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#27 Jan 07 2007 at 2:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Firstly, I 100% agree with what Allegory said. I've seen 10 year olds more mature than 30 year olds.

I'm only 15 - I've been punted out of groups because I'm '2 yung 4 dem and wil wind dem up'. It got me so wound up, I just logged off and resorted to a bit of counterstrike. (We had an 8(EIGHT) year old play in a clan match last night - he came in second, over a couple in their mid twenties, age seriously does not matter. Maybe bedtimes, however, but he was on untill 11pm, which made my stomach turn a bit)

I also agree with those squeaky people on Vent/TS, albeit I'm one of them (My voice hasn't broken yet, goddamn it better break soon, or I'll break it myself). I'm constantly being asked if I'm a girl - I'm fine with it, I wind them up by saying yes, waiting for their reaction. (Some people think they can go further than asying 'ok' ^_^ <3 those kinda people so much!). Because of this - I hardly talk, I might say 'Hi' or 'G'night' when someone joins or logs for the night, but that's about it. (Although I sometimes join with a friend, who's a year older than me to talk, he denies I sound like a girl, but too many other people think I do)

I think people have to stop slacking young people off. Sure, there are lots of kids that just go around jumping around ninja-pulling the whole goddamn instance. That's why you can kick people out of instances; ignore them; and if they're swearing at you, deliberatly winding you up - generally griefing you, just report them. I was reported for swearing at someone who was supporting Gold Buying. IN. THE. GUILD. (Not saying swearing's allowed, I meant the RMT thing.)

Agreed, age plays a fair share of it, but it's their maturity that finalises it. There's too many other, maybe smaller factors in it just to blanket 'Youngsters'
#28 Jan 07 2007 at 3:44 AM Rating: Good
I'll play with anyone as long as the Stupid Levelâ„¢ doesn't get too high.


Even young people are completely capable of rational thought. They are just more likely not going to do such action. Honestly, I'm more worried about the hormonally unbalanced teenager that's pump stock full of testosterone than I am a 10 or 11 year old.
#29 Jan 07 2007 at 4:11 AM Rating: Good
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chiel = 19? damn boy. i thought you was like 35 or some ****. now im the old one at 25.

*looks around* where the hell are tyr and seo when i need to feel young dammit?!
#30 Jan 07 2007 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Firstly, I 100% agree with what Allegory said. I've seen 10 year olds more mature than 30 year olds.

I'm only 15 - I've been punted out of groups because I'm '2 yung 4 dem and wil wind dem up'. It got me so wound up, I just logged off and resorted to a bit of counterstrike. (We had an 8(EIGHT) year old play in a clan match last night - he came in second, over a couple in their mid twenties, age seriously does not matter. Maybe bedtimes, however, but he was on untill 11pm, which made my stomach turn a bit)

I also agree with those squeaky people on Vent/TS, albeit I'm one of them (My voice hasn't broken yet, goddamn it better break soon, or I'll break it myself). I'm constantly being asked if I'm a girl - I'm fine with it, I wind them up by saying yes, waiting for their reaction. (Some people think they can go further than asying 'ok' ^_^ <3 those kinda people so much!). Because of this - I hardly talk, I might say 'Hi' or 'G'night' when someone joins or logs for the night, but that's about it. (Although I sometimes join with a friend, who's a year older than me to talk, he denies I sound like a girl, but too many other people think I do)

I think people have to stop slacking young people off. Sure, there are lots of kids that just go around jumping around ninja-pulling the whole goddamn instance. That's why you can kick people out of instances; ignore them; and if they're swearing at you, deliberatly winding you up - generally griefing you, just report them. I was reported for swearing at someone who was supporting Gold Buying. IN. THE. GUILD. (Not saying swearing's allowed, I meant the RMT thing.)

Agreed, age plays a fair share of it, but it's their maturity that finalises it. There's too many other, maybe smaller factors in it just to blanket 'Youngsters'


We had a girl in vent, and we thought she was an eleven year old boy... But in my defense, I had originally talked to her brother playing her character and her mic was kind of messed up (though I think it was the sound card). Hehe, that was somewhat akward.

(Then again against my defense, she said she was 17, and if she had a deep voice like me (!! Wow! I have a deep voice! YAY!) that would be creepy.)


BTW can you link one of these videos you are talking about (or the kid cussing out his brother's guild?) So I can get more of an idea of what exactly you are talking about.
#31 Jan 07 2007 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes in my younger guild, we had many teenagers that thought that they were tough if they cursed out another player. My friend takes everything so seriously sometimes that he'll talk and yell at the computer like it's real life.
#32 Jan 07 2007 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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If we removed all elements of immaturity the community would be rather spoiled as would our fun. Sometimes the funniest things are the immaturist ones.

