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#77 Jan 10 2007 at 3:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Another thing I want to comment on is your statements about taking the account back and whether you should pay him back for it. What? So you are not only an idiot for selling your account, but you are a worthless thief planning on taking it back? Without paying for it? Paying half? lol.

You getting the account back should be up to the person you sold to...not you, you idiot. He posses it now. He should have the secret question and answer and have you out of his business. The fact that you did not make the necessary account changes that any intelligent person would do in transferring something like this is your own fault, not his.

I am against this kind of thing happening in the first place...but...Should you pay him? Yes. Whatever he wants to charge...if he wants to. It is his account since you sold it to him and speaking ethically here...you should get the F out and leave him alone. You screwed up and now you want to take it back...and are considering stiffing him for it on top of that? What a low-life. Oh, and your comments about his credit card not being accepted initially are stupid for you to make...stuff happens...but it sounds like you got your money...so stfu and live with your bad decisions...selling in the first place and not changing the account info (DUH!).


This pretty much covers it. I was aggrivated slightly that you wanted your account back, after you'd already broke the rules by selling. But fair enough, you want it back, I can deal with that without ranting.

Asking people, (which I believe you honestly thought was an acceptable idea), if you should take it back without paying back!!, which, as a resolution, im afraid to say its not. If you were to do this, i'd hope he took it up with Blizzard, resulting in both accounts suspended. I'd also hope he contacted Paypal about the original transaction, and reported you as a fraudulent trader, and got that banned aswell, and your card for that matter.

You broke the account when you sold it, this other party. Taking back the account is theift. You want it back because its proving an inconvinience to you, with your inbox being spammed. Not his problem.

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Obviously you have not read past the 2nd or 3rd reply either. I admitted I was wrong. Now I am being called an idiot.


I wouldn't go that far. But please read the terms and conditions in future, they're there for a reason! To prevent this :D

You can either try to sort out a deal with the person and buy the account back off him (at his price, he is after all the current owner of the account..).

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Okay I will post again, but lets keep it civil..

Technically the Ebay agreement never happened, because Ebay closed the auction early. They randomly close and dont like auctions like this, but he emailed me anyway to make the purchase. So technically that leaves Ebay out of it. Perhaps I should have mentioned this earlier.

The only remaining binding contract is Paypal.

I will not let him play this account again because I dont want anymore trouble from Blizzard if he screws up again. So I have four options:

1. Delete the account and characters outright

2. Give him his money back and delete the account

3. Give him his money back and play the account

4. Dont give him his money back and play the account (with a possible looming Paypal claim unless there is a 90 day limit for claims)


You are not in the position to just go in and delete the account. I've stated before, paypal says you completed the transaction. Deleting the characters without the buyers authorisation and I hope you get blacklisted.

Give him his money, and delete the account. Thats what you need to do. Your mistake. By seems that you believe you will be doing right and continuously questioning if you could take it back, dispite being told over and over it is wrong, shows you probably won't do what is right. I hope if that is how this ends, you lose your paypal, your name gets blacklisted with credit card companies.

-Dio

Edited, Jan 10th 2007 6:53am by Diocaska


Edited, Jan 10th 2007 6:57am by Diocaska
#78 Jan 10 2007 at 4:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Just a point on the PayPal thing - PayPal will not get involved in a dispute which involves "Virtual Goods" as there is no proof from either side that they ever existed in the first place...

#79 Jan 10 2007 at 4:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Lothgar,

I'm with Felicite. Let him have the account and start a new one with a new e-mail address. Learn from the experience and don't look back.

Don't take the bashing personally. Folks detest things like gold sellers, power levelers, account sellers and the like (as do I).

I give you credit for soliciting public comment since I found it interesting to see people's thoughts.

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#80 Jan 10 2007 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Lothgar,

I'm with Felicite. Let him have the account and start a new one with a new e-mail address. Learn from the experience and don't look back.

Don't take the bashing personally. Folks detest things like gold sellers, power levelers, account sellers and the like (as do I).

