My apology to the Warrior CommunityFollow

I've bashed you guys alot before, and it wasn't until I leveled my own warrior to 60 that I realize how... underpowered you are. I started the character roughly 2 weeks ago, after reading the thread about warriors crying that they're nerfed again. (Yes I know, going from 1-60 in 2 weeks is ridiculous but I really had nothing else or better to do). And I have to admit that, contrary to my old stand point, they are.

My source of bias came from the fact that Warriors can obliterate Rogues. However, that's basically the only opponent they can defeat, and they can't even do that too easily against a well skilled one. Basically anyone with a mana bar is more than a match for a warrior and thus, I do apologize for my many rants ******** "overpowered".

Guess they're right, reading up about a class is well and good but until you actually play it you don't know what you're talking about.

Edit:

And although pvp is more fun and alot better on my rogue, my warrior is a horde character and thus has 1.) Way better queue times and 2.) Wins WSG and AB almost 95% of the time. So, I'll mainly be on my warrior till TBC comes out :/ Moral of the story? Shoulda made my rogue undead instead of n.elf :/

Edited, Jan 7th 2007 4:53pm by Shaolinz

Yeah, but would you have ever met your lady friend if you had?

My 1000 damage Mangle crit in Cat form on a Mage/Warlock says otherwise, Pifuaa. Or 800 damage on random mail user, 600 on plate user. Druids do not lack DPS, in fact, with Mangle, they have more than enough of it.

Druids suck if you play them like any other class, yes. But if you know how to play all classes, you shine as a Druid. That's why I love the class: all the numbnuts are filtered out early on when they discover that they can't just stay in Bear/Cat form and pretend to be a Warrior/Rogue.

There's a reason Druids were given both forms and not just one of them.

Edited, Jan 7th 2007 6:45pm by Mazra

Aside from Kuroma (Grand Marshal of Daggerspine for over a year) and some good flag runners, I have seen very very few druids that I would call skilled. It seems like sometimes that they have so many abilities they don't know what to do...

But with a healer, a bear druid simply will not die. I think they are best suited to more defensive and supportive roles. 41 point Balance is viable now in PvP, and I think too many druids get stuck in the feral mindset.

You sure are opening a can of pickles here, Shao...

Edited, Jan 7th 2007 12:43pm by Makaro

Back to the topic of warriors...

Warriors need to realize that without a healer and CC backup, they can't just charge in and be the savior of the universe. Last night in my first BG on Nazjatar, there was this High Warlord Horde warrior who would just charge in and get owned repeatedly. I stunlocked him to death four times while a mage or somebody else helped kill him. If he had a healer or some CC that would have been a different story.

Warriors, I admit, are pretty bad at 1v1 PvP, but with a good group they can shine in group PvP. I remember before cross-realm BGs this one female orc HWL warrior would slaughter groups of 5+ alliance with the help of a healer.

Warrior isn't underpowered, it's just that PvP favours range these days. Non CoS rogues have the same problems (they get off easier as CoS is a complete anti-caster ability). But rogues still can't beat hunters.

But for the record, I have killed ranged classes on several occassions and it's only all the sweeter when you do.

One final comment and then I'll take my OT *** to another thread:



I'm already viable and good in PvP. I went to WSG in the gear you saw above (I'm updating my profile now) and this is what I'm wearing now. I rock at what I do and that is everything from capping all three flags of a WSG match with Bear form being a furry brick of health, to ninjaing nodes in AB in Cat form and hold it long enough in Bear form for reinforcements to arrive, to being backup healer and bodyguard for the Priests/Restoration Druids/Holy Paladins in AV.

I'd also love to fight you, my Druid vs. any of your characters, just to see if what you say is true.

Edited, Jan 7th 2007 7:00pm by Mazra

Rogues can't beat Hunters?

I've got a stunlock that says differently: Ever since 2.0 I've not ever had a hunter escape my stunlock alive. CS -> Mutilate -> KS -> Mutilate -> Evis completely rocks a hunter's world. Hell, I can kill anyone short of a prot warrior with that sequence. And before you bring up how they'll have more HP in BC, we'll also have more hp along with one anti-kiting ability AND one anti-magic ability for the frost trap.

Rogues pwn the face of most classes easily if played right. The only class they can't "pwn" is a warrior and another rogue, as those battles are extremely luck based.

Ugh, you made me reply again, damn you.

Flag carrying wins WSG. Killing doesn't.

How's that for good PvP?