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#1 Apr 01 2011 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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Was bored and posted this on the Official Forums, thoughts?

Put your non-serious hats on for a sec, just playing around with an idea here...

So, let's say for the next Expansion a civil war-like situation breaks out for various reasons.

Old alliances dissolve, new ones are forged.

Alliance:
Humans: Seem to spearhead the "Allianceâ„¢" brand anyhow.
Dreanei: Thier good-natured temperament keeps them with the Alliance.
Gnomes: Just because.
Dwarfs: Make's sense.

"New" Horde (More of a neutral faction as far as morals go):
Orcs: Maybe Thrall assumes leadership again, and "cleans house" by kicking out the darker races of the Horde.
Tauren: After seeing how much Tauren's and Nelfs like hugging trees together, figured they should finally go steady.
Nelfs: That's right, I went there.
Worgen: Let's say that the Worgen give into thier curse just a little bit more and find themselves more akin to the more savage atmosphere.

Evil'er Faction:
Undead: Make's sense.
Belfs: Also somewhat "dark".
Trolls: Vol'jin hate's Hellscream anyhow, and Trolls by nature tend to be somewhat malicious.
Goblins: Lets just say their in it for the profits.

Now I know this creates alot of imbalances and holes, like Alliance won't have a Druid class (just let humans be druids and rename them PETA), how cross-faction communication would change (it's not like Worgens would suddenly forget how to talk to the old alliance) as well as some other things I cant recall.

But imagine how much $#!? this would stir up, imagine new BG's (or redesigned old ones) built for 3 warring factions.

There's lot's of play with this idea, let's say for instance that Orc's & Goblins swap factions. Maybe Hellscream gets the Orcs to drink more demon's blood and they get re-cursed. Goblins, being more neutral of morals, go with the neutral faction for maximum profits.

Ideas?
#2 Apr 01 2011 at 10:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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I was thinking you meant a 3rd faction like a faction with 6 new races.
I vote for tribes of Murloc, Naga, Ethereals, Tuskarr, (smaller) Ogres and wolvarr to form a great group of pirate nations.
#3 Apr 01 2011 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
pirate nations.

Win.
#4 Apr 01 2011 at 10:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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The problem with a pirate nation is that no one would ever want to be anything else. Everyone would just be pirates all the time. I mean, who in their right mind WOULDN'T b a pirate given the option? It's just too awesome.

Edited, Apr 1st 2011 11:47am by Karlina
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#5 Apr 01 2011 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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Karlina wrote:
I mean, who in their right mind WOULDN'T b a pirate given the option?

Those crazy ninja fans...

Would we get non-combat Wenches?
#6 Apr 01 2011 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
a civil war in the Alliance where lets say Humans ally themselfs with a race from the Horde
like my enemys enemy is my friend

SW is at war with Ironforge!!!
and the inhabitants of Blackrock ally themselfs with SW
#7 Apr 01 2011 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know it all would work. But I'd like to leave the old factions behind on some of my characters. Something along the lines of:

You all are idiots. #$%& you, I'm joining the Earthen Ring.

Oh well. I can dream at least...
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#8 Apr 01 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
I know that the Blood Elves and Forsaken are pretty tight and all, but I don't see BE's as an evil race. O.o Kael went bat **** crazy and all, but that's why the majority of them stayed behind and didn't want anything to do with him.

Three factions would definitely be interesting though.

And I <3 the idea of a pirate faction
#9 Apr 01 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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+1 for wolvar. Those little raccoons are killer.
#10 Apr 01 2011 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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Transmigration wrote:
+1 for wolvar. Those little raccoons are killer.
Oddly enough, I think I'd end up playing a Tuskarr, the mental image of one of those big, chubby fellows in plate armor, tanking away just makes me laugh.
Also, their running animation is awesome.
#11 Apr 01 2011 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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Zaknalfein wrote:
Alliance:
Humans: Seem to spearhead the "Allianceâ„¢" brand anyhow.
Dreanei: Thier good-natured temperament keeps them with the Alliance.
Gnomes: Just because.
Dwarfs: Make's sense.

