Druid & Shaman Healing Follow

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1302895318

Paragon has spoken, at top end where everyone is geared and played 100% and the disparity between skill is minimal Druids and Shaman are falling behind. Going all out they are capping at 60-80% of Paladins and Priests on heroic content.

Hopefully druid healing gets some work and Blizzard doesn't use this as an excuse to nerf the other healers down to druid levels.

Right now, I`m healing as a druid and am having quite some problems. But I am assuming that its my lack of experience on really healing, since I only heal on my druid since WotLK (BC I was feral).
Despite that, what I`ve being learning is that DPS are disposable and, usually, 50% health for them is more than enough. 80% for tank is just fine.
But I`m far from the top, so...

Edited, Dec 27th 2010 5:01pm by Brisin

I think the biggest gripe about druids right now is that they have become Paladins. Which is a pretty huge change for a class. The class as you played it in The Burning Crusade or Wrath of the Lich King no longer exists.


The problem is that paladins can do it better and bring more functionality to the raid. Hand spells, buffing, LoH etc. That and when pushed on 25 man content druids are capping out at 80% of what a paladin can do in terms of effective heals per second.

Healing is just frustrating.

I know, but it is. I don't care if it's intentional, or if it's in line with the new Cataclysm healing experience that Ghostcrawler is all up in our panties about. It's frustrating as hell.

Especially when I see other healing classes run through the same content while semi-AFK. Did some regular dungeons on my Druid, in a final attempt at getting into the healing business. I've healed since as far back as I can remember (considering my blood alcohol levels, this is not as far back as you'd think) and I've never experienced anything like it. Maybe it's like "back in the days", and it certainly feels like a major step backwards.

People tell me to "just" spam Nourish on the tank with Lifebloom rolling, but the problem is Lifebloom's duration and Nourish's long *** cast time. If someone else is taking damage, I have to skip Nourish and heal someone else, oftentimes leaving me with not enough time to refresh Lifebloom on the tank.

I've told people to not stand in fire and that colorful spots on the ground are bad, but it was horrible enough trying to teach people that in WOTLK, before Druids and Priests got that colorful spot on the ground that isn't bad. Now people are playing Russian roulette with the spots. Will it heal them or kill them? Step on it and find out

Druid healing is clunky as hell and downright frustrating. And I'm by no means undergeared for regular dungeons. Ran Tol'Avir regular with a Druid tank and some pretty decent DPS. The Shaman off-healed most of the boss fights because I ran out of mana before it was over. Especially on the last boss. I reached empty when the boss was at 50%. Could only refresh Lifebloom and cast a backup Rejuvenation. Clearcasting procs were spent on Healing Touches because Regrowth sucks. No, it does. It heals for less than Flash of Light yet is supposed to mirror it?

Call me a bad player or whatever, but Druid healing, in its current state, is utterly ruined. Not because I enjoy going AFK while healing stuff, but because I don't like that people die if I miss a GCD in a regular dungeon. Cataclysm dungeons favor direct healing and Druids, in most ways possible, are just screwed there.

On a similar note, I'm glad a lot of bosses in Cataclysm just stand still and let me figure out my JFM rotation.

Maz, you're a bad player.

I will not say Maz is a bad player, he's been rolling that Druid for freaking ever. I will say it sounds like he is rolling PuG LFD, and that will make you start drinking heavily... more so.

Since the guild I joined had me join as my druid resto, I've gone from being mad about healing on the Druid, to really really enjoying it. I am not going OOM even on boss fights, how can I? When we got 3 DPS plus a tank and myself doing CC, we fight the baer minimum of trash needed, and we follow boss fights to the instruction and tactics given.

When I was doing it without Nourish, and using Healing Touch combined with trying to keep the DPS topped off at all times, I indeed was going out of mana lickity split. Now I am overhealing the tank with Nourish just so I can renew LB. I have tried a couple times to do a random with a PuG, and sure enough, you are trying to do what is almost impossible in Heroics. Noramls are not that bad anymore at the 333ilevel.

Having the quality of player there with you in that group makes all the difference.

This x1000

My wife and I ran (regular) dungeons a lot over last weekend. We kept getting put in Lost City which, while kind of frustrating, gave us a bit of a control sample. She was starting to get upset after one particularly failing run at Siamat that she was doing something wrong when I pointed out that the run before went fine. And the one before that.

Cata seems to be all about every player being responsible for the outcome of the run.

Over our dozen or so runs of that place, I seemed to sit pretty solidly at just under 8k dps while cursing (weakness/tongues as needed) everything I could. When we had other dps pulling 6-8k and using interrupts/cc the runs went fine. When we had dps doing 3-4k and not responding to cc requests and not interrupting things, it was harder. Still doable, but harder. When we had healers trying to keep dps topped off, they had trouble. Healers who left us on our own unless they had mana to spare, no worries. In Wrath, so long as your tank knew what to do and the dps hit something, *anything* you won.

As a warlock, I'm fine. I lifetap. Stop healing me unless you're a) bored or b) full on mana. Yes, I frequently sit at 70% health. Deal with it. I can roll at 70% for days. I don't stand in stuff and if I do that's my problem. The OCD over seeing all 100% hp bars needs to stop, at least until mana allows it.

Every guild run I've been on, even those where I was the odd man out on some other guild/'s run, has gone extremely well even where none of us had done the place before.

I love druid healing in dungeons now that I'm geared enough to use rejuv as one of my tools. It's really really rough when you first get to ilvl 330 though.

Edited, Dec 31st 2010 12:23pm by Xsarus

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Who are you calling fail dps?

All the healers now are given the same basic toolbox, with a couple abilities outside that: fast, inefficient medium heal; slow, efficient, weak heal; and slow, inefficient, big heal. That's what really messed up druid healing for a lot of veterans. One person described it as Pally-style healing, with a rolling LB on the tank replacing Bacon of Light.

I think they should drop Nourish all together, it had it purpose back in the day but now that its purpose was rolled into our Mastery its a bad spell that makes druids bloated. I think what Bliz needs to do is drop nourish, and use regrowth in its place. maybe half the cost of it, and make the HoT after a tad long or have it scale with more hots on the person. (Hot length wise)

What does this effectively do? Its a faster heal bringing up our frontloaded spells a bit, Lets our mastery be a better stat, if the hot after regrowth affects our next spells cast. I think that would help leveling out our playing field. ATM we feel bloated with 2 spells at the same cast speed ones super cheap and super ineffective and the other is expensive but has the potential to be a bigger heal. Honestly regrowth and nourish hit for about the same upfront heal (12-15k crit), the only difference is the hot after.

Maybe change tree to half Healing touch instead, or apply 1 stack LB, but the next cast stacks 2 with one click. That would make it interesting. ATM it takes forever in tree to try rolling LB on more then 2 people at a time.

I know there are my whims and not whats going to actually happen but the more i thought about it I dont feel it would conflict with Blizzards healing scheme, but bring up the effectiveness of druids, and regrowth is a druid staple, like rejuv, and they are more backburner spells now.

Edited, Jan 1st 2011 1:27pm by BeanX