Finally broke the 340 mark on my feral bear and that seems to be the magic number for turning normal instances from the careful pulling, CCing and making sure the healer drinks every pull to something pretty much resembling a relatively quick and painless instance run, even with a substandard group (no clue what other classes need to reach the same comfort zone though).
On the other hand, that's certainly not the right level to even think about the easier heroic instances without at least an equally well equipped (and competent) healer - Blizz wasn't playing games when they designed this xpac and I foresee a long journey to heroics being casual runs for me at least.
That said though, this isn't a QQ for Blizz to nerf the instances - I hope they leave them just as they are as that means that I get more time before the heroics turn into a simple "lets get this out of the way so I can get my daily reward and go do something challenging/fun" routine.
I like the fact that I'm getting my money's worth out of this xpac as I must admit that I was rather worried that it would degenerate into an alt fest fast (and a very short one at that when one takes into account how much bonus xp gear is out there) considering how quick and easy leveling was even without the bonus xp gear working post 80. With heroics being on par with the last xpac's 10m runs this means that not only do I get a lot of mileage out of them with my main, but my alts will enjoy a long uphill journey through them as well.
My guild's taken a few tentative stabs at the 10m raids but isn't even thinking about 25s at the moment due to how rough the heroics can be - heck, many of the heroic bosses have the health and fight times of a Wrath raid boss so I can just imagine how lethal a battle with a real 25m boss will be (yeah, I popped my CD three times that fight - isn't your CD on a 10m timer - yup).
Can't end with rant/QQ off because I'm actually quite happy with how rough it is - my gal's working this Saturday and I've got no pressing matters to attend to so I'm looking forward to a long, rough day of getting to know the routes from the GYs to the heroics a lot better and maybe even scoring some upgrades - happy wiping!
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I'm at 345 equipped and regulars still depend largely on the healer's capabilities. I've run regulars where the healer just facerolled while AFK and watching the TV (Holy Paladin in epics), but I've also had runs where we'd wipe on random pulls because I went from 160k health to 0 in a matter of three GCDs because SI wasn't up.
Overall, I'm just tired of not having any utility. I feel very gimped when I have to deal with a sticky situation. My Paladin can shield people, mitigate group damage, break snares and has two taunts. My Druid can... charge. Which does nothing except root the target for a couple of seconds.
Tanking is boring. There's no flavor to it, despite GC's best intentions. And by boring, I don't mean unchallenging. Heroics are still challenging, in the same sense trying to run across a highway is challenging. It's just pointless, really. Not very gratifying and basically not worth the trouble. Sure, killing a boss the first time is sort of a rush, but when it's the 10th time I'm running the same heroic, killing a boss is just sort of meh.
Heroics are just like WOTLK rewards wise, but they're ten times as frustrating. 500 JP and I'll have no reason to run a heroic again. Except for the ridiculous VP reward.
Edited, Feb 3rd 2011 2:05pm by Mazra
Overall, I'm just tired of not having any utility. I feel very gimped when I have to deal with a sticky situation. My Paladin can shield people, mitigate group damage, break snares and has two taunts. My Druid can... charge. Which does nothing except root the target for a couple of seconds.
Tanking is boring. There's no flavor to it, despite GC's best intentions. And by boring, I don't mean unchallenging. Heroics are still challenging, in the same sense trying to run across a highway is challenging. It's just pointless, really. Not very gratifying and basically not worth the trouble. Sure, killing a boss the first time is sort of a rush, but when it's the 10th time I'm running the same heroic, killing a boss is just sort of meh.
Heroics are just like WOTLK rewards wise, but they're ten times as frustrating. 500 JP and I'll have no reason to run a heroic again. Except for the ridiculous VP reward.
Edited, Feb 3rd 2011 2:05pm by Mazra
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I don't like tanking heroics either. I like raid tanking but heroics....
Except for side grades and a trickle of VPs there is no point any more.
Except for side grades and a trickle of VPs there is no point any more.
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idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
If they dont buff the VP reward on the daily heroic, I`m dropping it from my daily stuff to do.
Brisin wrote:
If they dont buff the VP reward on the daily heroic, I`m dropping it from my daily stuff to do.
I'll heal a random heroic with my guild, but I'm not going to pug it. Consequently I have yet to get enough VP to spend. I did pick up the VP boots last night, which are BOE and just now starting to show up on the AH.
