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#1 Nov 18 2010 at 9:45 PM Rating: Excellent
http://elitistjerks.com/blogs/koaschten/443-emulated_authenticator_edition.html

Very little reason to get hacked with a tool like this, this work-around should be relatively safe (or at least safer than not having one) from hackers/trojans/etc.


Basically you emulate the android OS and run the authenticator app while it is emulated.




edit: changed title.

Edited, Nov 18th 2010 10:46pm by Anobix
#2 Nov 18 2010 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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As much as I don't like Android, this is awesome.
#3 Nov 18 2010 at 10:00 PM Rating: Default
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Though not a supporter of the Authenticator (Big supporter of Darwinism), I will mention that the Android Emulator can be downloaded completely free in Google's dev kit, on Google's website, ---REGARDLESS OF OS--- unlike Apple's dev kit.
I mention this because some people JUST don't like following links.
#4 Nov 18 2010 at 10:02 PM Rating: Good
That's an awesome find, but I thought the main issue with having an authenticator on the computer itself would be that a keylogger could just get the code from the on-board authenticator?

I mean, it's still obviously safer than no authenticator at all, but does this resolve that issue? I don't know enough about emulators.
#5 Nov 18 2010 at 10:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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IDrownFish wrote:
That's an awesome find, but I thought the main issue with having an authenticator on the computer itself would be that a keylogger could just get the code from the on-board authenticator?

I mean, it's still obviously safer than no authenticator at all, but does this resolve that issue? I don't know enough about emulators.


Well, if you had a program downloadable in standard .exe format, said program could be infected with a virus, or, reverse-engineered to attempt to figure out how the Authenticator Works.

However, if you _emulate_ the Android OS, and run software that is only executable by Android, I have serious doubts that it could be infected with a virus (the emulator itself? yeah, but the Authenticator App? Doubt it).

It could theoretically be done, but how many hackers would be capable of hacking into your computer, getting through the emulator (or trying to open up the ROM files themselves) just to get the authenticator codes or what-not?

It'd be much simpler to execute a man-in-the-middle attack (which works on ALL Authenticators except over-the-phone), I'd think.

Edit: Doing my best to resist the urge to get drug into another discussion about the Authenticator with jaysgsl...

Edited, Nov 18th 2010 11:13pm by Lyrailis
#6 Nov 18 2010 at 10:55 PM Rating: Good
Good to know. I had thought that was how emulators work, though I wasn't quite sure.

Thanks for the clarification.

Edited, Nov 19th 2010 1:22am by IDrownFish
#7 Nov 18 2010 at 11:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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jaysgsl wrote:
Though not a supporter of the Authenticator (Big supporter of Darwinism), I will mention that the Android Emulator can be downloaded completely free in Google's dev kit, on Google's website, ---REGARDLESS OF OS--- unlike Apple's dev kit.
I mention this because some people JUST don't like following links.

You mention Apple because they totally talked about how Apple's dev kit can't be downloaded in that thread, not because you're a hater.

I feel this is appropriate in this scenario so that we can get back to the thread at hand:

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#8 Nov 19 2010 at 1:55 AM Rating: Good
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Word of warning, uninstalling and reinstalling the blizzard application will cause you to have to contact customer support to get the old authenticator key taken off your account.

This happened to me after upgrading the mobile system XD. Guessing its the same for Apple as well :)

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#9 Nov 19 2010 at 3:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
jaysgsl wrote:
Though not a supporter of the Authenticator (Big supporter of Darwinism), I will mention that the Android Emulator can be downloaded completely free in Google's dev kit, on Google's website, ---REGARDLESS OF OS--- unlike Apple's dev kit.
I mention this because some people JUST don't like following links.

You mention Apple because they totally talked about how Apple's dev kit can't be downloaded in that thread, not because you're a hater.

I feel this is appropriate in this scenario so that we can get back to the thread at hand:

Actually, I mention it so I can save people the effort of downloading the iScam devkit for the Apple version of the app (For whatever reason they'd want to do that) to be disappointed.
Didn't even read the linked thread, just saw "Android" "App" and "Emulate" and figured I'd mention how free and easy it is to get for the people interested.

