide and invest one or two billion feeding our poor real healthy food. What they do give in government food programs for Americans is a joke and not real healthy at the moment in most places.

The US has been helping Japan since day one. We are spending millions of tax payer dollars in the clean up effort and on the reactor problems they currently are having. We appriciated the Katrina help and we are returning the favor.

I'm not against people donating to Japan, Haiti or where ever it is they choose to donate, but it's disheartening to see a company like Blizzard that has the player base to actually make a dent in a US problem, but are ignoring it in favor of helping a country that is already getting tons of help from around the World.
#24 May 03 2011 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not against people donating to Japan, Haiti or where ever it is they choose to donate, but it's disheartening to see a company like Blizzard that has the player base to actually make a dent in a US problem, but are ignoring it in favor of helping a country that is already getting tons of help from around the World.


This is utter nonsense. Blizzard runs a business, not a charity organization. The fact that they are doing something to contribute to Japan should be applauded, not criticized. It isn't their job, or duty to address the issue of childhood hunger in America. It seems to be your pet cause, and more power to you, but I think you really are making a flawed analysis/judgment of what Blizzard is doing here.

Edited, May 3rd 2011 1:20pm by azwing
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#26 May 03 2011 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Is this conversation starting to remind anyone else of Ethics 1A? (aka freshmen with rose-colored idealism)

=P

Everyone has their cause or thing or whatever. It's an easy trap to fall into to think everyone else should share your passion for it.

The question you have to ask isn't why some for-profit organization isn't doing something for your cause. The question you first have to ask is "what can I do?".

edit: for the record I was wholeheartedly a freshman with rose-colored idealism tinting everything I read back in the day. =)

Edited, May 3rd 2011 12:30pm by TherionSaysWhat
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