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#1 Jan 08 2007 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good

KTurner

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This was posted on my hunter's guild forum.

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took these off a beta thread for raidsignups.. all lvl 70 and unbuffed according to the the posts

rogue

7515 health which can be pushed to over 7800 with gear change
8.56% hit
22.56% dodge
5.48% parry
26.86% crit
1131 unbuffed AP

warlock

8700'ish unbuffed HP
Infinite mana!
+760 spell damage unbuffed (890 with Fel armor) ZHC/dmg+use trinket
+86 spell hit + 4/5 suppression
I don't know my spell crit... DoT's don't crit.

Will be specced 5/5 shadow embrace >.>

warrior

11784 hp
514 defense
12229 armor
1.2% hit
21.02% dodge
23.75% parry
29.02% block
362 block value

druid

11765 health
227 str
222 agi
553 stam
17336 AC
1259 AP
1.33% +hit
20.84% crit
382 def
31 resiliance (total with talents 5% reduced chance to be crit vs lvl 70)
21.37% dodge
I can get 18786 AC with my unyielding maul, but I lost a lot of other stats

Healing stats:

6388 health
7520 mana
255 stam
362 int
299 spr
1582 AC
763 healing (+another 74 from healing aura)
10% spell crit (60% regrowth)
260 mp5 not casting
88 mp5 casting

Balance DPS stats:

6388 health
6890 mana
265 stam
320 int
192 spr
5430 AC
649 spell dmg
19.25% crit primary nukes (25.25% moonfire)
4% spell hit talents
189 mp5 not casting
68 mp5 casting
I can sustain 600 dps /w mana effecient spells, 800+ dps going all out.

priest

HEALING STATS (unbuffed):

5671 health
8310 mana
1038 healing (a little more when spirit buffed due to talents)
332 m5 not casting
151 m5 while casting

DAMAGE STATS (unbuffed):

6141 health
8130 mana
565 to all damage
40 spell penetration
12 spell hit
11.62% spell crit (higher due to talents for specific spells)

mage

Health- 6363
Mana- 7571
+Dmg-521
+Crit-
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11.20% General
20.20% Fire

pally

I'm at 6717 health, 9468 mana, 1131 +healing, 20.57% holy crit, and 72 mana per 5 unbuffed. I'm wearing full lvl 65+ TBC blues and 1 green. Not all of my gear is enchanted either.

Im asssuming this is like the equivalent to tier 0 gear at 60 based on the last comment by the pally.

Sorry if this is old news.

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#2 Jan 08 2007 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent

KTurner

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oh yay it works now

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#3 Jan 08 2007 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent

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O_O

11,000 HP in blues...

Sounds like fun.

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#4 Jan 09 2007 at 12:33 AM Rating: Decent

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very nice info, kt.

interesting how the warrior already has already reached the require def to reduce crits from lvl73 mobs. although the pally states they are only in 65+ blues. the dodge on the warrior is the same as the druid's and he has a total of around 50% avoidance plus block. shouldn't the druid's dodge be a bit higher to make up? i can see he has much higher armor, but he's still going to take a lot more hits.

the lock has 140 spelldamage more than the mage. maybe at the cost of crit (makes sense), but 11/20% crit doesn't seem extremely high to me. maybe it's the gear. because even the priest has more +dmg/crit than the mage, which leads me to believe the mage isn't very well geared. the priest's healing stats are quite nice too.

the pala is going to be healing for ever with that mana, regen and crit rate.

can the druid do 800+ dps going all out unbuffed? that is a ********* i wonder what mages will be doing O_o

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#5 Jan 09 2007 at 1:04 AM Rating: Good

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Turicus wrote:

i wonder what mages will be doing O_o

This is what I came up with based on a few assumptions:

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=7;mid=116799694814693273;num=23;page=1

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#6 Jan 09 2007 at 5:42 AM Rating: Decent

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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:

Turicus wrote:

i wonder what mages will be doing O_o

This is what I came up with based on a few assumptions:

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=7;mid=116799694814693273;num=23;page=1

very nice! rate-up.

now, you presume +600 dmg, +10% crit and 400 int. i already have that at 60. and it is less than what the lock in kt's example has. i presume the mage in kt's post is a bit undergeared (see above).

you come out with a maximum of 740 dps solo. although that is a lot, it's still less than what the druid states. although he does not mention the situation (group/raid buffs, pots, for how long etc.).

with all the buffs/debuffs in a raid and no poting, i can get over 700 on straight out dps fights (patchwerk).

so i presume in lvl70 raid situations, it will be significantly over 1k dps, even more with pots. :drool:

Edited, Jan 9th 2007 2:39pm by Turicus

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#7 Jan 09 2007 at 5:50 AM Rating: Decent

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Turicus wrote:

now, you presume +600 dmg, +10% crit and 400 int. i already have that at 60. and it is less than what the lock in kt's example has. i presume the mage in kt's post is a bit undergeared (see above).

