Guild Leveling Nerf Already.Follow

Probably for the best.


You probably would have had it backfire and have lost TV privileges too.

If Blizzard had intended to take small guilds into account, they wouldn't require 10 people to sign the guild charter.

They don't require 10...

Does it count as a breakdown if "Broken" is the default state?

Um, if you feel you are slaving away at it, can you take a break? I mean it's great you're working hard at it and all, but I wouldn't wear yourself out fighting a fight you can't win.

My guild is level 2, we'll be behind the "curve" for quite a while, probably permanently. It's not like we aren't usually in terms of raid progress, amount of mats in the guild bank, or whatever. Smaller causal guilds have never been able to keep pace, it's just the nature of the game. I'm not too concerned personally. Anyone who wouldn't want to join our guild because we're at a lower level isn't the type of person we'd want joining anyway. As for those of us in guild already, we're thinking of creative ways to target the rewards we want; like forming critter killing groups or something.

Chin up, eyes forward and stuff. It's a brave new day full of potential. There's tons of fun to be had, so what are you going to do with it all? Or as Pigtails' mom would say, "Get happy."

Alternatively you could go all sociopath and invite people to your guild until you get the rewards you want; then kick them all. Either way is good.

Theo, 300 people in the guild and 12 online on average? How many of those 300 are alts? I mean, I'm in a 48-man guild, but we're three online. Four with that new guy/girl.

On topic, I can't understand how you're still arguing this.

* The pile consists of 200 rocks.
* Team Blue has 20 members.
* Team Red has two members.
* Each member can carry one rock

Which team can move the pile of rocks the fastest?

GO!

Edit: To clarify, obviously Team Blue will win, because it only takes 10 trips per member to move the pile, whereas Team Red has to take 100 trips each. In other words, Team Blue, collectively, was faster, but one might argue how much effort each member had to put into the job compared to Team Red.

And "casuals" could probably use some of the other guild perks, Theo. Level 4 is a rep bonus. Level 5 is a cash loot bonus. Level 8 is HS cooldown down by 50%. Level 11 is a mobile guild bank. Level 13 is an honor bonus. Level 14 is a higher chance of skill-up on profession. Level 15 is faster movement while dead. Level 18 is more Justice Points. Level 21 is a raid summon. Level 25 is a raid resurrect.

I'm not in a raiding guild. In fact, we're only three people online most of the time. I'm fairly certain I'll still be able to raid, though, unless they're moving away from the PUG raiding.

Define casual again, please.

Edited, Dec 15th 2010 11:55pm by Mazra

Slacks, an aloha shirt and slippahs.

Duh.

Oooooh 0 for 8. Unlucky. Thanks for playing anyway.

aren't you (edit: lyraillis) the guy who couldn't be ***** to mouse-move because it interfered with your multitasking? how freaking important can guild perks possibly be?

Edited, Dec 16th 2010 12:45am by axhed

At the same time though, it's a conscious choice that they're making. It's exceptionally easy to obtain the perks if they want them; join a larger guild.

You make a choice when you want to be in a smaller guild, no matter what excuse you use to justify it. You need to determine whether the benefits you perceive you gain from being in a small guild outweigh the benefits you would gain from getting the guild perks.

It's pretty easy.

I think we're all aware of that, Theo. The discussion seems to be whether or not you should be required to make that choice in the first place.

Personally, I think I see both sides of it. The perks are more useful to larger guilds (or guilds large enough to reach the cap each day), but at the same time I understand if some people don't want to bind themselves to a guild to get perks like experience and reputation boosts.

I guess the change promotes leveling guilds, but meh.

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding a lot of my points in this thread:

1). I shouldn't have to be forced to join a guild with a bunch of strangers who I have no interest in interacting with. It is no big secret that out of the 12million+ subscribers, that a huge percentage of those are jerks, childish, immature, or just plain unintelligent. I shouldn't have to stoop as low as to throw my lot in with them just to get some perks.

2). "Recruit more Members" is not as easy as it sounds. I have a F&F guild; this is mainly for the guild bank, as I'm the guy who has 10 alts on one server and plan on leveling every craft to get the most out of my $12.95. I could try recruiting some random joes, but... would they want to join a guild where the Guild Bank is off-limits and where the guild is only 60% towards Level 2 while other guilds out there already have like Lv5 already?

3). I'm not asking to hit the cap every day. Never once did I say I wanted to (or expected to!) hit the XP cap per day. But jeez, more than 5% (of daily cap, NOT levelup) would be nice after several hours spent in Hyjal/Vash'jir. With the way it was pre-nerf, we were able to get about 60% of the daily cap after spending about 6 hours in Vash'jir. Okay, maybe that was a little much for 2 people, but come on... don't they think nerfing it to 25% is a bit overkill? Even 50% I wouldn't mind anywhere near as much; 30% of the daily cap after 5-6 hours spent by 2 people sounds reasonable, especially when you start getting up to the part where it takes 8+ days to get one level assuming you hit the cap.

4). My Playstyle has nothing to do with this. All people, raiders, casuals, PvPers alike should have a chance at getting guild levels. Why do you think Blizz implemented 4 different ways to gain guild XP in the first place? They wanted people from all walks of WoW-Life to gain Guild XP, whether you are the solo quester, the hardcore raider, or the hardcore PvPer or anything in-between. The problem is, they nerfed the guild XP gained from quests a little too much IMO.

5). I want rewarded for my effort. I'm not asking for things to be handed to me on a silver platter, never once did I say that. People in large guilds might spend 2 hours a day doing dailies and get their caps easily, but yet a small 2 person guild might spend 6+ hours to get half of their daily cap. In a way, the 2 person guild spends much more effort per person to get that XP. Why shouldn't they be rewarded for their time spent?

6). The nerf hurts one group of people, but doesn't even phase another. Large guilds see absolutely zero change in this nerf. They will still get their cap per day, even after nerf. Smaller guilds (I've read that 10-person guilds can't hit the cap these days under normal conditions) are hurt a lot more. If you're going to apply a nerf and make it slower to level, apply the nerf across the board so that everyone feels the hurt equally. This could have been done by making the daily cap a little smaller. That way, all guilds would level slower, and not just smaller guilds.

In closing,

All I want, is a feasible chance at getting GL22 in a reasonable time-frame. I knew from the start that it'd probably take us 2-3x as long as those who hit the cap daily, but with the nerf... it is going to take 10x+ as long. Like I said before, I did the math and it will take 2 years+.

good news! if wowpedia is correct, the earliest that anyone will be able to get guild level 22 is a scant 20 weeks from launch. so, your estimate of 10x longer was a little pessimistic. keep your chin up!

maybe you need to change your frame of reference though. guild perks aren't a meta-reward for doing everything in the game that is already a reward in and of itself, they're a reward for putting up with other people's ****. don't want to put up with other people's ****? then you don't get the rewards for putting up with other people's ****.

finding a good guild is not that hard. your posts in this thread are steaming with a sense of entitlement, victimization, and superiority. "why can't i have the nice things that those filthy, unwashed masses have? my 6 hours of questing should be worth more than their 6 hours, i worked harder at it!" etc. etc. etc.

have you considered putting the toons who could benefit into a larger guild and leaving one toon behind to access your guild bank?