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Warriors build hate on threat levels, Druids build hate on damage done. It needs to be changed.

What is considered a snare effect? Something that slows you down? Like hamstring or wingclip?

I like how this posts is completely devoid of "I'm playing a level 70 warrior". Rather, it's based completely on everything pre-BC. So, it doesn't apply to anything discussed in this thread, at all. This patch and the changes were intended to fix end-game and high-level imbalances.

The experience professed in the post so flagrantly follows a long line poor logic that stupidly refers to a state in the game that no longer exists as a reference to current balance, with the current talents, and the current gear, and the current level cap, and the current instances and class progression. No, none of that comes into the equation.

Just another sock who can't understand how the game works while they preach their opinion. I especially liked the "omg I'm so good at warrior" tyrade. Ignorance is bliss, and this guy is completely blissful. I laugh at the "6 months of level 60, nobody could ever beat me!" schtick. On a PvE server, were you?

I don't want to hear some idiot congratulating himself on a mediocre level 60 and telling me I don't know how to play my 70 warrior. Do you have experience in the gameplay balance at level 70 as a warrior? No? So who the fu[red][/red]ck do you think you're talking to? Judging by your post, you don't even know how to trinket competently.

You talk big for somebody who has 0 credibility.

I'm going to take a step back to the original point of the thread which was all PTR changes, not just the druid/warrior stuff. And one of the unlisted changes was Forbearance adding -15% damage dealt. Thankfully, they realized how dumb of an idea that is and have now removed it from the PTR (or so I've been told).

I can see how in 2v2 a 2 pally team might be overpowered, but that was not a well-thought out fix.

I admittedly was looking forward to being able to grief same-faction players who pissed me off by using BoP on them and reducing their damage output.

wouldn't we all...

And therin lies the seed of argument in this thread. Allow me to sum it up:

If druids are as strong as their parents' classes they become too powerful in a situation where they can shift forms/gear on the fly, pvp. Thus druids need to be nerfed below them. PvP view.

If druids are not as strong as their parent classes, then in pve the better class will be picked, because idiots don't understand they should be looking for the better player. That means that druids won't be picked for tanking, dps, or magic dps but will instead be grabbed for healing, because the idiots who claim to be "hardcore" almost universally seem to think the solution to any fight is to throw more healers at it. Also because the leaders of said hardcore guilds are often not healers, so don't mind if we take those jobs. If druids are made as strong as their parent classes, with different balancing in the strengths (as we've already seen in healing between druids and priests, or in dps between rogues and kitties), then the best player will get picked, and we get a reward for being the best we can instead of being told we'd be in end-game now if we'd specced healer and slept through raids. Unable to change gear in-combat, druids are unlikely to play more than one role in a fight, and less likely to be strong at all of them in the same fight. Thus druids' shifting abilities don't coe into play in pve. PvE view.

So, which wins? PvP or PvE? The first step is acknowledging that in the current state you can't support both. In the current form, if druids are competitive in PvP they'll be ignored as "weak" in PvE. If up-to-par in PvE they'll be overpowered in PvP. People's stance on this issue will depend on their preferences for this game, and how can we call either stance wrong?

Think about that before you become so attached to one view you ignore all information about the other.

Shared cooldown for DS and AW was also a fairly stupid-sounding idea. I say stupid-sounding b/c I can almost see the logic, but the power of AW is ok for a 3 minute CD but rather underwhelming on a 5 minute cooldown. But bubble would be overwhelming on a 3 minute CD.

I'm glad to hear that it got cancelled as well. So is the only remaining change on this topic that AW no longer causes forbearance or did that get cancelled as well?

Edited, Feb 28th 2007 3:14pm by Riggy

The only change is the one listed on page 1.



That's all for this patch. It also means that Avenging Wrath's duration is staying the same, though.

Shield block does not negate dmg, it negates crits and crushing blows and "slightly" mitigates dmg. (unless you are like rpzip's GM and have close to 700 block, please share his gear and spec zip cause that is freaking amazing)



I has to be since the higher level you get the more AC you need to get the same mitigation. I had around 6k armor pre patch which granted me roughly 55% mitigation. Now I have 11k armor which grats me 51% mitigation.



Learn to get your facts straight before you make a ranting post about how little someone else knows.

I'd also like to see this, i can only assume its with the Auto-Blocker trinket use ability active because i'm running around with roughly 450 passive block value and basically the best pieces for block value excepting the Auto-Blocker, panzer'thar and maybe the bracers from atumen/heroic ramparts. Those would put me at the 550 mark so i really can't see how he can get up to 700 passive block value.

Armoury link, its up to date at the moment, but no doubt you'll catch me with a riding crop at some point.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2007 3:59pm by Muggins