Edited, Nov 19th 2010 2:35am by jaysgsl
#10 Nov 19 2010 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
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Another thought occurred to me:

Doesn't the Authenticator work by some function of Time vs The Serial Number?

Otherwise, how does the server know what code the Authenticator should spit out at any given time?

Usually, an authenticator keychain or the phones will have their times hard-wired or something, but I assume the emulator would use the PC's time?

What if the user gets a dead mobo battery, or for some reason decides to change the PC's time/date? Wouldn't the Android emulator use the new (and wrong) PC's time to generate faulty Authenticator codes?

Or does the Android constantly update itself over the internet with military clocks and the like, and the emulator itself would do the same?
#11 Nov 19 2010 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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jaysgsl wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
jaysgsl wrote:
Though not a supporter of the Authenticator (Big supporter of Darwinism), I will mention that the Android Emulator can be downloaded completely free in Google's dev kit, on Google's website, ---REGARDLESS OF OS--- unlike Apple's dev kit.
I mention this because some people JUST don't like following links.

You mention Apple because they totally talked about how Apple's dev kit can't be downloaded in that thread, not because you're a hater.

I feel this is appropriate in this scenario so that we can get back to the thread at hand:

Actually, I mention it so I can save people the effort of downloading the iScam devkit for the Apple version of the app (For whatever reason they'd want to do that) to be disappointed.
Didn't even read the linked thread, just saw "Android" "App" and "Emulate" and figured I'd mention how free and easy it is to get for the people interested.

Edited, Nov 19th 2010 2:35am by jaysgsl


No one even remotely suggested that.

Oh and $99 to become a developer... What a scam!!! I hate free distribution networks and quality controlled os environments.
#12REDACTED, Posted: Nov 19 2010 at 11:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You damn iScam fanatics just won't shut up about your junk devices.
#13 Nov 19 2010 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's like a reverse Singdall.

I don't understand that anger here at all. Did jobs kick your dog or something?

Edited, Nov 19th 2010 12:05pm by Xsarus
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#14REDACTED, Posted: Nov 19 2010 at 12:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I try to help people out by explaining how to get the required software for this 'trick' and telling them that they can't get it through the other popular means of a mobile authenticator, and the iScam fanboys rush in and berate me for it.
#15 Nov 19 2010 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
jaysgsl wrote:
I try to help people out by explaining how to get the required software for this 'trick' and telling them that they can't get it through the other popular means of a mobile authenticator, and the iScam fanboys rush in and berate me for it.
One of the WORKS for Apple, so it's obvious why he's so defensive of them, but the other is just some loser that doesn't realise what a trap he's in with that company.


I don't understand what you mean about the 'iScam' fanboys thing. I own (and built) dozens of computers and work in IT fixing PCs, at home I have 2 PCs that I built and a macbook. It hardly makes me a fanboy for it. I also have an iPhone (that I think is awesome - I love jailbreaking it and customizing it and I've had better luck with AT&T than Verizon in my area.) I don't really care about a $99 developer cost though.

I don't see why you have to call their products an iScam, they are what they are and people will buy them. I don't buy accessories for them as they are crazily overpriced, but I buy my RAM/etc from other vendors and install it myself.
#16 Nov 19 2010 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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While I tend to dislike Apple products myself, I'm not being a jerk about it, like you (meaning Jaysgsl) are.

Jaysgsl, you tend to spew hate and anger out of your keyboard at ridiculous quantities. I've heard of judgmental and opinionated people, but jeez. Did you ever consider having a career as one of those guys who does nothing but rant on the radio or a TV show? You'd probably get ratings with drivel like this.

However, on a forum, where there is direct interaction between you and your fellow posters, it isn't so well-received.

Like I said, I dislike Apple products myself, but I don't offend people who choose to use them. Yes, $99 just to develop software is overpriced when you can easily go to "the other side" and do the same for practically free if you got the know-how. Yes, Apple's hardware is vastly overpriced, considering you can get the same for cheaper on "the other side".

