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#1 Feb 03 2011 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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Never thought I'd be asking for advice about computer hardware, but here I am.
99% of my computer gaming is on WoW. I occasionally play some Total War or Call of Duty, but other than that, it's all WoW.
That said, I'd like to get as much input from the WoW people, and as little input from the other people as possible.

Here's the dilemma:
I have a rig running an old Nvidia 9500GT. It was bought in a budget pinch, so I knew it would be a stepping stone card.
What I did NOT expect was for the card to start heating up the way it does. I'm 2 years into owning the card, and I'm seeing 112*c temperatures all of a sudden. Upgraded my drivers and suddenly WoW's been cooking my card. Reverted drivers, and it's still happening, so either something in the driver cooked me, or the card just plain got tired. When it heats up, it doesn't SHUT down, it just lags terribly.

Here's what I need:
I need a good, relatively cheap card.
It needs to be PCI-Ex16.
It needs to be faster than my 9500 (tough to do, I know *rollseyes*)
It needs to fit in a midsize case.
It needs to be an Nvidia (I don't want opinions, I've bought Nvidia cards since they were 3DFX VooDoo cards, and I'm not changing).
I'd like it to be between 100-200 USD.
I went to a few sites to price cards, and realised that it's been so damn long since I bought a top end card I have no clue exactly which one I need.
I've been looking at some GTS450s, they're all so very very similar. I can't afford a fancy new 5xx, hell, I can't even afford the card I'm getting, but I don't want to bomb the little expendable money I have on a card that's going to be slower than, or last less time than, my current card.

MAJOR edit: It needs to run on a 520w power supply.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2011 4:03pm by jaysgsl
#2 Feb 03 2011 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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Most likely your fan is finished. As for sites, Newegg and TigerDirect have both been good to me. It's not a huge upgrade but I'm running a 9800 GT. It's the energy efficient version, so it doesn't require a separate power connector.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2011 7:29pm by Kastigir
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#3 Feb 03 2011 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh, I know that the fan isn't fried, it's running at 3200 RPM. Something went screwy with the internals of the card. I've done clean driver installs, loaded it up on a hard drive with XP on it, it's the card. It's an off brand, Zotac, so that's why likely.
As for the 9800, it's as expensive as 450 GTS's, so I see no reason to go with the older gen card.
#4 Feb 03 2011 at 9:09 PM Rating: Good
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Have you taken canned air and cleaned the card, etc.?

It looks like the 9500GT may have some issues with overheating. One common recommendation seemed to be to check your PSU to see if it can handle enough amps for that card.
#5 Feb 03 2011 at 9:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll admit the raw electrical business is my weakest bit of knowledge about computers, so I'll admit I'm not sure.
It's a 585w power supply, it was only $30, and the rating numbers are unreadable. If I linked you to the newegg page it's on, would someone be able to help me out there?
I'll note that I've used this card for 2 years without issue whatsoever.

Edit: Hardware monitor claims my +12 is running at 12.03, my -12 is at -7.74, is this relevant?

Edited, Feb 3rd 2011 8:18pm by jaysgsl
#6 Feb 03 2011 at 9:30 PM Rating: Good
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If that setup has worked for two years without giving you trouble, my first step would be to hit everything hard with canned air. Of course, air quality in Beijing is horrid and we don't get dust bunnies, they're something more on the order of dust mammoths.

You could try cleaning things up and putting on fresh thermal paste, but if you aren't fairly comfortable with that kind of thing (and I'm not) you run the risk of having taken something apart only to find out you can't get it back together properly.

If you suspect the drivers, follow the instructions to remove all the old drivers and do a fresh install.
#7 Feb 03 2011 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Already done basic maintenance such as cleaning. I did not reapply the thermal paste, there's still a good amount of 'uncooked' on there.
I've already also done a clean install of the drivers as well as testing it on an older version of Windows. I'm pretty sure it's not a driver issue, as the XP is 32 bit, and the 7 is 64 bit.
#8 Feb 03 2011 at 10:19 PM Rating: Good
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Well, we've done gone through my list of usual suspects! A new PSU might be worthwhile, but it sounds like the graphics card may need to be replaced anyway. If you can find specs for your PSU, you might want to make sure that it will be able to support whatever new card you choose.
#9 Feb 04 2011 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Get an iMac, bro.

(LOL... You knew that was coming)
#10 Feb 04 2011 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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I've actually been keeping my eye out for a card in the same range. I may actually head out to grab one of these this weekend:

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0342163

$115 after rebate GTX460 768MB by Galaxy

Also two options from Newegg if you don't recognize or trust Microcenter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500163
$140 after rebates GTX465 1GB by Zotac

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130591
$140 after rebates GTX460 SE 1GB from Evga
#11 Feb 04 2011 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry, I'm on a budget and I'd like it to 'just work' for EVERYTHING, not 'just emulate' everything.

Thanks for the links, but $190 is just a LITTLE much for me. I mean, I could, but, damn, that's dinner for a couple days. Great looking cards though. Hmmm.
#12 Feb 05 2011 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133343

My best recommendation.
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#14 Feb 05 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Was gonna say this GTX 460 that I recently bought was only $150 but it requires more than 520w to run. My best advice would be go to http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/ Find your current video card and look at the ones faster than it. I used to have a 9800gt that ran wow full speed. IT recently burnt up and I replaced it with the 460se. The 9800 will run with 450w power supply though.
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#15 Feb 05 2011 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
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First off, lots of advice, thanks.
As for the 9800 only using 4xx watts, really? The Nvidia forum I was linked to claimed the 9800 used like 550.
I was wrong, my PSU is 585, I only have a low consumption AMD x64, a Sound Card from the Clinton Administration, a single hard drive, and around 5 USB devices to run, so that 4 series card should suit me ok I think. $150 is RIGHT in the sweet spot.
#16 Feb 05 2011 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
I'm going through a video card hunt just like you. TomsHardware is a great place to find what type of card you need. The link is for the best cards for your money January 2011.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-radeon-hd-6870-geforce-gtx-570,2834.html

#17 Feb 05 2011 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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jaysgsl wrote:
Sorry, I'm on a budget and I'd like it to 'just work' for EVERYTHING, not 'just emulate' everything.

Thanks for the links, but $190 is just a LITTLE much for me. I mean, I could, but, damn, that's dinner for a couple days. Great looking cards though. Hmmm.


You spend $95/day on dinner?

No wonder you can't afford a $200 graphics card... lol
#18 Feb 05 2011 at 9:13 PM Rating: Decent
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hahaha
The difference between a GTX 460 at $150 and a GTX 460 at $190 is certainly a couple days dinner though. Well, about a week.
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