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#1 Jan 23 2011 at 7:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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I walked in to the middle of a discussion among my guild leader and officers on Vent today about what they're calling "The PvP Throttle."

Ignore if you read something else before, I just got clarification. According to them, this is coding in the game itself that makes it so the less resilience you have on you, the less damage your partymates do in PvP. My GM's example was say there are two PvP-geared folks on a 3v3 team, and one really great PvE geared character. Yes, resilience will make him do less damage, BUT because he isn't correctly geared, his teammates' damage is coded to go down to compensate for his "incorrect" gear choice.

It still seems unlikely to me, especially when it was taken into a PvE context, where the same thing was happening according to them (well, in reverse). They say the more PvP gear you individually have, the less damage your team will do to compensate. They used the following data on target dummies to "show" it:

PvE gear
GM (DK): 9205.6
Partymate (mage): 8477

My GM then put on PvP gear (a single piece) with a higher item level, ran for the same amount of time (approx 2 1/2 minutes) and had:
GM: 9461.6
Partymate: 7041.5

His firm belief right now is that while higher ilevel using PvP gear may help individual DPS, it significantly hurts group DPS. When I asked for an explanation on how this was possible I was pretty much ignored; I posited "Is this because resilience replaces, say, crit as a stat, thus leading to fewer procs?" but I didn't receive a response. They say that no one's really talked about it up until now because before Cataclysm the DPS difference might be a few hundred - now it's a few thousand and really coming out.

I think personally that it's total bull, but I'll admit I've never looked into it before. Anyone else heard of this concept?

Edit: It's awesome that I can nuke my own threads as an admin until I get more clarification Smiley: grin

Edited, Jan 23rd 2011 8:44pm by LockeColeMA
#2 Jan 23 2011 at 8:02 PM Rating: Decent
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LockeColeMA wrote:
it's total bull
I think this sums it up nicely.

And one dummy test, especially a very short one like that, is really no proof.
Let them spend a few hours at the dummy and see if they have any sort of results then.
#3 Jan 23 2011 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
it's total bull
I think this sums it up nicely.
#4 Jan 23 2011 at 11:26 PM Rating: Good
Somebody call Mythbusters. No wait no need, its already busted. Smiley: rolleyes
#5 Jan 24 2011 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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While the entire concept of such a thing is like looking for Bigfoot, I have to ask what spec the mage was when they ran this test. If he/she was fire, it would explain easily why the huge drop off in DPS when the DK had on a piece of PvP gear due to it being highly RNG reliant due to Hot Streak.

Edited, Jan 24th 2011 10:16am by OnimenoJason
#6 Jan 24 2011 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Bull. Anyway, people are already generally already penalized for having the wrong gear. It's built in. If you're all in PvE gear, you die really fast in PvP. If you're all in PvP gear, you under-perform in PvE. That's built into the stats, and there's no point in punishing your party further than having a member that's not as much help as s/he could be because of the wrong gear.
#7 Jan 24 2011 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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The evil Blizzard balancers are hiding coding to rule over the meek masses! Down with the lizard people!
#8 Jan 25 2011 at 5:42 AM Rating: Good
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There exists stupid ideas and dreams that don't make sense, then there is the idea your guildies have.

Is this your GM/officers?
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#9 Jan 25 2011 at 5:55 AM Rating: Good
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I say you get them all together and make them hit a dummy for a few hours, upload it to WoL, analyze the data and find nothing.
Meanwhile you start a mutiny and take over the guild while they're too busy to notice.
#10 Jan 25 2011 at 6:40 AM Rating: Good
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Mozared wrote:
http://urbanflyventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Its-A-Conspiracy.jpg

The evil Blizzard balancers are hiding coding to rule over the meek masses! Down with the lizard people!


That dude really needs an armidillo helmet. Foil was so last millenium.
#11 Jan 25 2011 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
LockeColeMA wrote:
I walked in to the middle of a discussion among my guild leader and officers on Vent today about what they're calling "The PvP Throttle."
Please tell me you left this guild, the GL and Officers have lost their ******* minds. Collective suicide is next.
#12 Jan 25 2011 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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His firm belief right now is that while higher ilevel using PvP gear may help individual DPS, it significantly hurts group DPS. When I asked for an explanation on how this was possible I was pretty much ignored; I posited "Is this because resilience replaces, say, crit as a stat, thus leading to fewer procs?" but I didn't receive a response. They say that no one's really talked about it up until now because before Cataclysm the DPS difference might be a few hundred - now it's a few thousand and really coming out.

In some ways, it's a great irrational belief. It lets him blame poor performance on someone outside of the person who's actually responsible for it. And the scapegoat is someone wearing PVP gear in PVE, which is of course universally hated.

It's also a great irrational belief because it's so esoteric. You can have discussions with your friends about the "PVP Throttle," and those poor fools who don't believe in it. There's no mention of it in the game, and no one would normally assume that your gear has ANYTHING to do with other players' damage. Only the really smart, awesome players have figured this out.

<tinfoilhat>Blizzard, of course, would never admit to a PVP throttle, and would probably even lie about it if it did exist. </tinfoilhat> And it's unlikely that anyone is going to devote enough time to disprove such a crackpot theory unless it really caught on.

Wearing PVP gear in PVE already puts you at a disadvantage. Why would Blizzard possibly penalize you for someone else's gearing that you have no control over? It's completely asinine.
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