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#1 Dec 19 2010 at 5:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Survival tips, or how to keep your healers from tearing out more of their hair than they already have...

1. Food is no longer just for mana-users. If a mage drops a table, get some food..and then, wait for it, use it. With the larger health pools of everyone and the reduced healing output, a healer will either take a long time to get everyone healed back up, or run themselves out of mana to do it quickly. And then they have to drink. But if everyone just sits down and eats the free mage food, the group is back up and running much faster.

2. Bandages still exist! Healer mana is at a premium this expansion, so those few seconds you take to top yourself off will make a healer love you. This goes double for life-tapping warlocks.

3. Please, for the love of Elune and/or the Earthmother, don't stand in bad crap. However, most healers now have GOOD crap that will be on the ground...this is crap that you definitely want to stand in. Shamans have Healing Rain, Druids have Efflorescence, and I believe there's a Priest one as well. Your healers spent mana on this good crap, so stand in it! Same goes for Lightwells...use them, they're good now! Another note, Paladins have a cone heal that works for people standing in front of them...use this positioning to your advantage.

4. Pay attention to line of sight...if you run around a corner, don't expect heals. Same goes with pillars, stairs, doorways, etc. Sometimes you have to move out of LoS, but that's what potions and bandages are for.

5. Tanks...be sure your healer has mana and is in range before pulling. Not much we can do when you pull a group while we're still in the last room drinking.

6. If you ***** up, admit it...don't blame the healer. Dying because you stood in the fire is your own damn fault.

7. Crowd Control is a good thing...the less damage a tank takes, the better. Tanks, it will benefit you to take a look at the different CCs each class has, which specs can use them, and what types of mobs they work on. Getting pissy at the mage because they didn't sheep that undead will make you look stupid. Because you are.


In case you couldn't tell, I've been pugging heroics...I'm sure there will be more here soon.
#2 Dec 19 2010 at 8:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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8. If you are a DPS with an interrupt, please use it. The tank and the healer with be grateful.
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#3 Dec 19 2010 at 8:28 PM Rating: Good
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If I see dps just standing in stuff I let them die.

If they are dipping to taking 1-2 tics of aoe but honestly trying to avoid it and it's just difficult for them I will go all out to keep them alive. But standing in AOE for 3-5 seconds and dying I won't even waste a heal. The response I am getting from most dps is "ack, I am such an idiot won't happen again" and for the most part it doesn't.

As a rule of thumb I would say don't worry about bandages. If you are a paladin, shaman, druid and can pop off heals when you have Holy Power, Maelstrom etc then that will probably makes things a lot smoother.

Biggest thing you should worry about is damage avoidance. Cataclysm healing is designed on the idea that 1 tick of aoe is doable, 2 ticks is making it hard and 3+ is going to start overwhelming and making healers go OOM. Don't plan on a healer healing you through it, disengage, get out and top yourself off with a healthen go back when its safe. There are no enrage timers on 5 man content.
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#4 Dec 19 2010 at 8:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Citrustorte wrote:

2. Bandages still exist! Healer mana is at a premium this expansion, so those few seconds you take to top yourself off will make a healer love you. This goes double for life-tapping warlocks.



This! On my druid i rarely see someone healing themselves, On my rogue i have 525 bandages, I always pop one if i took a hit that was my own damn fault, many a healer love me for it and honestly it barely hurts my dps.
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#5 Dec 19 2010 at 8:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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If I see dps just standing in stuff I let them die.

If they are dipping to taking 1-2 tics of aoe but honestly trying to avoid it and it's just difficult for them I will go all out to keep them alive. But standing in AOE for 3-5 seconds and dying I won't even waste a heal. The response I am getting from most dps is "ack, I am such an idiot won't happen again" and for the most part it doesn't.

As a rule of thumb I would say don't worry about bandages. If you are a paladin, shaman, druid and can pop off heals when you have Holy Power, Maelstrom etc then that will probably makes things a lot smoother.

Biggest thing you should worry about is damage avoidance. Cataclysm healing is designed on the idea that 1 tick of aoe is doable, 2 ticks is making it hard and 3+ is going to start overwhelming and making healers go OOM. Don't plan on a healer healing you through it, disengage, get out and top yourself off with a healthen go back when its safe. There are no enrage timers on 5 man content.


I've encountered tanks while healing or DPSing that will not move mobs/bosses from bad ground stuff, forcing melee DPS to either attack from the front or take damage. Those tanks should be shot.
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#6 Dec 19 2010 at 9:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I have Grim Reaper for raiding, I just bust that out on them.


My biggest issue right now are tanks that are to scared to pull, as if each trash pull is a move in Chess against a Russian grandmaster. It isn't, you have to be careful, pull back, be mindful of pats and keep your eye out for the same old tricks that have always been around.

