New Solution to Long Queues in 4.1Follow

In the past (with lockboxes and similar items), you could check what was inside with auto-loot turned OFF to see what it contained without actually looting the items. I haven't done this in a really long time, but I have no reason to believe it has changed.

Well so far from the issue on the PTR's with this system is that it is for specific queues and also that everyone who could, was switching to Tank or Heals for the Call to Arms and there was a shortage of DPS

Tanking is not hard. I tank with a bear, the tank with the worst AoE and have no issues in heroics as long as the DPS aren't completely retarded. Same goes for healing.

Wrath was hard when everyone was still in T7. Everyone has just forgotten as once T8, T9 at the latest, rolled around all the heroics became easy. Its called the next tier of gear and look in the mirror.

Hi, this is your education in how a job market works (also how roles work in MMOs):

Jobs that people don't want to do, or take massive qualifications to do generally make a hell of a lot more money than flipping burgers at Wendys. It's why garbage collectors make ~$20 an hour in the US. Not many people want to collect and deal with garbage every day when they're working.

So since people don't want to do it, you need to increase the incentive so that people will do the job; money is a good incentive.

Right now, people don't want to tank/heal (ergo the long queues for DPS and instant queues for healers and tanks). So Blizzard is basically upping how much healers and tanks get paid to do their job, yet they're not getting significant rewards that will impact gameplay in a large way. Mounts, pets, and flasks/gems are not very large bonuses, yet they will get tanks to queue more.

You're welcome for the lesson, BTW. Next lesson is about why people choose the DPS class/spec that they do.

WOOSH, missed the point completely.

It doesn't matter whether you think WoW is a job or not; terms from economics still apply. Opportunity cost is the one I'll use in this post.

You find playing a DPS more fun than playing a tank/healer. That's great. Guess what you pass up for playing a class you find fun? More (useless, though fun) loot.

How is this similar to economics? You could be like a few of my buddies, and enjoy playing professional lacrosse. Of course, lacrosse isn't a major sport in the US, so you only get paid ~$30,000 per year. Your degree (you got drafted after your last year in college, where you likely played for a DI school) would allow you to start at roughly that salary and quickly increase that salary over the next ten years. However, you spend those next ten years playing professional lacrosse because it's something you love.

That buttload of money you passed up for those ten years is the opportunity cost of choosing a job you love over a job you'd be interested in, but wouldn't love as much as you love playing lacrosse.

Same deal with WoW; you play a DPS because you love it. You deal with longer dungeon finder queues because you'd rather be a DPS than a tank. You deal with not getting loot via the Call to Arms because you'd rather be a DPS than a tank/healer.

Holy ****, real life terms can apply to WoW?! Who would have guessed?!

You guys should really learn how to read before you attempt to flame me.

No, it isn't convoluted. It is actually very logical.

No, you're just ******* stupid.

By accepting the role of DPS, you're accepting that you won't have instant queues or bonus stuff like tanks and healers get.

That's what opportunity cost is.

It's not my fault that you don't understand extremely basic economic principles.

The entire game of WoW can't be one big DPS ****** because that's not how the game plays, and some people actually like to heal and to tank. Ergo, since you need a tank and a healer to do dungeons, there's going to be a balancing point in the dungeon finder system.

If you don't like it and want it to be all fun and games, play PvP. That's a completely unbiased queue system (well, Alliance vs Horde but whatever) and it doesn't matter what role you prefer to play.

Or get a guild.

But the dungeon finder system will always be based on the economics of time spent in queue vs how much you like being a DPS. If you like being a DPS enough, you'll either sit in the queues or you'll quit. If you're not that attached to being a DPS, you'll respec in the case of a hybrid, or you'll roll an alt in the case of a pure DPS class.

I don't understand how you missed my point so terribly, but you really did.

Even if we accepted your premise ("the role itself should be the reward in a game"), you're missing the point for Call to Arms. The system we have in place works great for tanks. If I want a queue as a tank, I will have a heroic run within 1-4 seconds. There is no reason for additional reward as far as tanks are concerned.

Unlike me though, Blizzard seems to care about DPS and the insane queues they're forced to endure. The Call to Arms is aimed at helping DPS. Tanks are just fine right now.

You can say, "Well, Blizzard should just making tanking more fun or more rewarding. Blizzard fails." I don't have anything in this entire game that I enjoy more than tanking for a good group. Seriously. I'll tank for friends any time I'm available in game because I enjoy it that much. I'll tank for people who aren't friends but I know are good players any day of the week. But for me (and for many other tanks) it's just not worth dealing with the LFD fodder and queuing for a random. The problem isn't the mechanics of tanking. It's the player base. And there's only so much Blizzard can do about that without a massive redesign of the game. Therefore -- Call to Arms.

You're allowed to kick the tank. And the fail tanks who queue up for rewards are *already* queing up for shorter times.

I'm fairly certain being able to kick the tank is an urban legend.

This is your fault, SPG.