30% HP nerf to all TBC raid monsters (including bosses) in 3Follow

Keep in mind there's a slew of assorted nerfs going in as well, including potion sickness.

Thanks, that makes sense.
I'm glad for the nerf, simply because it means I'll get to go visit all those raids that I never got to, having been away from WoW for most of BC.

Great...raiding is going to be EZ mode once the patch comes out.

GDI, I got enough crap over being in BT without having been attuned. Now this? I mean sure I'm going to get to see the encounters, but there is going to be like, no sense of accomplishment in it at all.

I feel worse for all the SWP people.

Remember, this is going in /with all the mechanic changes/.
Potion sickness. Nerfed shadowpriest vampiric thingy. Tinnitus (unless they removed it again). Divine plea before all the QQing got it rebalanced. A massive morphing of everybody's gear literally overnight - even if crushing is going away, a lot of tanks will be crittable again. And no one will have access to the 51-point talents that the new endgame is being balanced for.
Before this nerf, I was going to lobby my guild to go onto a crash raiding schedule to hit new content before it became impossible for a tier-appropriate raid to handle. Fights longer than about five minutes are going to be roadblocks because of mana management problems, at least during the adjustment period until the full LK release.
Sure, it'll make going back to SWP even more trivial at 80 than it would have been before, but that's not what it's about. It's about the four weeks from 10/13 - 11/14, and making it possible for raiding to happen at all during that time.

What exactly is "Potion Sickness"?

Why did Potions need a nerf in the first place, at Lv70, Super Health Potions are already useless, they heal lol2500, but every person I've seen, even in a "lesser-geared" Karazhan Raid has at least 8k.

Hell, I'm a tank and mobs that I'd actually use a potion while fighting hit me for 1500+. Wow, one hit worth.

That needed a nerf? *rolls eyes* Give me a break already.

Yeah, but as a side effect, Health Potions are going to get nerfed too.

What I wish they'd do, is buff Health Potions to make them anywhere near as useful to Warriors, Rogues, and Hunters are Mana Potions are to any Mana-user. In TBC, at Lv70, Health Potions should heal at least 5k, if not 8k. Once per 2 minute use, we should get a lot more mileage out of them. Hopefully Health potions in WoTLK will actually be useful. Doubt it, though.

Okay, so you named 1 thing they are good for: Melee (who exactly melees? A Rogue or a DPS Warrior... two classes. Enhancement Shamans can heal themselves).

Chugging the Potion will help you a little, but face it, 1500-2500 is not going to hold you for long.

Still think the pots should heal more than they do...

Even still, it is kinda dumb that Health Potions have 1 and 1 only real use, of Melee DPSers.

Otherwise, the amount they heal is far, far too low which has been my point for the last 3 posts. Since you've yet to give me any reason why they shouldn't heal more, I'm going to let it go at that. If they healed more, they would be more useful to Tanks (hell yes. I'm tired of healers being late on their heals for whatever reason, and having nothing to fall back on other than Shield Block (which helps, but eh. I kinda need more), Shield Wall (once per 30 minutes), or a Potion (one hit), or any combination of the above.

Or, then, there's solo. I'm a Warrior, and when I go towards Lv80, I hate it that there's next to nothing a Warrior can do, to get out of a "Oh crap I'm going to die" moment... no Feign Death, no Vanish, no Mana Potion + Heal Heal Heal Heal and outlast your mobs, none of that. It would be nice if potions healed more than 3-5 seconds worth of normal melee combat, to be honest.

Well there's Shadowmeld, assuming it really will be an "aggro-wipe" (only if you're the last one standing, which would always be the case in Solo play, unless they are silly enough to not let it work Solo), and there's running away, but sometimes running away... just doesn't work.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2008 5:29pm by Zariamnk

There is absolutely no way to make Health Potions as useful to melee (or tanks) as Mana Potions are to casters.

If they heal for a significant amount (like... your entire HP bar) then maybe, but otherwise they're going be about as good as one heal from a raid-geared healer. There really is no middle ground between "so good it completely obliterates any solo balance" and "so bad that they're almost never worth using except in very unusual circumstances", like extreme burst damage (Felmyst's Encapsulate) and even then as a DPS you're better off with a Arcane Protection Potion.

The equivalent to Mana Potions for tanks are Ironshield Potions (+2500 armor for 2m) and for Melee DPS it's Haste Potions. If you're actually using healing potions as a tank I really don't know what to say except you shouldn't be.