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#7 Dec 19 2010 at 10:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I noticed I was having a harder time seeing bad things on the ground, like the green looking storm on the ground from the last boss in lost city. Luckily I was in a guild group and on vent so they told me to get out. I think I fixed that problem though because for the "Kor'kron Drop" quest in Twilight Highlands I could not for the life of me see any red X on the ground until I looked the quest up on wowhead and they told me to turn on "Projected Textures."
#8 Dec 19 2010 at 11:10 PM Rating: Good
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As melee I tend to run out away from the things that I am attacking when I am taking damage I don't know where it is coming from. While it kills the dps it tends to get me out of any aoe crap and allows me to quickly glance around and determine what was spanking me.

My biggest grip atm is dps that randomly attack w/e target they feel like. Come on dps, it is not that hard to assist the tank and watch your threat. /shakehead
#9 Dec 19 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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bodhisattva wrote:
I have Grim Reaper for raiding, I just bust that out on them.


My biggest issue right now are tanks that are to scared to pull, as if each trash pull is a move in Chess against a Russian grandmaster. It isn't, you have to be careful, pull back, be mindful of pats and keep your eye out for the same old tricks that have always been around.



So refreshing. So makes me happy.
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#10 Dec 19 2010 at 11:55 PM Rating: Good
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Horsemouth wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:
I have Grim Reaper for raiding, I just bust that out on them.


My biggest issue right now are tanks that are to scared to pull, as if each trash pull is a move in Chess against a Russian grandmaster. It isn't, you have to be careful, pull back, be mindful of pats and keep your eye out for the same old tricks that have always been around.



So refreshing. So makes me happy.

Wish the tanks I grouped with early on had that kind of caution.

Seriously, if you take 10 seconds for me to sap something, the pulls are a lot easier. Smiley: rolleyes
#11 Dec 20 2010 at 12:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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As a rule of thumb I would say don't worry about bandages. If you are a paladin, shaman, druid and can pop off heals when you have Holy Power, Maelstrom etc then that will probably makes things a lot smoother.


I found that the dense bandages do significantly more HpS than my self healing as ret. It doesn't destroy my mana pool as well letting me get get straight back into dpsing. Though i do use Holy Radiance a lot in heroics especially as prot for the bonus aoe threat.

Edited, Dec 20th 2010 1:52am by ArtemisEnteri
#12 Dec 20 2010 at 2:45 AM Rating: Decent
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7. Crowd Control is a good thing


7a. If the hunter responds to the CC instruction of "ice trap that mob it's a healer" with "lol wut why?" then just kick him on the spot with the reason of "idiot" - PC healers might be nerfed but I'll be damned if the mobs haven't finally figured out how to properly cast their healing spells.
#13 Dec 20 2010 at 5:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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You forgot something:

Even if you aren't a tank: Use your defensive cooldowns if there's unavoidable damage coming your way.
#14 Dec 20 2010 at 6:36 AM Rating: Good
Horsemouth wrote:
I've encountered tanks while healing or DPSing that will not move mobs/bosses from bad ground stuff, forcing melee DPS to either attack from the front or take damage. Those tanks should be shot.


I completely agree. While on my rogue, it's difficult to position myself when a tank either refuses to move a mob or they just don't care (They're not taking that damage, so they don't have to move type deal). So sorry to any healer out there when I move to the side or in front of a mob.

Wortschmied wrote:
You forgot something:

Even if you aren't a tank: Use your defensive cooldowns if there's unavoidable damage coming your way.


I completely agree. Whenever I take any unavoidable damage or know that there's some coming up, I pop Combat Readiness, and when I can, I usually try to use Recouperate. It's not much, but any little bit helps.

#15 Dec 20 2010 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for posting this. I tried pugging as a paladin healer and I ended up dropping group because they wouldn't huddle up for heals. Healing is difficult again, and every little bit helps.
#16 Dec 20 2010 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Healing is difficult again, and every little bit helps.
Try Tanking, we have problems also, I know I do. The problem is the rewards < than the crap I have to go trough.
#17 Dec 20 2010 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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Tanking Paladins, particularly when threat has been established need to self heal with WOG. My SoR is criting for 22k. Once you have ONE of those - you should be good on 90% of stuff. After that, I'm using WoG to help the heals.


Paly tanks should probably get healbot. I keep it up, and tiny on my RIGHT side of the screen. It is the most simple and most user friendly healing add-on. (Being a non-healer ~ this makes it very tank friendly)

I have a few keybindings for WoG, Hand of Protection, Lay of Hands, as well as a few others. I've been /w by a DPS or healer who noticed the HoP animation (it's a little crown-looking symbol above the player) and they were totally surprised by a tank who could... get this - protect the party.