I was finally able to get my first piece of VP, my 1650 Fluid Death trinket. I would say probably 1400 of that came from raiding. A guy in my guild got the 5000 VP cheeve last week sometime while I just got about 1800.
I usually queue for heroics as holy, around 353 item level. I find i can heal a tank of pretty much any gear level through any heroic as long as they are decent at using their own cooldowns when appropriate. It's the dps who are trickier to heal, especially if they are standing in aoe on a high tank damage pull (some of the magic stuff in grim batol is pretty rough).
I'm willing to tank, and sometimes enjoy it (I tend to have mood swings between bear and cat but have been preferring kitty a lot more lately), but I think my biggest frustration is that there's no feedback. When I dps I can check my numbers afterward and see personal improvement, but when I tank better I don't notice it. My HEALERS notice, but I don't feel any less squishy.
I think I need to find a new set of mobs to solo. That was my hobby in Wrath, going out and soloing the Tourney daily dragon, Thrym, nonheroic instances, a chance to show off my survival and reaction abilities. I'm not sure what the next step up is though. I've done MC (and got Sulfuras) but so have plenty of other folks, and even if I wanted to step up to BWL mechanics there force multiple people. I can definitely do Kara and probably make attempts on Mags/Gruul, I suppose. Doomwalker's a fun and easy (if slow) stomp that gives me 500g.
I think I need to find a new set of mobs to solo. That was my hobby in Wrath, going out and soloing the Tourney daily dragon, Thrym, nonheroic instances, a chance to show off my survival and reaction abilities. I'm not sure what the next step up is though. I've done MC (and got Sulfuras) but so have plenty of other folks, and even if I wanted to step up to BWL mechanics there force multiple people. I can definitely do Kara and probably make attempts on Mags/Gruul, I suppose. Doomwalker's a fun and easy (if slow) stomp that gives me 500g.
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The other night in HoO I was at about 320 and my tank got the "superior" achievement half way through the instance; you know the one from WotLK. We didn't have any problems, and I think I drank twice and never hit innervate. I did lose the boomkin a few times, but really he deserved it; rancid goo lover.
Due to what I'm guessing is an awesome streak of good fortune, I've yet to wipe in there. *looks around for something wooden to knock on*
Call me crazy, but if I'm forced to total-PuG, I've also been trying to do it at off hours as well. Total hearsay, but it seems the ratio of window-lickers to decent players improves in the early morning or late evening. Weekends seem scary too...
The other night in HoO I was at about 320 and my tank got the "superior" achievement half way through the instance; you know the one from WotLK. We didn't have any problems, and I think I drank twice and never hit innervate. I did lose the boomkin a few times, but really he deserved it; rancid goo lover.
Due to what I'm guessing is an awesome streak of good fortune, I've yet to wipe in there. *looks around for something wooden to knock on* Call me crazy, but if I'm forced to total-PuG, I've also been trying to do it at off hours as well. Total hearsay, but it seems the ratio of window-lickers to decent players improves in the early morning or late evening. Weekends seem scary too...
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Posted: Feb 03 2011 at 11:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) They need to get away from the Tank/heal/dps boring system. I can solo all my quests without Tank and healer, so why a group of 5 can’t do it? Just give all classes stun/taunt/cc and let us loose in 5 man dungeon, queue time will go away and fun time is back. Pvp will be better without healer anyway.
Though gear can't be completely ignored...
I'm finding that gear number isn't as important as quality of play at the moment in heroics. It seemed to me like a lot of the Wrath heroic bosses consisted of one major mechanic. (For example: Break the frozen player out of the Ice Tomb.) It seems like a lot of the Cata bosses have multiple mechanics. (For example: Move from place to place to pick up the haste buff, all while DPS’ing/tanking/healing, and avoid the relatively random flow of the WW which could easily toss/kill you.)
A perfect example of this is the 2nd boss in BR Caverns.
All groups have just 1 tank and one healer. So you are guaranteed 1 caster and one likely interupter. If you have melee heavy – you’ll have more interupters. If you have Caster heavy you’ll have more beam standers.
So long as you let it stack to 80, then clear, then stack, then clear. The fight is retarded easy. But one mistake. One missed Kick. One forgetful full conversion or stack to 100 – and it’s probably a wipe for MOST pugs… It’s 100% a mechanic fight and the mechanic is 80/Clear/80/Clear.
selebrin wrote:
Doomwalker's a fun and easy (if slow) stomp that gives me 500g.