I think some people are mixing up maturity and an ability to type coherently.
My raiding days were made great by the fun we had, such as making videos of letting our tank die just before the mob did. (without his prior consent :P). I think if i were to have been in a guild that was 'mature' and focused i would of got a lot more phat lewtz but i would of got burned out a lot quicker.

On the vent point, i had to have mine set to push to talk to stop our mage class leader hearing me laughing every time he spoke :P
#33 Jan 07 2007 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
Back in old EQ, years ago, it wasn't kids who were destroying the game -- it was a rather racist idea that "Taiwanese are destroying our server." Yes, that was what many people believed. For some reason, a lot of Taiwanese people joined our server and made a huuuuuuge guild - the something dragons. They almost never talked to anyone else, they often never grouped w/ anyone else - and when they did, they did weird and very unexpected things. They just had a different way of playing, different rules for looting - and very poor English - for the most part. And they did have a way of barging in and stepping on other people not in their guild. But it didn't ruin the game - you just had to figure out ways to ignore them. You often had to move in old EQ if other people came into your hunting area and thinned what there was to kill, anyway.

I think the solution, really, is for Bliz to reinstate the old spam channel - the old LFG channel. That keeps these kiddies out of our hair. Now they've coopted the /2 channel in cities. There are Chuck jokes, Murloc jokes - yo mama so... jokes - many insults are hurled - pure love-fest. Bliz, pls give these people their moron channel, and save the game!
#34 Jan 07 2007 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I look at it as immuturity and silliness.

Being immature is not acceptable.

Being silly should be completely acceptable, assuming it doesn't detract from someone else's fun.

In FFXI, the Tarutaru "dance" was one of the best parts of the game, and it only really appeared in bursts of silliness. You can be silly in a party and have one of your best ever gaming experiences.

You cannot really say the same thing about immaturity, because someone is usually on the recieving end of immature comments.
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#35 Jan 07 2007 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
I try not to judge someone based on their age cause I know some young players who are better than most. As long as they talk somewhat maturly(no l33t) and don't get me killed im fine. Though, I have to say the IQ lvl is getting pretty low lately. All you can really do is ignore them. WoW has it the worst cause its so easy.
#36 Jan 07 2007 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
Reinjin, if you really want to hang around with mature players, start a guild, and name it "AARP", (Autonomous Association of Role Players, should anyone ask).
#37 Jan 07 2007 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Mike, you need at least two players to make it a guild. Smiley: lol

In all seriousness though, yeah. The World of Warcraft crowd is definitely more immature than the crowd I played with in Star Wars Galaxies (yes, the game did in fact exist once).

I also blame World of Warcraft for making me the attention seeking ***** that I am today. And for ruining my English. God I hate this game and yet I want it sooo much!
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#38 Jan 08 2007 at 7:45 AM Rating: Decent
welll im only 14 myself but i think im a very mature 14 old year boy =D
didnt make any movies or left my first guild
hey am i the perfect child or what? :D
#39 Jan 08 2007 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
I saw a guild called "Geriatrics" once. That was good for a chuckle.
#40 Jan 08 2007 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
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I just made an age requirement for my guild when I was leading it. Granted, we only got into MC and such before it slowly fell apart :( I made the age requirement of 18 and had to be able to use vent :) We did let a few very mature younger guys in, but that was it.

I teach all day, I don't want to deal with kids all night.
#41 Jan 08 2007 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
I don't care what age you are. I just care if you're mature. Lots of people are chronologically over twenty and still immature, while I know of a number of under-fifteen players who would be mature for a twenty year-old, much less fifteen or less.

It seems like there is a wave of people who have watched YouTube, Google Video, etc., and see all the PvP "pwnz0rz" videos, and want to play just to be "that guy in that video". Also, a lot of the foulmouthed, self-important, arrogant people who want to be 'leet', or make a character that "has the best DPS", "can pwn all others in PvP", etc. seem to be coming out of the woodwork. Ironically enough, I suspect that a lot of them come from the FPS genre, since that genre more than RPG focuses on the individual player rather than being part of a cohesive group like many MMOs concenrate on.

The other thing I find annoying , and at the same time rather amusing, is the same people that I've met that want to be uber and get to 60 (there are a few in my guild who constantly brag about how great they are) are also the ones begging for gold, PLs, gear, run-throughs of instances, etc. I even had one guildie kicked from my guild after he bragged about buying a thousand gold. I dislike braggarts, but I absolutely loathe people that brag about buying gold as if it were an accomplishment.
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#42 Jan 08 2007 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Immaturity is immaturity, whether 13 or 43. I have noticed that there are a lot of immature players in WoW. I left the general chat channels not long after we started playing and I spend very little time in cities, and otherwise mostly ignore it.