Back in Wrath this wasn't really needed outside of raids, but I no longer have snap-on agro and the minor CD of burning a HoP on a trash pull is worth the healers mana.


Also, Locks with the Life-Tap thing - stop. Just stop it. It pissed me off on my Disc Priest and it's worse now. We aren't here to supplement your mana. Either eat the mage food or buy some drinks.
#18 Dec 20 2010 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Borsuk wrote:
Tanking Paladins, particularly when threat has been established need to self heal with WOG. My SoR is criting for 22k. Once you have ONE of those - you should be good on 90% of stuff. After that, I'm using WoG to help the heals.


Paly tanks should probably get healbot. I keep it up, and tiny on my RIGHT side of the screen. It is the most simple and most user friendly healing add-on. (Being a non-healer ~ this makes it very tank friendly)

I have a few keybindings for WoG, Hand of Protection, Lay of Hands, as well as a few others. I've been /w by a DPS or healer who noticed the HoP animation (it's a little crown-looking symbol above the player) and they were totally surprised by a tank who could... get this - protect the party.

Back in Wrath this wasn't really needed outside of raids, but I no longer have snap-on agro and the minor CD of burning a HoP on a trash pull is worth the healers mana.


Also, Locks with the Life-Tap thing - stop. Just stop it. It pissed me off on my Disc Priest and it's worse now. We aren't here to supplement your mana. Either eat the mage food or buy some drinks.


I love healbot even as tank ( righteous defence on a click makes bad pulls a little more doable) but for WoG and other heals I use a kkeybinding addon that hits me with WoG by hitting middle mouse button (other spells/abilities on other mouse buttons). This enables me to click a heal on myself and still use mouse to turnmoving boss around. I still use healbot to hit others with WoG if things go bad and healer needs help.
#19 Dec 20 2010 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Borsuk wrote:
Also, Locks with the Life-Tap thing - stop. Just stop it.


Speaking from a lock's POV, I'll try and warn the heals early on, and let them know I've brought bandages for just this reason. It's not nearly as bad as hellfire though. When I'm healing and I see a lock using that repeatedly... ugh, it causes grumpiness.
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#20 Dec 20 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just let them die. I find that in the event dps are being stupid or a tank doesn't want to use CC it's easier to just let a few people die and then they start using all kinds of CC and self healing.
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#21 Dec 20 2010 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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I had a Hunter in my group today who was a prime example of the Wrath laziness. He was designated a target to Freezing Trap, the exact words used were "Hunter CC the star." Any player knows what CC means to a Hunter. So the pull begins, I see a shiny blue arrow flying into the mobs feet, and then the ground turns white as his frost trap activates. Okay, no biggie, you can hit the wrong trap by accident. Next pull the tank tells him to use the right trap this time. Again he uses Frost trap. He was specifically told which trap to use this time and he replied "What's the difference"

Obviously someone who has never used an Ice Trap before in his life.
#22 Dec 20 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
I thought that bear and cat specs had a lot of flex room, but after playing some and respeccing accordingly I find myself trying to scrape together a couple more points.

--Skull Bash is a great interrupt, and talenting it down from a minute to 10 seconds is useful to either spec.
--Nurturing Instinct means that I can throw off a Tranquility and it actually does something. I consider it invaluable in cat and am trying to figure out how to get points there in bear for the situations where I have a chance to pop it.
#23 Dec 20 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
Borsuk wrote:
Also, Locks with the Life-Tap thing - stop. Just stop it.


Speaking from a lock's POV, I'll try and warn the heals early on, and let them know I've brought bandages for just this reason. It's not nearly as bad as hellfire though. When I'm healing and I see a lock using that repeatedly... ugh, it causes grumpiness.


I carry bandages and pots, and I tell healers up front that if we're not fighting, don't waste mp healing me. I offer healthstones before every fight, and if we are fighting, I do an occasional life-tap if my mp falls below 50%, but I try to space them out so my regen can handle it.
#24 Dec 21 2010 at 10:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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When I looked at this, I did a double-take on the date. Seriously, I thought we were back in Outland and this was 2007. I'm sure all these tips came up back then.
#25 Dec 21 2010 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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Leodis wrote:
When I looked at this, I did a double-take on the date. Seriously, I thought we were back in Outland and this was 2007. I'm sure all these tips came up back then.


Pretty sure when WotLK came out, everybody forgot them.
#26 Dec 21 2010 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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3. Please, for the love of Elune and/or the Earthmother, don't stand in bad crap. However, most healers now have GOOD crap that will be on the ground...this is crap that you definitely want to stand in. Shamans have Healing Rain, Druids have Efflorescence, and I believe there's a Priest one as well.

It's called Holy Word: Sanctuary, and it's a holy Priest spell only - if you see a Lightwell, odds are you'll see this at one point. Looks like a big yellow glowy circle.

Smiley: schooled
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