I give you credit for soliciting public comment since I found it interesting to see people's thoughts.

A


While I personally don't deteste account sellers as such, I deteste people ******** other people out because the deal wasn't so sweet.

Reverse it, you've bought a full tier two Warrior, decent amount of gold, with your epic mount. You've paid £200. You decide to pay a site to PVP for you, in prep' for BC. You get busted. You want refund. Account suspended, then active again, but log in details have changed, as the orignal user has took it back. You e-mail him asking for account or refund. They laugh. Your doing a watered down version of this.

Ideal resolution though, forget the account, start fresh. You'll earn back a little respect for holding your hands up, saying 'I was wrong, i'll start over'.

Edited, Jan 10th 2007 8:01am by Diocaska
#81REDACTED, Posted: Jan 10 2007 at 7:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Lothgar here. You guys lowered my karma so much that I could no longer post with that name!
#82 Jan 10 2007 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent
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*Sigh* Close enough. I guess
#83 Jan 10 2007 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
Im not sure I understand your last post. You sold him the account for $75. And through all this you basicly scared him into thinking he was gonna lose the account. Then you tell him you want your toons back and he says ok cause he now has time into the account.

So you sold him a toon for $75 then took the toon back but left him the account. I guess I dont get it cause for $20 he could have had what he got without the hassle of some moron.

Maybe I just missed something, Im not the brightest bulb as it were.
#84 Jan 10 2007 at 9:24 AM Rating: Default
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Im not sure I understand your last post. You sold him the account for $75. And through all this you basicly scared him into thinking he was gonna lose the account.


It was not my intention to scare him. I had the same email address applied to two accounts, so I was scared I would lose both, and I was sick of getting emails because he was not using the account properly. I was also being greedy.

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Then you tell him you want your toons back and he says ok cause he now has time into the account.


I guess you missed the part I wrote about him offering my toon back? I never asked for them. Please read my reply above carefully.

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So you sold him a toon for $75 then took the toon back but left him the account. I guess I dont get it cause for $20 he could have had what he got without the hassle of some moron.


He screwed up. He wanted a PvP account. My toon is on a PvE server. He did not know that you could not transfer a character from PvE to a PvP server. He wasted some money, yes.

Thanks for calling me a moron. Name calling seems to be quite common here, even when I do the right thing..


Edited, Jan 10th 2007 12:20pm by justintn
#86 Jan 10 2007 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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As a disclaimer, I have not or will not buy or sell anything MMO related.

But let us pretend that what you did is morally neutral. Someone wanted a character and you sold it to them over ebay. The fact that you sold it to them and then are reclaiming it is basically stealing. It would be like selling someone a stereo...see that they are playing the stereo too loud, and then take it back from them. You have NO RIGHT to seize the accont from him due to abuse. In fact, according to the TOS, you are the abuser and Blizzard should seize it from you.

As far as the issue with getting e-mails. You can go on the website and change the account to his e-mail address. It will send an e-mail to the old address on there with a link that you click on to confirm the change.

What can he do if you keep the account? He can put a black mark on you on Ebay for selling something to him and then taking it back against his will. You have no rights to that account if you sold it to him.

So no, you would not be morally right to do that.
#87 Jan 10 2007 at 2:14 PM Rating: Default
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As a disclaimer, I have not or will not buy or sell anything MMO related.

But let us pretend that what you did is morally neutral. Someone wanted a character and you sold it to them over ebay. The fact that you sold it to them and then are reclaiming it is basically stealing. It would be like selling someone a stereo...see that they are playing the stereo too loud, and then take it back from them. You have NO RIGHT to seize the accont from him due to abuse. In fact, according to the TOS, you are the abuser and Blizzard should seize it from you.

As far as the issue with getting e-mails. You can go on the website and change the account to his e-mail address. It will send an e-mail to the old address on there with a link that you click on to confirm the change.

What can he do if you keep the account? He can put a black mark on you on Ebay for selling something to him and then taking it back against his will. You have no rights to that account if you sold it to him.

So no, you would not be morally right to do that.