That said, our 10 and 13 year olds want to play but so far we haven't encouraged it. If they do play they will be monitored. Our computers are all in the middle of the living room and we don't let them get on the internet without us being there. Heck, if we catch the 10 year old swearing at any game he's playing we is booted off and grounded. A little parental guidance goes a long way.

Edited, Jan 8th 2007 8:57am by chrisisanangel
#43 Jan 08 2007 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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The Glorious goofydude wrote:
We had a girl in vent, and we thought she was an eleven year old boy... But in my defense, I had originally talked to her brother playing her character and her mic was kind of messed up (though I think it was the sound card). Hehe, that was somewhat akward.

Heh, my original alliance guild thought the same thing about me at first. I grouped with one party in Dire Maul and got on vent with them and one guy thought I was a 13-year-old boy. I pointed out that I was not, everyone laughed, we went on and killed stuff.

Later got in an UBRS run with the guild and asked a question in vent. The guild leader (also female) yells "WHO THE **** WAS THAT?" Apparently, though everyone knew I was a couple with the rogue that also just joined, and the rogue was male, they assumed I was male too, because I played a male character. Then creepy gnomes started hitting on me cause of my pretty teenage-boy voice and now that I'm horde it's creepy undead hitting on me cause of my pretty teenage-boy voice. :)
#44 Jan 08 2007 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
The nice thing about being too young is that you grow out of it, the same can't be said of immaturity.
#45 Jan 10 2007 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
The OP is hyped for FFXI when he was 13. That was 3 years ago so you are what 16.
Back in your box youngster.
#46 Jan 10 2007 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
funny story about young gamers... i was playing d2 when i was in 6th grade but i played with my friends only, but probably a year ago was the first time i had ever picked up an xbox controler, yeah i know, id been adicted to wow and never touched an xbox controler, and i liked my final fantasy and BoF games for PSX. But i pick up this controller for the first time ever and im at my friends house doing this, head on into xbox live to play a few rounds of Halo 2, worst game ever in my opinion. i just obliterate these people that have been playing the game forever cause im used to playing all these WW2 games like call of duty and Medal of honor, which is much better on the computer, and im not one of those jumpers thinking i can dodge bullets. i just like the shotgun, no way to dodge a wall of lead. but this kid got pissed off at me cause i was getting more kills then him and he'd been the leading killer last 10 or so games he had been playing. we were on the same team so what the hell did it matter? i dont know. but i replied with "shut the **** up!" he got his dad and his dad got mad at me, i found out the kids 11 years old and i said "what the hell is your 11 year old kid playing a 17 mature game?" some people just dont think. we are a bit screwed yes, but all of use over 16 will band together and just ignore the kids that have to go to bed at 8 and cant raid with us....
#47 Jan 10 2007 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Reinjin you're stepping dangerously close to the line of age discrimination. I don't want to sue you


Hate to disappoint, but the age descrimination laws only apply to people over 40. You can discriminate all you want against younger people.
#48 Jan 10 2007 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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The OP is hyped for FFXI when he was 13. That was 3 years ago so you are what 16.
Back in your box youngster.


I'm 19. You're usually hyped for games before they come out. Final Fantasy XI came out in November 2002, and it had been revealed to be an MMORPG the summer of 2001.

Back in your cell, nutcase.
#49 Jan 10 2007 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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This is what happens when you design a game for the casual player. They show up.

Part of me is surprised that WoW is still so successful, but then I look at the marketplace and it occurs to me that there is nothing else out there.

Pray for a Diablo 3. High schoolers dig that crap.
#50 Jan 10 2007 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:

Pray for a Diablo 3. High schoolers dig that crap.


Holy Blanket Statement, Batman!

My 30-year-old *** would dig playing Diablo 3 if it were ever made.

Back to the Point, complete with repeating statements made by others:

I've seen teenagers that act more mature than their years would lead you to believe. I've also seen 40-somethings that act like their guild is friggin' Junior-High all over again.

Just roll with it and enjoy the game. If not, then move on without blaming anything. Saves you the stress.
#51 Jan 10 2007 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
I'm 13 atm, and I usually type in complete sentences when I want to be serious. As for joking with my guild and stuff, I'll use leet speak. But in serious situations I don't prefer to be with clowns and jokesters(unless they know the difference between being funny and just being an inconvenience to the group). Some players who are younger can be great players if they don't use they use they're young age as an excuse to be immature.

I want to start my own guild, but being young as I am, I think using vent, will stereotype me as immature. This makes it hard for younger players to give their ideas vent. I find the age descrimination to be unfair, if you want to make a line for seperating who can talk or make descisions/be taken seriously, I think it should be by player maturity, not by how they sound or how old they are.

If a young player is being immature, I think he/she is making it hard for the intellegent/good young players to stand up and give ideas. Because I know a few players from the younger age group who have some great playing abilites and skills.

In conclusion not all young players are bad. It's just the players who don't know the line between immature, being funny, and plain annoying.
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