Let's put aside the folks who dinged 85 in under 18 hours and just focus on normal leveling attempts from 80-85.
Got on tonight, did the basic stuff on all my 80s (got old world flying, upgraded tradeskills, etc) and was just getting ready to enjoy some fishing and cooking with my main when a buddy logged in and wanted to run a new instance - NP - don't get to group with him often and I was curious anyway.
We ended up running Blackrock three times as the toys were dropping fast and furious and I just couldn't resist trying for some boss drops for my druid.
Those three runs, combined with the quests inside, doing fishing and cooking as well as the quest that's pretty much forced on you as soon as you log in got me about 3/4 the way to 81 and that's with only (assuming rested started at 3am my time when Cata officially launched) about 15 hours rested XP under my belt.
I'm sorry, that's ridiculous.
My gal was up all night (with about four hours worth of cat naps throughout last night and today) and alternating between leveling and working archeology. She was with us for the three instance runs and she's at 82 now.
Also ridiculous, especially seeing as how she was taking her time, smelling the roses and flying around seeing/exploring stuff in the process.
Guildies who've been working alts report that level advancement is just as obscene at the lower levels, especially with heirloom gear - with rested and a full heirloom set they pretty much just have to park their toons in front of the mailbox for ten minutes and the toon will ding just standing there doing nothing.
I don't mind pointless time sinks being removed and I'm certainly not asking for the bad old days of EQ where you lost XP when you died and it took a five man group to take down an even level mob, but come on, this is ridiculous - with these XP advancement rates I'll be able to get all six of my 80s to 85 before the end of the year and then what - level my bank toon to 85 to kill time?
I'm sorry, but while I'm sure the ADD crowd is thrilled that they're now able to get a level just from staring intensely at a random mob...basically, I'm not asking for every level to take weeks to get like EQ did back in the day, but I'd really like to have it last a bit longer then an hour or two like WoW is now.
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Leveling is a very minor activity to most of the WoW population. Most people care about endgame content much more than leveling.
Jesus Rusttle, do you ever do anything other than whine?
Edited, Dec 8th 2010 8:51am by Aethien
Edited, Dec 8th 2010 8:51am by Aethien
It's only five levels, what did you expect? We have worgen and goblins to level, new race/class combo's to try out. Professions to up, quests to do, gearing up to do, new instances to try out... the emphasis of this expansion is hardly on leveling content for formerly level capped characters like it was in the two previous expansions.
Perhaps that is not your thing, but there's more than plenty to do for us beside capping our 80s.
ps. though it scared me that 1 hour after the launch some guy got his skinning capped.
Perhaps that is not your thing, but there's more than plenty to do for us beside capping our 80s.
ps. though it scared me that 1 hour after the launch some guy got his skinning capped.
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It's only five levels, what did you expect? We have worgen and goblins to level, new race/class combo's to try out. Professions to up, quests to do, gearing up to do, new instances to try out... the emphasis of this expansion is hardly on leveling content for formerly level capped characters like it was in the two previous expansions.
Perhaps that is not your thing, but there's more than plenty to do for us beside capping our 80s.
ps. though it scared me that 1 hour after the launch some guy got his skinning capped.
Perhaps that is not your thing, but there's more than plenty to do for us beside capping our 80s.
ps. though it scared me that 1 hour after the launch some guy got his skinning capped.
Leveling leisurely is for alts.
He took an hour, slacker. Its freakin skinning, the insane respawn rates of skinnable mobs in the starter zones alone is ridiculous. Even if he had to leave one of those zones most skinnable mobs are push overs compared to other mobs. Skinningn is the easiest profession to level hands down.
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When they are starting the arena season in 1 week from launch, and you have 3 characters you want to be doing arena with initially, you kind of need not to have to take so long to level.
My only character that I have started leveling is 81. I still aim to level at least another character to 85 before the season starts.
It will be a long weekend :)
My only character that I have started leveling is 81. I still aim to level at least another character to 85 before the season starts.