"New" Horde (More of a neutral faction as far as morals go):
Orcs: Maybe Thrall assumes leadership again, and "cleans house" by kicking out the darker races of the Horde.
Tauren: After seeing how much Tauren's and Nelfs like hugging trees together, figured they should finally go steady.
Nelfs: That's right, I went there.
Worgen: Let's say that the Worgen give into thier curse just a little bit more and find themselves more akin to the more savage atmosphere.

Evil'er Faction:
Undead: Make's sense.
Belfs: Also somewhat "dark".
Trolls: Vol'jin hate's Hellscream anyhow, and Trolls by nature tend to be somewhat malicious.
Goblins: Lets just say their in it for the profits.


I like the idea of a neutral faction, but it would be hard to move any of the existing races into it without messing up the balance completely.

A small note on the quoted part above: Night Elves and Orcs would never team up. The Night Elves are still pretty pissed about the entire Warsong incident. And I highly doubt the Worgen would want to team up with a race that participated in the invasion of Gilneas.

Also, your list is dividing the races up into Good, Neutral and Evil, which does not work. The Humans, at times, are just as "evil" as the Forsaken. Both races are somewhat xenophobic, albeit for different reasons. And there are too many potentially neutral races for it to ever be balanced.

Still, the idea is good.
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#12 Apr 01 2011 at 10:33 PM Rating: Default
a third faction would cause them to have to rework like the whole game, just wont happen. =(
#13 Apr 02 2011 at 1:09 AM Rating: Good
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Mazra wrote:
Zaknalfein wrote:
Alliance:
Humans: Seem to spearhead the "Allianceâ„¢" brand anyhow.
Dreanei: Thier good-natured temperament keeps them with the Alliance.
Gnomes: Just because.
Dwarfs: Make's sense.

"New" Horde (More of a neutral faction as far as morals go):
Orcs: Maybe Thrall assumes leadership again, and "cleans house" by kicking out the darker races of the Horde.
Tauren: After seeing how much Tauren's and Nelfs like hugging trees together, figured they should finally go steady.
Nelfs: That's right, I went there.
Worgen: Let's say that the Worgen give into thier curse just a little bit more and find themselves more akin to the more savage atmosphere.

Evil'er Faction:
Undead: Make's sense.
Belfs: Also somewhat "dark".
Trolls: Vol'jin hate's Hellscream anyhow, and Trolls by nature tend to be somewhat malicious.
Goblins: Lets just say their in it for the profits.


I like the idea of a neutral faction, but it would be hard to move any of the existing races into it without messing up the balance completely.

A small note on the quoted part above: Night Elves and Orcs would never team up. The Night Elves are still pretty pissed about the entire Warsong incident. And I highly doubt the Worgen would want to team up with a race that participated in the invasion of Gilneas.

Also, your list is dividing the races up into Good, Neutral and Evil, which does not work. The Humans, at times, are just as "evil" as the Forsaken. Both races are somewhat xenophobic, albeit for different reasons. And there are too many potentially neutral races for it to ever be balanced.

Still, the idea is good.


The druid races would be a faction. Makes more sense. Thrall can still be the leader, with Garrosh in charge of the new Horde.

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Tauren: After seeing how much Tauren's and Nelfs like hugging trees together, figured they should finally go steady.
Nelfs: That's right, I went there.


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#14 Apr 02 2011 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent
This operates under the assumption that all races are aligned. We know they aren't.

There are batsh!t crazy Elves, Dwarves, Humans, Undead, etc, etc. Installing a new faction would only work if it had no built in races, only the option to become part of it. It would most likely need to be an extreme change from the norm of the other two factions, and while it's nice to think of the possibility of that being for the greater good, even that starts to sound like fascism. Basically it would have to be evil.

This syndicate would then be made up of all players, regardless of race, who have dissolved their allegiance to their native races and agreed to work together for their cause. This would of course throw the balance of power off, as practically everyone in the known WOW universe would join this faction (with the exception of possibly RPers.)

