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Here's hoping, as that would be rather nice for them to keep doing.

The only complaint I have is it seems blizz bought into the mindset gear = skill. I'm not a big fan of 329 being min. Ilvl to get in. But I understand why they did it, it does give random groups a better chance at being successful.

What I love is random mobs while questing actually have mechanics you can advoid, and there is quest to advoid aoe/lava walls/mobs chasing you. (Only better thing would be if quest had you run to certain points (to tank?)

Sadly I don't imagine most people actively advoid these mechanics... they would rather heal up after each fight.

That's why I said it was a complaint. Not a big issue or anything, but I do have guildmates who are hitting 85 on alts and haven't had time to gear them in regulars/rep rewards, yet they can still do 2x as much dps and take 1/3 the damage most fights than some of the randoms who are ready. Now I know we can just put a group together to run the heroics, but queing for random to fill that 5th spot or gettin the extra JP would be nice.

But it is still something I will live with and will quickly be a non issue, and I can imagine it stops a lot of the lazy people from just junping in unprepared.

I've got another semi-gripe;

Harder is all good 'n fun, but I probably wouldn't have mind an upped reward. Yesterday evening I logged in with the idea "I'll try and quickly do my daily heroic for the points and then go play this other game". What happened was that I spent three goddamn hours in Grim Batol heroic, and it's not like we wiped a lot (twice on the first boss, once on the second, not at all on the third). We then reached the last boss, where the group fell apart because our DPS weren't up to scratch and couldn't kill the adds quickly enough. Gee, terrific, so much for 'getting the random daily done'; I spent three hours of time without really getting my reward.

Harder content makes for a more interesting learning road, but that doesn't combine well with a system that 'requires' you to do one 'quick' dungeon for points.

Well, you really never can 'pick' your heroics. The main reason I'm on about this is about the valor points for the random daily heroic. I don't care about the justice points - *those* are easy to get, even with hard heroics.


Yes, I realize this is true. Though on the other hand, the main time when people actually *need* to do heroics to gear up is right now. I realize that with the new points system, daily heroics will still be worth it even in T13, but by that time they should be so trivial they can easily be skipped. If you're just starting off in raids, they can't. And for the gear we're in now, stuff just sometimes takes goddamn ages.

I'm not saying I don't like a new challenge, but this can really be very demoralizing. The problem is that the 'quick random heroic' is gone, and if you want those extra valor points you'll have to count on spending two or three hours at the least to get them. And even that I wouldn't mind so much if there wasn't stupidly easy stuff around like the lost city of Tol'vir, which you can complete in an hour at most with a decent group - this just makes going for the extra profit stupidly luck-based.

Yeah the difficulty level of some of the heroics is rather frustrating at times, but at the same time I do enjoy it. Although this might be more due to the masochistic part of me lol. I will agree with fronglo on one point however. I do think the level 85 dungeon bosses should give some JP. Not a lot necessarily (certainly not as much as the heroic bosses do), but some at least. The fact that they don't makes it a lot more difficult to gear up than I think is necessary.