It will be a long weekend :)
As for constructive comments on this topic: I don't feel like leveling is going too fast or slow so far (at level 83.1 atm) the quests are entertaining and they flow nicely, I'm just waiting for some spectacular phasing to happen like in Icecrown.
The only gripe I have with leveling so far is that the leveling path is very narrow and doesn't give much opportunity to avoid the masses. (or PvP, but I like that part)
The only gripe I have with leveling so far is that the leveling path is very narrow and doesn't give much opportunity to avoid the masses. (or PvP, but I like that part)
Not everybody can sink 4-8 hrs of play per day. At this rate, you will level fast for sure.
I've only done about 10 quests in Hyjal, the rest of the time I've been doing Archaeology. And I'm about a bar from hitting level 82 at skill level 270. I will have to go finish Hyjal though, because my gear will be nowhere good enough to head to the next zone.
I don't mind the quick level up. It definitely gives me hope that I will be able to get all 14 of my 80s to 85, as well as leveling up the many new alts I have. Leveling up IS the ONLY thing for me! Getting character levels, or leveling up professions-that is MY game, and it looks good! :)
I don't mind the quick level up. It definitely gives me hope that I will be able to get all 14 of my 80s to 85, as well as leveling up the many new alts I have. Leveling up IS the ONLY thing for me! Getting character levels, or leveling up professions-that is MY game, and it looks good! :)
It only takes about a million exp to get to 81 and 82, after that leveling slows down dramatically. It takes 4,004,000 to get to 83, and I'm sure the last two levels increase quite a bit as well. I'm currently halfway through 82, and it does seem a lot faster comparatively speaking than Northrend did. Blizz designed the game so that it takes roughly the same amount of time to get to 85 as it did to get to 80. I think they probably dropped the ball on that, but I'm certainly not complaining. As much as I enjoy leveling, I enjoy end game stuff a lot more and I'm very excited to start raiding in a week or two.
I don't find the leveling much faster than Northrend, especially for those people that logged in at midnight and got ahead of the curve (a few in my guild were some of the first 10 to hit 83 and head to deepholm, one of which was our server-first 85 paladin). If you quest efficiently and know the little tricks for the random quests you will be ahead of the pack in terms of leveling speed, as always. I played for about 8 hours yesterday and I am about 3/4 of the way to 83 (I finished all of the quests in Hyjal and am about 25 quests into Deepholm + 25turn ins at launch + 3-4 runs of BRC).
I'm fine with the fast leveling, I guess I just misunderstood what Blizzard was aiming for with this expansion. I thought the idea was to slow it down so there wasn't as much pressure on them to put something new out quickly.
With players maxed within a week, now people are going to want to start doing normals...then heroics..then raids. And for those that are very good at these things, I'm sure that they will blaze through the content quickly.
My understanding was that they wanted to bring back the focus on things like crowd control, not pulling entire groups of mobs at one time, but I with the speed of the game the way it is I don't see that happeneing. I'm still not having much problem taking on 3 mobs solo at a time (though saw plenty of others who were), just drop totems, pop one or two cool downs and dps them down. If I feel up to it I pull 2 more mobs with the group, pop bloodlust and summon dog dogs and have a blast. Half the time random NPCs jump in and help anyways - i get full xp and loots when they do.
In any case, I'm fine with it being fast leveling, and I'm aiming to do some instances today to see if they are different than WotLK. I just misunderstood what their intention was, I thought they didn't want people to get realm first within 24 hours. I thought they wanted it to take longer.
Though, maybe I'll shoot for realm first in archeology - now THAT is a time sink.
With players maxed within a week, now people are going to want to start doing normals...then heroics..then raids. And for those that are very good at these things, I'm sure that they will blaze through the content quickly.
My understanding was that they wanted to bring back the focus on things like crowd control, not pulling entire groups of mobs at one time, but I with the speed of the game the way it is I don't see that happeneing. I'm still not having much problem taking on 3 mobs solo at a time (though saw plenty of others who were), just drop totems, pop one or two cool downs and dps them down. If I feel up to it I pull 2 more mobs with the group, pop bloodlust and summon dog dogs and have a blast. Half the time random NPCs jump in and help anyways - i get full xp and loots when they do.
