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Then what's the problem with it? I don't see it.



The last time I hit Premed > Ambush > Gouge > Coldblood > Evisc.

Though my rogue is only level 62, so the mages I'm fighting probably have more like 4.5k HP, but I'll still be able to do this at 70 to those 6k HP mages.

Nothing! But Azatodeth said we had all those abilities that made os overpowered if we also had good DPS and tanking abilities. Flight Form is a neutral ability. We don't suddenly get overpowered in raids or battlegrounds because of it.



Well, Druids don't have Premeditation, Ambush (Ravage? but not the crit modifier), Gouge (Maim, but wait, it requires combo points, it doesn't give one) nor Cold Blood.

Nerf Rogues?

Edited, Feb 25th 2007 1:01pm by Mazra

I'm currently playing a Nightelf Druid on EU-Balnazzar and even though we can heal, we can dispel poisons, we can tank, we can dps, we can do alot of things.. We can't do it all at once.

Sure, with all my talents so far in cat-improvement in feral, and alot of ninjaing rogue gear over nearly 4-5 months I can solo elites up to 4 levels above me with relative ease (I die every now and then because my stuns and roots are resisted) and this brings me a lot of xp.

But here's the clue, see...

If we want to level, resto is pointless. If you don't have resto.. how the hell are you gonna find a party? Tanking. Tanking is our way to get into a party. Because we don't have plate armor and we don't have a shield, we are stuck with leather and bearform. the +450% armor was a blessing for this, the +25% hp was also great. Now it's being nerfed. You know what that means? That means that we get an even harder time finding a spot in an instance, and also by soloing mobs and/or quests.

Why bring a druid as a healer if he isn't resto? He can combat res but only every 30min and it takes a reagent. DAAARGH!

If Blizz used their heads for a second they should take a look at the mage and warlock classes and see if they don't need abit of a nerf.

Sure I can resist fear and seduce, but they immediately recast it and last time i checked the 5k shadowbolt crits will kill me pretty fast, so the 5min cooldown is abit of a pain. That's warlocks. Oh yes, they can also summon pets while sapped, thats fair is it?

Another handy little thing is the Mage. They got a mana shield so you can't touch em on first hit, they got 12 second cooldown on blink (i think), they got several slowing spells, damage over time as a product of a skyhigh crit (and one of them now also FEARS for 3 sec), they can conjure their own water and portals and even a mana stone. They can go invisible for six seconds and range-frost a rogue before nuking him into the next expansion pack and Warriors, they can be kited and killed solely by using Rank 1 Frostbolt.

I crit a mage with my warrior for 2.8k with Mortal Strike, but he didn't lose ANY HP! Then he blinks off (usually dragging the immobilizing effect with him/her and sheeps me. Then I get a slow cast for about 4k on me, if i resist some or live through it i immediately get a frostbolt for 3k. if i still dont die, i get a 1.8k instant. I'm dead by then.


And druids are the ones in need of a nerf?

Someone has to stand up for the warriors here.



I happen to be the lucky owner of a 65 undead warrior, and I have to say, this is a load of crap. If you can't out-tank a druid, you're either quite a few levels lower, or you're doing something wrong. I will agree on the paladin part, but hey, paladin is EZmode of World Of Warcraft.

As for the DPS part, same thing. I can out-dps a combat-rogue 2 levels higher than me in most 5-man instances, and usually end up as second after a mage in raids. Warriors can do wicked dps.

And if you think its the gear, well, you can check it out here: http://ctprofiles.net/3860435

Edited, Feb 25th 2007 10:12pm by Colphin

Enh, my brother has 24k unbuffed with gear that he's gotten since BC came out in a no-more-than-average guild. That's his tanking gear; he can get up to 26k unbuffed if he goes pure AC gear.

When Druids can get 42k armor raid-buffed (see http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1430/armor1gl2.jpg), there needs to be something changed. That's a MT of a raiding guild on Azshara.

Either way, there's no way a Warrior could possibly get that much armor.

As far as Mangle goes, I've been crit multiple times for 2.5k+ and once or twice for 3k+. That's getting to the point of rediculous, when a tanking class can crit for as much as a Hunter/Rogue/Mage and still have over four times the armor of said classes.

Oh, and that's on mail. I'd hate to see what those numbers would look like on cloth.

For 5 seconds max, then Inspiration drops off, ancestral fortitude drops off, that paladin things drops off, his trinket wears off, and he's back at 24K like normal people.

"Hey guys, because these other classes had poorly designed abilities that give exponential returns on armor, we can get a very big number in a screenshot by spamming heals till they crit, popping 15-second trinkets, and generally eliminating all other potential. NERF DRUIDS!"

If his AC is so high...

...Why did the Paladin to cast Lay on Hands on him? =P

Seriously though, no one 2 shots bare druids. Not even AP Pom Pyro mages 2 shot bare druids.

warlock change was acceptable, and i'm a lock...a dest lock (like most of us good raiding locks)

Warlock change contributes to nothing but breaking down Demonology's viability for raids and grinding.

And you've got some balls raiding with destro, I hope your soulshatter is never resisted or you're an instant corpse.

I agree that this sucks. Bit by bit all the fun features of the game are being removed. Unfortunately I expect we only have other players to blame. Someone, lacking the common sense of an apple core, always has to find a way to abuse game mechanics. And for Blizzard to take this kind of action I’d be willing to bet they were doing it in PvP. I understand that Blizzard is walking a tightrope between PvE and PvP, but the fact remains that 90% of the fun aspects removed from this game have been done so because of PvP. Oh well, that’s virtual life.



You mean like druids? No thank you. I can live without that kind of loving. Thank you very much.

Any news about item changes...my eyes are now bleeding from reading through 50 or more posts about how circus bears suck now. I just want to know some things the rest of us can use, like did they nerf the Teron Gorefiend helmet rewards or not?

Is it just me or does it seem Blizzard just keeps trying to typecast Priests into a Healer Role? The nerf of VE works out like this for me, 5% on a 800 MindBlast is a loss of 40HP, on MindFlay about 25HP. Considering I usually throw a mindblast, 2 flays then another blast in sequence, that's about 130 less HP healed from VE not including any crit heals! That 5% nerf and 0% crit chance really screws the somewhat limited benefit of VE.

Don't get me wrong VE is NOT the end all be all of healing. VE was great for Soloing and helped a bit when playing in a party tearing up trash mobs until you get to the boss though. Once at the boss, any Priest worth there weight in cloth armor should switch to healing IMO. Don't flame me, it's MY OPINION and as such nothing you say will change MY mind. Even in PvP, Alterac Valley specifically, I'm in ShadowForm until we get to the Horde General where I start spaming heals on anyone that needs it as fast as I can! Makes it go SOOO much faster when the tanks and other DPS'ers stay alive longer :)

Just seems like Blizzard is always nerfing the Shadow Tree. Last time it was SW:Pain and now it's VE and "Silent Resolve". Why whould SR ignore shadow spells? Only thing I can think of is because of Shadow Affinity, but if a priest wants to throw 8 talent point into getting both then it should stack. Seems like it makes the Disc tree even more usless for a Shadow Priest.

"Mass Dispel" is a lvl 70 spell so it really only effects those at end game and as I'm a 59 Shadow Priest, I can't comment on it other than to say it looks like it's perfect to debuff a bubbled pally trying to heal :)

Wonder if next month's membership payment will come with a bottle of KY because it seems like we are always getting rammed.

- Azoth