You can solo that guy?
Damn, I could barely solo Omen for the Lunar Festival thing.
Edit: Disappointing fight, if it hadn't been for the achievement. Barely dropped any money at all.
Edited, Feb 3rd 2011 11:52pm by Mazra
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Mazra wrote:
Damn, I could barely solo Omen for the Lunar Festival thing. 
On my mage.
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Mazra wrote:
Damn, I could barely solo Omen for the Lunar Festival thing.
On my mage.
Snare + DPS = win.
When you have to fight him in melee range, you both get hit by the Starfall crap and his melee hits. And Druid self-healing while in Bear Form is pretty limited, despite what the crybabies on the Oboards say.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra wrote:
When you have to fight him in melee range, you both get hit by the Starfall crap and his melee hits. And Druid self-healing while in Bear Form is pretty limited, despite what the crybabies on the Oboards say.
A couple notes from Wowhead:
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3) Starshards, a stationary AOE hitting for 800-1000 per second. If you are caught in Starshards, simply move. The visual is easy to see.
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Backpedal forever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and some more (e.g. stay out of starfall). You're in for a long fight.
The mage wasn't the only character I've more or less* soloed him with. If you can keep out of his starfall, his damage was laughable even at 80. Also, I don't remember him being snareable, but again, this was forever ago.
I say "more or less" because, without fail, someone always shows up after he's below 50% health and starts helping, mage was the only one who took him from 100% -> 0% completely solo.
I figured the Starshards were an AOE around Omen, like Moonkins' Starfall and that chick in Halls of Origination.
Good to know. Explains why I had such a difficult time.
Can't help but wonder how you stayed alive through the melee damage. Even on my 31k armor and 12% passive mitigation, he (or is it a she?) still hit me for 3-4000 damage.
Good to know. Explains why I had such a difficult time.
Can't help but wonder how you stayed alive through the melee damage. Even on my 31k armor and 12% passive mitigation, he (or is it a she?) still hit me for 3-4000 damage.
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Mazra wrote:
I figured the Starshards were an AOE around Omen, like Moonkins' Starfall and that chick in Halls of Origination.
Good to know. Explains why I had such a difficult time.
Can't help but wonder how you stayed alive through the melee damage. Even on my 31k armor and 12% passive mitigation, he (or is it a she?) still hit me for 3-4000 damage.
Good to know. Explains why I had such a difficult time.
Can't help but wonder how you stayed alive through the melee damage. Even on my 31k armor and 12% passive mitigation, he (or is it a she?) still hit me for 3-4000 damage.
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1) White damage, which is crushing against a 68 tank for 1800, but typically around 800 per hit.
Either way, the only melee character I ever soloed him on(the third "solo" was with an affliction warlock) was a blood specced DK tank back at 80. My gear at the time was rather good for the level(and fairly avoidance stacked), and Blood DKs back then had craptons of self healing, so that could be it.
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
I say "more or less" because, without fail, someone always shows up after he's below 50% health and starts helping, mage was the only one who took him from 100% -> 0% completely solo.
I actually did Thrym three times to get one I could legitimately call a solo. The first time an 80 alliance came in and ignored all my emotes to /shoo him away. The second time another guy came buy. The third time a 75 druid came in, went bearform, taunted him off me, died, and spent the rest of the fight whining that I didn't heal him. I figure he doesn't count.
selebrin wrote:
The third time a 75 druid came in, went bearform, taunted him off me, died, and spent the rest of the fight whining that I didn't heal him. I figure he doesn't count.
Tried Doomwalker - good advice - that was an easy 500g!
Popped over to play with Omen and he was a pushover - barely moved my health at all.
Popped over to play with Omen and he was a pushover - barely moved my health at all.
Real Druids solo Omen in his Starshards aura.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
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Real Druids solo Omen in his Starshards aura.
Feral bear FTW!
I soloed Omen last year on my DK.
Yeah... that wasn't an accomplishment. Unholy spec using Death Strike in tank gear. I was literally never in any danger. Took forever though. :/
Only reason I did it was because NO ONE was around.
Yeah... that wasn't an accomplishment. Unholy spec using Death Strike in tank gear. I was literally never in any danger. Took forever though. :/
Only reason I did it was because NO ONE was around.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
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