Yes, all of that is true. But, there's no need to be a jerk about it, there's no need for the insults, and there's no need for the curse-words (yes, using an acronym like PoS is cussing, as everyone knows what the "S" stands for. You're not fooling anyone here).

Try being a little more polite, try learning how to speak with some tact, take public speaking lessons or something, but jeez. If you disagree with something, or you don't like a product, try to remember that some others might disagree with you. That's all good and fine, but when you start going on long-winded rants about why you think something sucks, and those who use that something suck, then don't whine when people shoot you down for it.

Pointing out the free version of the emulator was OK, but going on a long-winded rant about Apple and "iScam" is not. Say your piece, and move on. We don't need a dissertation (one of your many, many, many rants) on why you think "X" sucks.

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I don't see why you have to call their products an iScam, they are what they are and people will buy them.


QFT.

A "Scam" is when you trick people, and either steal their money outright, or give them a lesser-quality product than what you advertised. If Apple were advertising a computer with 8GB and actually gave you a machine with 2GB RAM for the same price, that's a scam. But last I heard, they haven't resorted to that sort of thing, so I doubt they are guilty of "Scamming".

Ripoff? Maybe. YMMV.

Scamming? Definitely not. They tell you exactly what comes in the package if you read the specs. It is the buyer's choice whether or not to pay those prices, and I'd have to say that Macs are potentially better than some of the PC Factory Pre-makes and not everyone feels like (or knows how to) build their own computer from parts. Building your own is always cheaper and the most cost-effective way to go, but it requires more work.

But then, baking a cake is the same way. Baking your own cake is a lot of work. Buying a cake already baked is going to cost a lot more, and might be slightly less quality, but it will save you a hell of a lot of time and work.

Edited, Nov 19th 2010 2:27pm by Lyrailis
#17REDACTED, Posted: Nov 19 2010 at 1:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, the general idea of a scam is to get more money out of people than the product or service is actually worth.
#18 Nov 19 2010 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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jaysgsl wrote:
Well, the general idea of a scam is to get more money out of people than the product or service is actually worth.
Substitutable terms are rip-off, gip (though that one could be considered racist), and burn.


Scamming is tricking people, by making them believe what they are buying is better than what you're actually giving them. I've read Apple's advertisements, they tell you exactly what's in the box, so they are not scammers. Ripoffs? Maybe, but YMMV. Read my edit above.

You're confusing Scamming with Ripoff. They are NOT the same. And it is the BUYER who determines what something is "worth". To me, the Macs are not worth their asking price. But then, I have the know-how to build my own computers. Someone who doesn't know how to build their own computers, and doesn't want to risk it, or someone who has no friends that know how, they will compare a Mac to a Dell, HP, etc. Then, you got an interesting comparison; I'd actually say the Mac wins in that competition.

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There's not a single Apple product that offers the production values, feature set, and price point of its competitors.


Who are Mac's competitors? Dell? HP? Pfft. You know how many people I've known who had these? You know how many of them sucked for the price they paid for them?
#19REDACTED, Posted: Nov 19 2010 at 1:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Actually, iEverthings are very often advertised as the 'best' out of their competitors. That's a pretty tough claim to make when your product is:
#20 Nov 19 2010 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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jaysgsl wrote:
Edit: I had said my piece, I didn't keep on the subject until Theo and Jord started defending something they had no business defending.

It's really funny that I wake up to you spewing crap about Apple after I make one post on the subject.

You've made five (5) posts on the subject by the way, Jord and I have made one each. Seems like you're the one that's either over-aggressive or over-defensive.

For what it's worth, you've made posts in the past that while I didn't understand, I respected. Seems to me that you don't have the same perspective.

If you want to be Sub-Defaulted in every post, that's your business, but you're displaying an irrational rage against inanimate objects and the people who buy them.
#21 Nov 19 2010 at 1:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Everything advertises as the best option. Again, why the anger? Who cares if apple computers are more expensive, lots of things are more expensive. Different brands set their prices at different levels, how is this a problem?

