PSA - Don't **** Off the HealerFollow

One evil word: Naxxramas.

I still remember the cries of Shadow Priests when coming up to Instructor Razuvious. The only CC enounter in the whole of Tier 7.


Edited, Dec 22nd 2010 3:04pm by arthoriuss

Agreed. Thank goodness for the Spriest knowing how to heal after I got munched by adds on the last Stonecore boss.

Also tzsjynx, your problem seems to be the kind of thing, IMO, that is inevitably going to happen in a random group that has never worked with each other, and has little incentive to learn to do so in the short time they are together.

Whenever I see a person "X" should do "Y" kind of comment I can't help but give them the benefit of a doubt. Perhaps they've been working in a different guild with different expectations. Maybe their normal tank doesn't chain pull so they haven't had to gear/prepare for it; perhaps the guild uses more or less CC. A hunter who is always running with a mage and a rogue may not know how to chain trap at this point. A group who is always cautious and CCs may not be used to working with a tank who doesn't.

I know I'm used to compensating for my guildies' weaknesses, and I gear and spec appropriately. Likewise they are used to dealing my problems. If you've always had person "X" who steps up and handles a certain situation well, you may be more unprepared when they aren't there.

I sympathize though, prima donna healers are annoying as heck.

Edited, Dec 22nd 2010 12:03pm by someproteinguy

Seriously go for it, it does wonders for the stress level. It's kind of funny how you can spot the guildies who have been doing randoms on a given day, they're often bit more grumpy.

tzsjynx, yes, if everything goes correctly, DPS shouldn't have to bandage. BUT, as the point of this post was, everyone needs to pay attention to what's going on around them. If more got pulled than necessary and the healer is busy trying to keep the tank up, that warlock lifetapping to 20% probably shouldn't expect to get healed to full.

I am also in no way saying that healers shouldn't have to heal DPS...that's simply a lazy, undergeared, or just plain bad healer. But hey, if you ***** up and stand in the fire, popping a heal or bandage on yourself just shows that you actually care about your own survival. And as always, you do no DPS when you're dead. It drives me crazy when DPS say "Healing isn't my job!" True...but...doing damage and staying out of the fire is...and you can't DPS when you're dead. That extra 3 seconds to bandage or heal yourself can keep you alive to finish the fight. Laying on the ground whining doesn't do much good.

This post was a list of annoyances from bad pugs...if you're with a good group, you might not have to use CC, and a lot of these points may not apply. The point is, there are a lot of really bad groups out there, and these are simply some ways to take some stress off of the healer if you end up in such a group.

Jynx, I dont like you. I was going to ignore your posts as the drivel they are, but now they have annoyed me enough to make a response.


I read that as "Dps shouldnt have to mitigate the damage they take, let the pissy healer heal through it"

Now you seem to be saying that people should be mitigating damage.

You appear to think that a DPS doing anything that hinders their damage output is a cardinal sin. Let me explain to you why this is wrong.
For our jumping off point we will use a lengthy boss fight where **** has been hitting the fan, health and mana pools are running low, but everyone is still alive. Now let's say I am healing on my Paladin here. Everyone except myself (PotI FTW) is hovering around 20% hp. I know that one more bad aoe from the boss could wipe this fight. I could heal a single party member to full in about 8 seconds using my biggest heal, 3 party members with beacon healing the tank. So 24 seconds, at a cost of almost 60k mana. This isnt feasible, by the time that 28 seconds is up, people will be dead and my mana will be empty.
So what are the options I have here? We have a Retri Paladin in the group, he can get out of the way of future aoe, stop and cast a few Divine Lights on himself, he may lose 10 seconds of DPS, but he has probably bought himself 45 seconds of extra DPS time at zero time or mana cost to myself. Oh look, we have a Boomkin too, he can pop tranquility, this nifty spell might just heal everybody to near full, allowing me to move back to my mana efficient heals. Sure, the Boomkin lost a bit of DPS time, but he still had DoTs rolling and probably gained a full minute for the entire party. The mage could use Evocate. He loses 8 seconds of DPS time, but he gains extra mana for more pew pew and regens 60% of his health, probably 3 of my large heals worth of HP. 16k Mana saved for me, and the mage is no longer in the danger zone allowing me to heal the other players.
You seem to be operating under the delusion that damage per second is the only important thing to be looking for in a party member, it isn't. When my party wipes, I open recount and I dont look at the damage done tab, I look at the damage taken and the healing done. I spend my time watching the party frames, I can see if a fight has been looking pearshaped for a while, and I will call out the Boomkin who didn't use Tranquility as the failure he is.

I will admit that in a perfect run, where nobody makes mistakes, DPS wont need to crimp their DPS to heal others or themselves. But you are complaining about pugs, and one thing we all know is that pugs are not a perfect world.
So if you are in a pug, do everything you can to make it go smoothly. I have taken to assigning crowd controls to raid icons according to class colours. Hunters get Green Triangle, Paladins get Pink Diamond, Rogues get Yellow Star, Priests get White Moon, Druids get Orange Nipple and Mages and Shamans fight over the Blue Square. I know what class can control what kind of mob, I know what class is best for each trash pack and I can assign the relevant icons in a matter of seconds.

When you join a pug, is it everybody's duty to make it go as smoothly as possible, and if that requires crowd control or off heals, then you damn well better do it.

You said nothing I hadnt already said here. Most of these clutch maneuvers wont be needed in a perfect run, but pugs are never perfect.

I have healed these dungeons too, and I know that some pulls are simply too much tank damage for Holy Light spam to keep up and inefficient heals have to be used sometime. And the moment someone starts using their inefficient heals, prepare to see their mana drop like a stone, you cannot outregen those spells.


For the record, the Selfless Healer spec is a DPS loss for the Paladin, the damage gained by a single Templar's Verdict is far greater than the damage gained by a small short term increase to every ability. And you seem to be against someone doing anything that could crimp their dps.
(4% increase for 10 seconds. The Paladin is doing 10k dps. 4% of 100k is 4k damage. Templar's Verdict will consistently hit for 3x that)

Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 11:36am by EbanySalamonderiel

Also, the moon is the sheep.

Also also, the blue square is the Myrin. It CCs via 55 minute long Ragnaros explanations.

A good buddy of mine, but pretty much, yeah.

What are the chances that nearly everyone who has posted here is completely wrong and jynx is right?

I don't follow the specifics of Ret Paladins (I'm tank), but Per Elitest Jerks:


tzsjynx wrote:






I don't know... I'm not a Ret Paly, but it sounds like you are saying EJ is wrong...

On a 10kdps Ret Paladin, TV should be 12-14%.

If you replace every TV with Selfless Heals WoGs, you'll get 86% of the dmg .88 x 1.12 = .9656 so yes, you take a 2-4% hit to DPS. You also get a very powerful heal in place of that 2-4%.

Now, considering the fact that Ret paladins gain HoPo like its going out of style, keeping up the Buff from SH is actually easy to do while rotating TV, although its still not going to net any extra DPS. However, a 2-4% loss in DPS is the way that Ret is meant to heal if they are trying to heal. I thought that was what we were talking about?

I dunno - I don't really care what you guys think of me or how I play - I'm not as fascist as I may seem to be over the internet. All I'm saying is if I see a damn Ret Paladin stop to FL I'll /bonk him over the head.