Trust me, there have been many times I would have payed a lot just to kill members of my own faction.
#15 Apr 02 2011 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
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It would disrupt pvp too much IMO. An idea though would be to make a race that lets you choose alliance while your still a newbie through a quest.
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Why would it disrupt PvP? The BG would just put 2 teams against one another so you'd have a chance to either face Horde or Pirates as Alliance in a BG.
#17 Apr 02 2011 at 4:40 AM Rating: Good
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Mazra wrote:


A small note on the quoted part above: Night Elves and Orcs would never team up. The Night Elves are still pretty pissed about the entire Warsong incident.


Gimme back my flag you grubby bald orc swine!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#18 Apr 02 2011 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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ekaterinodar wrote:
Mazra wrote:


A small note on the quoted part above: Night Elves and Orcs would never team up. The Night Elves are still pretty pissed about the entire Warsong incident.


Gimme back my flag you grubby bald orc swine!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you weren't such a weakling, you'd come and get it!
#19 Apr 02 2011 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't really know about your three faction set up. I like the idea, but the implementation just doesn't work for me. Vol'jin may hate Hellscream, but that doesn't make them evil. If anything his keeping the peace even though he wants to kill Hellscream should be evidence of that. Night elves would never have anything to do with the Orcs just because Orcs are all about the tree cutting. And the alignments are all off. I don't see Humans as good, or the goblins as evil.

Maybe a better idea would be to leave behind the silly notion that just because everyone is of the same race that makes them all be of the same opinion. If you look at any of the evil factions they are made up of all the races. They all decided to go rogue and hang out under another flag. Perhaps we as players should be given the right to chose race..AND faction. of course that would double the blood elf population...and I really wish they never added that race....too many people play it.
#20 Apr 02 2011 at 7:36 AM Rating: Good
I'd prefer a neutral race faction that can gain rep with BOTH sides - that would have been the perfect intro for goblins and worgen.

Option 2 if Blizz doesn't want someone to be able to run instances all day with the Horde and then join their Ally guild for a raid that night would be to allow members of those two races to choose which side they're officially joining after they finished their newby zone quests - you have to choose one side or the other.
#21 Apr 02 2011 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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Horsemouth wrote:
The druid races would be a faction. Makes more sense. Thrall can still be the leader, with Garrosh in charge of the new Horde.


What? The Druids are a sub-culture of the Night Elven, Troll, Worgen and Tauren races. It's not like all Trolls, Elves, Tauren or Worgen share the Druid opinion on neutrality and balance in the world.

It would be like putting Orcs and Humans in one faction because both can train Warriors and then making Sylvanas their leader. It wouldn't make sense.

Or maybe I'm just too sober to see the connection.
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#22 Apr 02 2011 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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A small note on the quoted part above: Night Elves and Orcs would never team up. The Night Elves are still pretty pissed about the entire Warsong incident.

And yet they teamed up even closely after that happened to defend the world tree.

If you want to nitpick, I'd say that Trolls leaving the 'new horde' makes less sense. I could imagine Trolls leaving the horde if Hellscream stayed in the lead, but you can't really say "Maybe Thrall assumes leadership again and cleans house by kicking out the darker races of the horde" and "Vol'jin hates Hellscream anyhow" in the same post and make it work. Aside from the fact that the Trolls right now are one of the least 'dark races' in the horde (especially considering their original nature), Thrall wouldn't just 'kick them out'. Thrall and Vol'jin have a pretty big history together and the only way I could see Vol'jin leaving 'the horde' is if Hellscream stayed in the lead.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2011 4:58pm by Mozared
#24 Apr 02 2011 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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I REALLY don't like the matchups here for the proposed three factions. You've got races that just don't belong together.
Human, Dwarf, Gnome, Draenei.
Orc, Forsaken, Blood Elf, Goblin.
Night Elf, Tauren, Troll, Worgen.

If we're splitting into threes, it's about the only possibility. One could MAYBE swap Worgen with Draenei.

Fact of the matter is, Blood Elves will not work with humans, and if the Whored were to split, I doubt they'd work with Trolls. Dwarves and Gnomes will always be together, as will the Belves and the Forsaken. Draenei will not work with Orcs, considering the Genocide. Worgen have a blood oath with the Night Elves, much as the Goblins have sold themselves to the Orcs.
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