I think jay is reading posts that the rest of us can't see, because otherwise his responses make no sense at all.

Edited, Nov 19th 2010 1:53pm by Xsarus
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#22 Nov 19 2010 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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jaysgsl wrote:
Actually, iEverthings are very often advertised as the 'best' out of their competitors. That's a pretty tough claim to make when your product is:


Can you name one merchant that doesn't claim to be the best of anything?

My point is, a "Scam" is when a merchant tells you facts (not his personal biased opinion that everyone has) about his merchandise that are simply not true.

Say you go to a car dealership, and you listen to their drivel about why their cars are the best. The guy says that his car can do 150 MPH on a straight, flat stretch of road. You take the car out, you gun it, and the car will only do 90MPH in the highest gear, pedal to the floor, perfectly flat and straight stretch of road. You got scammed. Or he said that the car comes with an MP3 CD Player, but you take it home, stick an MP3 CD in it, and find out that it doesn't work, because it is a normal CD Player. That's a scam. Or he said it comes with airbags, but you wreck the car and find out that the airbags simply weren't present. That's a scam.

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More expensive
Has less features
Is made with the same plastic
Has less power
Is less versatile
I'd say that claiming any ONE of the above, and not delivering, is scamming.


More Expensive? You knew that before you bought it.

Has Less Features? Depends on what features you were looking for -- the Features are clearly labeled on the box/advertisement before you bought it. If you buy it knowing what features it has, it is not a scam.

"Is made with the same plastic". How do you know? Are you a chemist? Did you scrape off a piece of its plastic and melt it down to its components and compare it, molecule by molecule? Did you read anywhere where a chemist did the same? Did Apple ever advertise using a different plastic?

"Has Less Power" Again, the specifications are cleanly listed for your reading before you buy it. You get exactly what's listed there. No Scam.

"Is Less Versatile". That's an opinion. Scams are made when someone lies about facts.
#23 Nov 19 2010 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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jaysgsl wrote:
Actually, iEverthings are very often advertised as the 'best' out of their competitors. That's a pretty tough claim to make when your product is:
More expensive
Has less features
Is made with the same plastic
Has less power
Is less versatile
I'd say that claiming any ONE of the above, and not delivering, is scamming.

I don't know how you can say that and be objective, really.

Apple computers can do literally everything that a PC can. If anything, it has more features (since Mas OS X isn't licensed for sale to install on a PC), since it has the ability to boot to any OS.
#24 Nov 19 2010 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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Apple computers can do literally everything that a PC can. If anything, it has more features (since Mas OS X isn't licensed for sale to install on a PC), since it has the ability to boot to any OS.


Assuming you get the Intel-based Macs, right?

Last I heard, their proprietary hardware still cannot run Windows OS or any other x86-based software (without an emulator), or did they scrap their own proprietary CPUs, and move entirely over to Intel-compatible?
#25 Nov 19 2010 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Lyrailis wrote:
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Apple computers can do literally everything that a PC can. If anything, it has more features (since Mas OS X isn't licensed for sale to install on a PC), since it has the ability to boot to any OS.


Assuming you get the Intel-based Macs, right?

Last I heard, their proprietary hardware still cannot run Windows OS or any other x86-based software (without an emulator), or did they scrap their own proprietary CPUs, and move entirely over to Intel-compatible?

I have no idea about the A4 (chip used in iOS devices), but I have no idea why you'd want to run a full OS on a mobile platform.

All Apple computers use Intel now (and have been for years), making them able to run any OS.
#26 Nov 19 2010 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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All Apple computers use Intel now (and have been for years), making them able to run any OS.


Ahh, I see.

That was my question. I didn't know that they fully switched over to Intel; last I heard there were still some of their own chips out there, what were they called? PPC or something like that?

Does that mean that Mac OS is now compatible with any Intel-based system, and you could simply obtain a copy and install it on any PC, or does it still require some of their hardware to run?

Just curious. I'm not really into piracy unless absolutely necessary (abandonware and the like), I was mainly curious.

Edited, Nov 19th 2010 3:07pm by Lyrailis
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