Disgusting behaviour Follow

That's what vote kicks are for, IMO. I'm sure you're not the only one disgusted with their behavior.

Less then 6 k on trash i can see, on a boss its a no go. I'm not saying what they were saying is right, but Heroics are much less lax with gear/rotation requirements then wrath, it is much harder to carry someone who doesnt know what they are doing. Combine that with 40+ min ques for dps and your going to have high tension. As a healer i spend 4 hours trying to get my daily dungeon done from failed groups, it didnt bother me so much because my ques are short, on My rogue its a different story, i put out 12-16k dps on bosses, I cc, if the mage is wiping us because he doesn't poly, or isnt pulling decent numbers to make sure the healer doesnt oom every fight i start to get very frustrated quickly. I have never cussed someone out personally but i have kicked MANY dps.

Its not far fetched to think that if they were still on dungeon CD or within the time they couldnt kick some people would try to verbal assualt that person into leaving. AGAIN i do not condone this behavior but i do understand where it stems from.

Actually on a 4th wipe on the 2nd boss of Grim Batol Heroic i did say in Party chat "(beeping healer)" which made him quit but he couldn't keep up and it wasn't the dps he just didn't know his class, he left after i said that and was replaced by a similarly geared druid and we one shot the rest. It was an accident that it was said in party as i ment it in guild, there was 2 other guildies with me.

Its nasty and cut throat but with huge ques and high tensions your going to see this a lot until gear becomes easier to obtain to make heroics a bit less daunting. But understanding why it happens makes it better, Try to get some convo going at the beginning of a dungeon, so people start talking and Bsing, that way its easier to jab players who under perform while keeping it civil, It doesnt always work but when people start talking it leads to lower tensions.

I was healing the other day an after 3 party members wiped after no CC pulls someone said "Good healer" which pushed my buttons i thought he was making fun of me for letting them die a few times, Which I replied when the tank is taking 50k hits + other dmg from multiple mobs and my best heal is 20-35k on a 2 second cast, We need more cc, The dps in question said chill it was a compliment even thou we died you still kept the others alive to finish the mobs. Which helped defuse the situation.

Also as Pold has said kick em, if you can.






Edited, Dec 24th 2010 10:58am by BeanX

Okay, so I know I'm a big guy, but implying that I'm multiple people isn't very nice.

Lol sorry ill correct that, I didn't mean to imply you were multiple people but yeah early morning posting ftl was on my first cup of the day.

As for Sub D on my last post whats that about? Is it becuase i said beeping healer? If so We wiped 6 times on the firs boss before the healer learned to move out of the charge and 4 on the 2nd boss, these were all the healers fault. We kept our mouth shut and gave him tips like you need to watch for this or try this. Never told him How to play his class, offered helpful tips. So yeah sorry about getting frustrated after an hour of trying to help someone.


Edited, Dec 24th 2010 9:55am by BeanX

This^

As someone who came from Everquest to World Of Warcraft I've always found the rather childish behaviour in WoW annoying but the game excellent. I tend to solo mostly now or do PvP but you see the same behaviour in there as in Heroics. If I group it is with my wife and daughter as are working our way through normal dungeons (We've just hit 60) and the three of us do very well on our own and if we wipe we wipe.

Basically, people show their frustration over the internet in a way that polite society would never accept and certainly they would not dare to show face to face. It is getting worse, basically the same vile text you see in YouTube replies is now becoming acceptable for WOW players, and I'm afraid is prevalent in online games on all paltforms.

Its a massive shame and I do hanker for those days on Everquest servers where people helped each other, explained tactics and weren't worried what your gear was like as long as you tried your hardest. Unfortunately in Wow if a player doesn't quite get the hang of things they are shot on sight.

The only way to deal with people who abuse you is to be calm and just say something in group like "Please mind your language and avoid being abusive to myself or the group, if you find the experience so frustrating perhaps you would be better leaving the group". Always take the higher group in terms of showing you are far more mature an don't get caught up giving them abuse back.

Back in the good old days, people were a lot more likely to help out others and take time to explain stuff.

Don't get me wrong, the good old days had their own problems, but that was less of one.

That's a whole separate issue, though. If you're in a PuG, no amount of poor play warrants losing one's cool, however. Deliberate assholish play is another thing, obviously.

And as a relevant side note, where is the line between under-performing and pulling one's weight at this stage? I have yet to see anyone pulling more than about 6800 average in a PuG(save one guy, who was breaking 8k). To be fair, I've only been running normals(and will continue to do so until I can replace a couple more pieces of gear). That average has skewed lower on trash and higher on bosses, if that's any indication.

Edited, Dec 24th 2010 10:02am by Poldaran

In a perfect world everything would be like this, and I have said that to many people. And dropped parties myself, I know a lost cuase when i see one. Problem is even when you phrase it nicely, most of the time, is open yourself up for attack to be the one berated. I have had it happen to me before on healer and rogue. "Lawl, I'm 7/12 already where are you noob. Its because your a ****** blah blah blah"

I've always missed FF11's 1 main character for all jobs becuase it does help weed out the people that do this stuff, when word of mouth gets around how you act people arent as willing to invite you and when you have 100+ days invested in your character you're not so quick to reroll.

Also I will admit i was bad for calling out that healer but like i said i was frustrated and it wasn't ment for his eyes, It was just to vent in guild. Like i mentioned before we tryed to help him.


Edited, Dec 24th 2010 7:34pm by BeanX

^ This, this seconded a hundred times.
I left 3 groups in one night, not because I was being treated that way, but because the healers or other dps were, even one tank got reamed out by some idiot who thought he was god's gift to the game.
The expansion is less than 3 weeks old, we are ALL learning and it won't happen magically overnight.

All the more reason to stick close with friends - and make new ones on server.

The multi-server Dungeon Finder gives people an added layer of anonymity, which the internet has taught us does not bring out the best in people. At least on a server, someone's misdeeds or attitude can be recognized and avoided, but you can go LONG streaks of time without seeing the same person on Dungeon Finder.

For each additional friend you add to DF, the chances of having a great group go up 10-fold, and it gives you a layer of protection from this sort of jerk simply based on strength in numbers.

Out of all the things this expansion has done that I do love, the need to get back together with friends and Guildies is my favorite, and I'm not so sure it was even an intended change as much as an unforeseen consequence.

Yea casual players, the people who made WOW what it is, are apparently not wanted anymore. There was plenty of content for elitest. Hardmore encounters, many raid bosses, pvp. I am sure there are more casual players than there are elitest.


Edited, Dec 24th 2010 11:55pm by fronglo

I'm not calling for them to nerf the content or anything, I enjoy the difficulty as I've learnt more about my class since dinging 85 than I had 1-80 and doing ICC. I just think people could have a little more diplomacy.

I'm not talking about someone calling a player a "F***** Noob" then leaving the group I'm talking about full on personal attacks, probably verging on bullying at some points.

Merry Christmas to everyone also....

The bold part is very true, many people who aren't 'casual' fail at such things.