I assume the crit will be similar/the same as at 60. The damage was based on rough equivalence of current, unjeweled T4 to T3. I figured the numbers would likely be higher, but since I'm more worried about actual build comparisons than the numbers themselves, I'm happy with the 600. However, because I have it all on a spreadsheet and can plug in numbers, here you go, with the lock's +dmg, the fireball numbers:

Total FB Dmg: 1914.64
FB Crit Dmg: 2871.95
Ignite Damage 1148.78
Total Crit + Ignite 4020.73
Avg DPS: 832.29
DPM 7.47

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#8 Jan 09 2007 at 6:09 AM Rating: Decent

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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:

Turicus wrote:

now, you presume +600 dmg, +10% crit and 400 int. i already have that at 60. and it is less than what the lock in kt's example has. i presume the mage in kt's post is a bit undergeared (see above).

I assume the crit will be similar/the same as at 60. The damage was based on rough equivalence of current, unjeweled T4 to T3. I figured the numbers would likely be higher, but since I'm more worried about actual build comparisons than the numbers themselves, I'm happy with the 600. However, because I have it all on a spreadsheet and can plug in numbers, here you go, with the lock's +dmg, the fireball numbers:

Total FB Dmg: 1914.64
FB Crit Dmg: 2871.95
Ignite Damage 1148.78
Total Crit + Ignite 4020.73
Avg DPS: 832.29
DPM 7.47

thanks <3
and that's solo damage with average gear :-o

sure, to compare builds +damage is not that important. and yes, crit shouldn't go up much.

still, at 70 with full raid gear and enchants/jewels, it's going to rock :-D

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#9 Jan 09 2007 at 8:05 AM Rating: Decent

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Turicus wrote:

The One and Only Poldaran wrote:

Turicus wrote:

now, you presume +600 dmg, +10% crit and 400 int. i already have that at 60. and it is less than what the lock in kt's example has. i presume the mage in kt's post is a bit undergeared (see above).

I assume the crit will be similar/the same as at 60. The damage was based on rough equivalence of current, unjeweled T4 to T3. I figured the numbers would likely be higher, but since I'm more worried about actual build comparisons than the numbers themselves, I'm happy with the 600. However, because I have it all on a spreadsheet and can plug in numbers, here you go, with the lock's +dmg, the fireball numbers:

Total FB Dmg: 1914.64
FB Crit Dmg: 2871.95
Ignite Damage 1148.78
Total Crit + Ignite 4020.73
Avg DPS: 832.29
DPM 7.47

thanks <3
and that's solo damage with average gear :-o

sure, to compare builds +damage is not that important. and yes, crit shouldn't go up much.

still, at 70 with full raid gear and enchants/jewels, it's going to rock :-D

Imagine, if you will:

You have 780 +dmg. You're in a 25 man raid with the 17/41/3. You have:
Imp Divine Spirit
Elemental Shaman with BOTH awesome totems
Moonkin
Potions out the wahoo
Wizard oil
A warlock rocking an Atiesh

Enemy has:
Talented CoE
Full imp scorch from another mage

You've been riding the threatline the whole fight. You're about 2 crits from pulling aggro.

The enemy hits 30%.

You pop invis. 8 seconds go by. You're OOC, have no threat on the boss and switch to your ToEP. By the time your ToEP cools down, the enemy hits 20%.

You gain Heroism.
You gain Ephemeral Power.
You gain Power Infusion.
You gain Combustion.
Molten Fury is now active on this boss.

Do you need a new pair of pants now?

I know I did when I first thought of it.

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#10 Jan 09 2007 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent

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yup. optimal setup, but sounds really nice. i don't think they'll put the shadow priest, oomkin, shaman AND atiesh lock in my group and tell all the other casters to bugger off :-D

although it would be cool :drool:

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#11 Jan 09 2007 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good

KTurner

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Heh, i think i made a post back before BC was in beta predicting warriors to have 10k HP unbuffed. And somebody thought I was crazy.

They were right, i predicted quite a bit lower. Id bet on seeing 15k+ HP on warriors with some uber gear. Unbuffed.

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