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Coming back for more no matter how many times they lose? What can I say? Jack Thompson's gonna be in an anti-video game movies. Some people live for the punishment.
One sided 5 on 1? Heh, take it as a compliment. They have such little confidence in their skills that they feel it takes 5 of them to win? Wow, they must think you some kind of super-lock.
Yeah, using overwhelming odds is an admission of inferiority IMO.
One sided 5 on 1? Heh, take it as a compliment. They have such little confidence in their skills that they feel it takes 5 of them to win? Wow, they must think you some kind of super-lock.
Yeah, using overwhelming odds is an admission of inferiority IMO.
morghast wrote:
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I don't see things changing because there are few enough PVP 'outlets' on PVE servers as it is and there are many people who seem hellbent on taking on every PVP opportunity that arrises before them. Why these people don't just play on PVP servers is beyond my understanding.
I don't see things changing because there are few enough PVP 'outlets' on PVE servers as it is and there are many people who seem hellbent on taking on every PVP opportunity that arrises before them. Why these people don't just play on PVP servers is beyond my understanding.
The reason is quite simple actually. On a PvE server, they are hell bent on attacking anyone with their flag up. The advatange they have it initial attack. In most "fair" (fair being similar level, gear, skill [but really how often do you see that]) fights you get a huge advantage, and sometimes victory with the first strike. On PvE if you see someone with their flag up and yours is not, you are gauranteed to get first strike and gain an advantage. On a PvP server in contested area your flag is always up, you don't have a choice, thus you lose that gauranteed advantage.
So to sum it up, they don't play in PvP servers, basically they don't want done to them, what they do to others.
If you think what happens to you on a PvE server is bad, try playing Horde on a PvP server and going to Tarren Mills in Hillsbarad Foothills...
Raolan wrote:
I am a 35 lock on a RP server but I almost always have my PvP flag up because I like a good 1 on 1 challenge. However I have been running into people that think they have something to prove.
In the last few days I have been jumped several times while I am in the middle of a fight with a NPC. Being jumped really doesn't bother my but when I kill whoever jumped me while dealing with the NPC you would think they would learn their lesson. If you can't beat my while I am already weak why would you come at me when I am full strength? And what really gets me is that THEY KEEP COMING BACK.
Last night I ran into a rogue who kept jumping me every time I went after a NPC and he kept losing. Seriously, you lost. I can see coming back to get revenge but to keep coming back again and again is just pointless. Not to mention the fact that every time he came back he would wait for his PvP flag to drop before he came anywhere near me so that I couldn't touch him until he already attacked me. Whats the fun in that? If you want a PvP fight, I have no problem waiting for you to get ready, but not puting your flag up so that I can't touch you until you have already hit me is just BS.
I had a 38 lock come at me this morning and kill me while I was fighting a NPC. I had my soulstone on so I hit it and finished him off. He came back and attacked me again while I was fighting and I won, no soulstone needed. Then he came back again.....WTF!!! Dude, I killed you after you have taken advantage of the situation a couple of times now. I won, you lost. GIVE IT UP ALREADY.
Another thing that got under my skin last night is completly unfair fights. I was attacked by a full group of lvl 40+. Whats the fun in that? 5 vs 1 and I was more then 5 lvls below them. Later that night I had a high 30's lock and priest kill me. No biggie, I'll get my corpse and move on. THE LOCK WAS SITTING ON MY CORPSE!!!!!
Don't get me wrong, I usually don't expect a fair fight but whats the point in a completly 1 sided fight? And whats the point of coming back again and again if you just keep losing? I didn't join a PvP server for this exact reason. Is it like this everywhere or have I just been running into all the idiots?
In the last few days I have been jumped several times while I am in the middle of a fight with a NPC. Being jumped really doesn't bother my but when I kill whoever jumped me while dealing with the NPC you would think they would learn their lesson. If you can't beat my while I am already weak why would you come at me when I am full strength? And what really gets me is that THEY KEEP COMING BACK.
Last night I ran into a rogue who kept jumping me every time I went after a NPC and he kept losing. Seriously, you lost. I can see coming back to get revenge but to keep coming back again and again is just pointless. Not to mention the fact that every time he came back he would wait for his PvP flag to drop before he came anywhere near me so that I couldn't touch him until he already attacked me. Whats the fun in that? If you want a PvP fight, I have no problem waiting for you to get ready, but not puting your flag up so that I can't touch you until you have already hit me is just BS.