In any case, I'm fine with it being fast leveling, and I'm aiming to do some instances today to see if they are different than WotLK. I just misunderstood what their intention was, I thought they didn't want people to get realm first within 24 hours. I thought they wanted it to take longer.
Though, maybe I'll shoot for realm first in archeology - now THAT is a time sink.
84-85 is 9 million but it can be done pretty quick.. the first person on my server was able to hit 85 in 10-12 hours.
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I guess I just misunderstood what Blizzard was aiming for with this expansion.I'm still not having much problem taking on 3 mobs solo at a time (though saw plenty of others who were), just drop totems, pop one or two cool downs and dps them down. If I feel up to it I pull 2 more mobs with the group, pop bloodlust and summon dog dogs and have a blast. Half the time random NPCs jump in and help anyways - i get full xp and loots when they do.
Devilwind wrote:
people are going to want to start doing normals...then heroics..then clear raids.
Edit: @RAW, I'm playing my hunter and my wolf can easily handle 4-5 mobs.
Edited, Dec 8th 2010 3:15pm by Aethien
I think the leveling is a bit fast, but I'm not complaining.
I thought I read somewhere, that they intended each level to take "a bit longer" or some such due to the fact there's only 5 levels to gain instead of 10 this time, that they wanted people to experience the content.
Well...
After logging on as soon as we got our games patched/updated, mom and I hit Vash'jir. We weren't making a rush for it, in fact we weren't even trying to level at all. We were just trying to get a new weapon as her character only had a i200 purple; she was getting frustrated at how long it was taking her to do Champion Seal dailies.
Well, not only did they fail to give a 2H weapon until 60+ quests into Vash'jir, but we also dinged 81 and got 25% of the next level even with being slowed down by various things like 500 people in the zone taking mobs out from under us, etc.
It only took us ~4 hours to ding 81+25%.
That's quite a bit faster than 70->71 was in Northrend with 2 people, esp with us not really knowing where to go or what to do and having to stop and read quest dialogue and fight other people. With BoAs, my normal 70-71 time is about 3 or so hours when there's no competition for mobs and when I know exactly what the quest wants and where to go.
But like I said, I'm not complaining: There are easily 700+ quests. I'll likely ding 85 with maybe a third of that done. That means the remaining quests will be done at level cap and will give ridiculous amounts of gold. lol. I like that.
I thought I read somewhere, that they intended each level to take "a bit longer" or some such due to the fact there's only 5 levels to gain instead of 10 this time, that they wanted people to experience the content.
Well...
After logging on as soon as we got our games patched/updated, mom and I hit Vash'jir. We weren't making a rush for it, in fact we weren't even trying to level at all. We were just trying to get a new weapon as her character only had a i200 purple; she was getting frustrated at how long it was taking her to do Champion Seal dailies.
Well, not only did they fail to give a 2H weapon until 60+ quests into Vash'jir, but we also dinged 81 and got 25% of the next level even with being slowed down by various things like 500 people in the zone taking mobs out from under us, etc.
It only took us ~4 hours to ding 81+25%.
That's quite a bit faster than 70->71 was in Northrend with 2 people, esp with us not really knowing where to go or what to do and having to stop and read quest dialogue and fight other people. With BoAs, my normal 70-71 time is about 3 or so hours when there's no competition for mobs and when I know exactly what the quest wants and where to go.
But like I said, I'm not complaining: There are easily 700+ quests. I'll likely ding 85 with maybe a third of that done. That means the remaining quests will be done at level cap and will give ridiculous amounts of gold. lol. I like that.
Like Pigtails said, the XP required ramps up after level 82.
Blizzard made the first two levels faster so that they could be done in either vashj'ir or Hyjal. They didn't want people to have to do both entrance zones, so it's essentially a way of keeping the population spread out.
Once you get out of the starting zones things are a bit more challenging. For instance, the mobs in Uldum are rough. Remember that the starting zones need to gear up the people who aren't full epic, so they have to be easier.