Good lord man. Have you bothered to read through the thread? A lot has transpired since the original post.
#88 Jan 10 2007 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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If you feel the need to be a helpful member of this community I would forget your current account exists and make a new one. And never mention you have ebayed characters, etc.


guess you missed that part.

Please can we just let this die.
#89 Jan 10 2007 at 3:41 PM Rating: Default
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guess you missed that part.

Please can we just let this die.


Well, people keep asking me questions....so..I guess you missed that part.
#90 Jan 10 2007 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Lothgar wrote:
About 6 months ago, I sold a World of Warcraft account on Ebay for $75.


Read through the whole thread, tried to think of something nice to say, couldn't. My mom always said "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."


















Dumbass.






















Sorry Mom.
#92 Jan 10 2007 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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Well, people keep asking me questions....so..I guess you missed that part.


wow, you really are an idiot. I'm not even gonna explain, ya just are.

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So like, Allakhazam is owned by the most popluar Gold/Account selling website, IEG. LOL.

Good job tools. You post on a site owned by that which you hate the most. Nice.


Allakhazam is owned by the company THAT OWNS IGE. Altrea owns cigarette company's as well as kraft foods, Aircraft manufacturers make airplanes as well as missles. What matters here is that THIS SITE does not advocate goldselling/account selling etc. There are no gold selling ad's no powerleveling services etc.

go troll somewhere else.

Edited, Jan 10th 2007 7:32pm by TseTsuo
#93 Jan 10 2007 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually there was some huge lag from when I posted and when it appeared. Odd.

Either it took a long time to post or the page wasn't refreshing correctly for me.

So, sorry :) Wouldn't have posted that if I saw the whole thread!
#94 Jan 10 2007 at 5:08 PM Rating: Decent
You know all this hassle this little transaction has generated has got me thinking. We should all pitch into a fund where we buy accounts and then cause havoc on them so this all happens again. Of course, we would be laughing instead of grieving :)
#96 Jan 11 2007 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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/agree

Let Blizz take care of it. Unless you want to form a crazy fanatical order to take out all power levellers/gold sellers/account sellers. Call it the Mauve Crusade or something. I'd be for all that.
#97 Jan 11 2007 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I said it before and I'll say it again. Gold sellers will be around for as long as there is a demand for it. Remove the demand and there's no need for the supply.
#98 Jan 11 2007 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Bah was having a ****** day and posted without thinking.

My point remains the OP is an idiot, joined closely by metaljeff.



Edited, Jan 12th 2007 11:12am by TseTsuo
#100 Jan 11 2007 at 3:16 PM Rating: Default
MetalJeff, I would not even bother with this guy. He is not worth your time.

He is a slimy, poster board for all that is wrong with internet message boards. He is by all definitions an internet message board troll. He lives for this. He can hide behind his little computer, and randomly toss out insults, pretending to have an in depth command of the english language all the while soaking in *** stains on his computer chair.

He got beat up in Junior High School and got his lunch money stolen(perhaps last week) and now takes out his agression the only way he can, behind the safety net of a computer. Clear, cognitive thought processes have long left his mind or never existed in the first place. This is what he does to make him feel like a man. This makes him feel macho. Like the guy who speeds around you and flips you off on the freeway, he is not wired right. Less intelligent yet more annoying than that morning eye crust, or your typical gooey dingleberry, nomatter what type of constructive thoughts you offer, none will suffice.

To even talk to him is letting him win.

I pity him...

What a sad, sad person.


Edited, Jan 11th 2007 6:16pm by justintn
#101 Jan 11 2007 at 6:24 PM Rating: Default
TseTsuo the Wise wrote:
Altrea owns cigarette company's as well as kraft foods, Aircraft manufacturers make airplanes as well as missles.


The equivalent of Allakhazam and IGE being owned by the same company is the same as a company owning laboratory mice and rat poison. Cigarettes and kraft are not related to each other.

I'm not saying that Allakhazam supports gold buyers: I'm saying your comparisons suck.
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