I had a 38 lock come at me this morning and kill me while I was fighting a NPC. I had my soulstone on so I hit it and finished him off. He came back and attacked me again while I was fighting and I won, no soulstone needed. Then he came back again.....WTF!!! Dude, I killed you after you have taken advantage of the situation a couple of times now. I won, you lost. GIVE IT UP ALREADY.
Another thing that got under my skin last night is completly unfair fights. I was attacked by a full group of lvl 40+. Whats the fun in that? 5 vs 1 and I was more then 5 lvls below them. Later that night I had a high 30's lock and priest kill me. No biggie, I'll get my corpse and move on. THE LOCK WAS SITTING ON MY CORPSE!!!!!
Don't get me wrong, I usually don't expect a fair fight but whats the point in a completly 1 sided fight? And whats the point of coming back again and again if you just keep losing? I didn't join a PvP server for this exact reason. Is it like this everywhere or have I just been running into all the idiots?
"What's the point of a one-sided fight?" said the Warlock after killing a Rogue 5x...
Honestly ... I respect people's choice to choose PvE servers... but posts like this make me sick. This post doesn't come close to describing an average night of leveling in STV on a PvP server.
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The reason is quite simple actually. On a PvE server, they are hell bent on attacking anyone with their flag up. The advatange they have it initial attack. In most "fair" (fair being similar level, gear, skill [but really how often do you see that]) fights you get a huge advantage, and sometimes victory with the first strike. On PvE if you see someone with their flag up and yours is not, you are gauranteed to get first strike and gain an advantage. On a PvP server in contested area your flag is always up, you don't have a choice, thus you lose that gauranteed advantage.
So to sum it up, they don't play in PvP servers, basically they don't want done to them, what they do to others.
So to sum it up, they don't play in PvP servers, basically they don't want done to them, what they do to others.
Sounds like a pretty good explanation to me. :)
I do admire those with the guts to play on a PVP server. It's just not the kind of gameplay that appeals to me so I do get annoyed when people on PVE servers try to gank players. (Yes, there are ways to effectively gank people on PVE servers) It just seems kind of cowardly to me.
Jordster wrote:
"What's the point of a one-sided fight?" said the Warlock after killing a Rogue 5x...
Honestly ... I respect people's choice to choose PvE servers... but posts like this make me sick. This post doesn't come close to describing an average night of leveling in STV on a PvP server.
QFT and an LOL.
Phaltruism wrote:
Saying that violence and killing is wrong is naieve. If you let someone kill you, they could go on to kill the person who would eventually allow world peace.
You don't have to kill someone to stop them. Secondly, you have the ability to negotiate and run.
Phaltruism wrote:
If you killed a horrible person, like hitler for example, you might stop him from having a child that would come up with a cure for all diseases.
That would be another reason to not @#%^ with peoples life. Keep him from causing his atrocities, but is killing required to do that?
Phaltruism wrote:
We all die. Is it worse to be killed or to see everyone around you die before you go from natural causes?
Well, that goes back to whether or not you believe in an "afterlife."
Phaltruism wrote:
This is all based on morals which is subjective to a person's worldview. Violence and death can be morally right or wrong depending on your viewpoint. To say that in all cases it is morally wrong only works if everyone agrees.
The same goes for creating any type of new law. People love killing others; if they have an excuse to do it while "defending" themselves, all the better.
Phaltruism wrote:
Otherwise, the peace lover will be exploited or whiped out. And if there was no violence we could starve from world over-population or a meteor destroying the earth.
Natural disasters and the alliance of many minds can solve that problem.
Phaltruism wrote:
Basically, what I am saying is that there is no right and wrong. These are just concepts we invent to live in a society and to ensure the greatest chance of our survival.
Then what the @#%^'s a martyr?
If there's no right or wrong, *****=Bananas, and me saying so isn't right or wrong.
Edited, Jan 11th 2007 7:40pm by Pifuaa
axhed the Flatulent wrote:
pif - buddy ol' pal... this is the WOW forum, stay on point.
if you want to argue ethics, do it here:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=4
if you want to argue ethics, do it here:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=4
Oh, like you'd actually be willing to transfer a discussion that sparked from a Main-WoW thread.
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