Blizzard made the first two levels faster so that they could be done in either vashj'ir or Hyjal. They didn't want people to have to do both entrance zones, so it's essentially a way of keeping the population spread out.
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Like Pigtails said, the XP required ramps up after level 82.
Blizzard made the first two levels faster so that they could be done in either vashj'ir or Hyjal. They didn't want people to have to do both entrance zones, so it's essentially a way of keeping the population spread out.
Once you get out of the starting zones things are a bit more challenging. For instance, the mobs in Uldum are rough. Remember that the starting zones need to gear up the people who aren't full epic, so they have to be easier.
Blizzard made the first two levels faster so that they could be done in either vashj'ir or Hyjal. They didn't want people to have to do both entrance zones, so it's essentially a way of keeping the population spread out.
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I am leveling a Prot Warrior (81) and I can take multiple mobs at the time with no whatsoever fear of dying. I was under the impression also that the mobs were supposed to hit harder.
If it does actually ramp up, then that's cool.
I kinda wish they didn't make us Paladins and Warriors wait until 60+ quests into Vash'jir to get a 2H weapon (let alone one with Strength) though.
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That's quite a bit faster than 70->71 was in Northrend
The 70-75 grind was the slowest I ever experienced.
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Lyrailis wrote:
I kinda wish they didn't make us Paladins and Warriors wait until 60+ quests into Vash'jir to get a 2H weapon (let alone one with Strength) though.
Go play FFXI if you want leveling to take forever.
It's more fun when it takes forever, right?
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Lyrailis wrote:
I kinda wish they didn't make us Paladins and Warriors wait until 60+ quests into Vash'jir to get a 2H weapon (let alone one with Strength) though.
Prot wants slow weapons now?
I know in LK they wanted fast weapons because HotR was based upon total DPS, not weapon damage. Did they change that and I just missed the memo?
I know they changed Judgments so that you no longer receive heals on each hit (which was part of the reason why Tankadins wanted fast weapons in the first place), but I didn't know they made Slow weapons better.
Either way, I remember seeing an axe with I think it was dodge rating, or was that parry rating? I forget. Blue Axe, near the beginning of Vash'jir IIRC.
Lyrailis wrote:
RAWDEAL wrote:
Lyrailis wrote:
I kinda wish they didn't make us Paladins and Warriors wait until 60+ quests into Vash'jir to get a 2H weapon (let alone one with Strength) though.
Prot wants slow weapons now?
I know in LK they wanted fast weapons because HotR was based upon total DPS, not weapon damage. Did they change that and I just missed the memo?
They said they were going to make levelling "feel more epic" with Cataclysm. I took that to mean that the levels were going to be a bit longer, and now I feel disappointed.
People shouldn't be hitting the max level in 5 hours (12 on my server). That's like a years worth of development time condensed down into a few hours.
On the same token, I think its silly they make the levels longer but also bump up xp gains at the same time. 2k per mob, 30k per quest, 70k per instance quest? Yikes.
People shouldn't be hitting the max level in 5 hours (12 on my server). That's like a years worth of development time condensed down into a few hours.
On the same token, I think its silly they make the levels longer but also bump up xp gains at the same time. 2k per mob, 30k per quest, 70k per instance quest? Yikes.
aside - I have always wondered why people open declarative statements with "I'm sorry,..." when they aren't sorry about it and really aren't making any apology. pet peeve I suppose...
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The 70-75 grind was the slowest I ever experienced.
For me, it was the levels in the 60s. You're in the deserted Outland and there is no one around, you're doing it all by yourself... minutes seem like hours.
In the old world, lower level content I was exploring last night (low/mid 30s) there were some people around. I got random group invites and drive-by guild invites, I saw other players doing the same quests as I was. It was like the old days! It's going to be a great time to be leveling up in Azeroth.
I had so much fun I'm thinking of just leaving my main at 80 and playing my alt up to 50 at least. Everyone else can rush to 85 and grind their teeth about how it's too easy for others to catch up to them... I'll join in later, but I'm having more fun with my alt now.
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