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#1 Apr 25 2011 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
A few weeks ago I discovered Mr. Robot. For those of you who don't know, it's a site that claims to help you optimize your gear and provides a list of BiS gear that's dynamic, changing as your other gear changes. While this is great, I don't think is accurately does this.

I also use WrathCalcs, and I think it's a lot more accurate. Now granted this is mostly my experience as a boomkin, but some of the values that Mr. Robot uses just don't make sense. It tells me that the Vibrant Alchemist Stone is significantly better than Theralion's Mirror, which is goofy. The stone gives a static 341 int (with gemming) and 194 haste bonus, where as TM gives 321 Int and 1926 mastery for 20 seconds every minute or so. If anything they just about break even. That's only one example. It also claims that the stone and the Witching Hourglass are significantly better than the Stump of Time, which is also ridiculous given my gear. I plug in the different trinkets to Wrathcalcs, and alter reforging so I stay hit capped, and it's a significant dps loss to equip either of those trinkets over the stump.

So basically what I'm saying is that you shouldn't rely on Mr. Robot for gear choices. It's difficult to tell what sort of formula they're using. With Wrathcalcs at least, they show you estimated dps based on your gear and stats, and talents. So you can see the numbers and understand them, instead of having just random numbers which have no significant meaning.
#2 Apr 25 2011 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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Never heard of Mr. Robot.

Been using Rawr for my BiS needs. WrathCalcs is nice and all, but spreadsheets make me want to throw myself out the window.
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#3 Apr 25 2011 at 5:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I used Mr. Robot a couple of times. It took some tweaking of stat values to yield something reasonable for my resto druid initially, but it didn't seem so bad in the end. Of course healing =/= DPS, so whatever that's worth. I did like how it helped me optimize my reforging though.

Personally I'll stick with Treecalcs (the resto version of Wrathcalcs for those unfamiliar). However I like spreadsheets and usually treat black boxes like Mr. Robot with a grain of salt.

Edited, Apr 25th 2011 4:10pm by someproteinguy
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#4 Apr 25 2011 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good
I do think that Rawr is definitely a better tool than Mr. Robot, but it has some issues too (at least for boomkins). For example, it rates the 333 BoE bracers that drop in Lost City as better than the bracers that drop off of Chimaeron, which doesn't make any sense. Plus the stat weight is currently inaccurate. It's still in 4.03 mode, with crit being valued higher than mastery.
#5 Apr 25 2011 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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But, Pigtails, Rawr is shiny...
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#6 Apr 25 2011 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
I tried out Mr. Robot, but I just didn't agree with how it was telling me to get hitcapped. I could adjust the stat weights, yeah, but to what? I could have used the weights spat out by SimCraft (see below), but why do that when I can use SimCraft?

The issue with Rawr is that it relies very heavily upon developer support which just isn't there at the moment. Half of the modules are almost completely broken, with half of the remaining being usable but not as good as other tools.

I am, and always have been a huge fan of SimulationCraft. It's a bit crunch-heavy, and about as attractive to look at as a dwarf female, but it's still the defacto tool for Shadow priests. It's how EJ gets their numbers (often for more than just Spriests).
#7 Apr 25 2011 at 6:34 PM Rating: Good
Why all the hate for female dwarves? Plus size women can be cute too damn it!
#8 Apr 25 2011 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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Number crunching just bores me.

I much prefer to just practice my play than move around items and attribute points all day long in an .xls-sheet.
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#9 Apr 25 2011 at 6:39 PM Rating: Excellent
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Why all the hate for female dwarves? Plus size women can be cute too damn it!


I have nothing against plus size women. I do, however, have everything against faces like this.
#10 Apr 25 2011 at 6:40 PM Rating: Good
It doesn't take that long once you get it set up. I don't even play with it that often. I only play with it when I get new gear, and only for about 30 minutes at a time.
#11 Apr 26 2011 at 3:45 AM Rating: Good
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This is Hunters looking down upon your flawed and inferior spreadsheets.
#12 Apr 26 2011 at 4:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Domo arigato. The problem's plain to see, too much technology.

#13 Apr 26 2011 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I mostly use Mr. Robot as an offline version of "Pawn". There have been a couple of times that it has recommended gear that I hadn't realized existed.

Its main function just isn't that useful to me. My healadin has a very clear stat priority, but the balance of spirit vs. haste isn't static for healing like it is for DPS. My hunter has femaledwarf.com, and I have to run Mr. Robot's reforging recommendations through there before I'll start to trust them, which is a pain. And my druid is still in lolferal spec, so Mr. Robot thinks she's a tank, and there's no way to tell it she isn't...
#14 Apr 26 2011 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
IDrownFish wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Why all the hate for female dwarves? Plus size women can be cute too damn it!


I have nothing against plus size women. I do, however, have everything against faces like this.


Yes, well human and blood elf females have some ugly faces too, and you don't see people ******** about how ugly they are. :-p There's cute female dwarf faces. I'd tell you to look up my dwarf shaman, but she's been inactive too long so she isn't showing up on the armory. =x

Also, yay for femalehunter.com having female dwarves as their mascot! :D
#15 Apr 26 2011 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Also, yay for femalehunterdwarf.com having female dwarves as their mascot! :D
Fixed.
Also, I made that button (and their banner) Smiley: grin
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