--Does anyone agree that the Warrior IS NERFED--Follow

I'm going to quote Shmii's sig here:



Once you hit 60 most of your troubles are over in my opinion. Of course a lot of that depends on gear (and skill) but it will get a lot better for you in later levels.

i recommend abusing evasion and any control ability as much as possible. evade asap. not at 50%. not at 10%. evade at 100%, when he has no rage. even with all the damage you feed him, he still wont have much rage.

not a guaranteed win, but it should help you a bit. especially if you mix in a bit of DoT kiting (save it for when hes near death). and dont worry, second wind on gouge is getting "fixed" come TBC.



no. im gonna disagree with you there.

when a warrior hits 60, he stops. his progression is gear. this is true of all classes.

a warrior in greens using a rank 14 weapon still hits like a warrior in greens. without the AP to back it up, no MS is going to reach the numbers that are often so bandied about. lets not even go into armor, crit rates, or stamina. ive 4-shot level 60 wars with GM weapons. the guys still wearing wyrmslayer spaulders (mid 40's plate boe shoulders) and looking like a mishmash of green/blue stuff with some boe valor thrown in. and im using zinrokh (a sword with 50+ LESS damage than the rank 14 weapons). how do i do it? well, they have **** for armor/hp, and ive got 1k AP unbuffed, not to mention nearly 5500 hp and 22% crit in battle.

so no, warriors dont magically become awesome when they hit 60. no class does. that rock/paper/scissors quote is so outdated i dont know why anyone still uses it. after a great deal of work and dedication, and assuming an awesome support line, warriors become awesome. but its not like dinging 60 instantly turns warrior from zero to hero.

Edited, Jan 6th 2007 4:52am by Quor

I can guarantee you that you've been nuked for 2k damage FAR more than you've been hit by a warrior for 2k damage.

Hmm, maybe the 2k damage by the warrior was an execute with a lot of rage behind it, thus making much of the damage a total waste?

Regarding the Shaman vs Warrior, I was able to defeat warriors in battle 90% of the time, even some that were levels above me. This being the grind to 60. At 60 though, they became much more difficult to beat for me.

I've killed people naked as a Rogue, Warlock, Shaman, Priest, and Mage in PvP. Honestly, Warlock kicked the most *** naked since they have Demon Armor and they hit pretty hard base-wise anyways. You'd think I'd say Rogue was hardest to do naked; wrong. Shaman's suck dick without spell damage backing their pathetic shocks and Chain Lightning. I didn't even mention Druids, and you all know why -_-.

I am scissors, paper is fine, nerf rock.










this is a JOKE, btw

Edited, Jan 6th 2007 8:14pm by Webjunky

Since the patch, all i hear about is how the warrior was nerfed...I have a warrior...Pre patch, I had done lots and lots of 10-19 BG's...I made sure i had good gear (Not twink), I studied the class, practiced abilites in dueling, and routinely read up on them on these forums.
PPPWWWNNNEDDDD. I was a killing machine....


Post patch..20-29

Thought "hmmmm...Im nerfed...Im not gonna play him anymore". 2 Weeks later, got bit by the warrior bug, and decided to try him out. Went in the BG's..got pwned. Checked my self...avg gear.. Got the GEAR, practiced...

PWWWWNNNNNEDDD. I was a killing machine...


Post patch 30-39

Got the gear again, studied my class, and practiced using ALL abilites given to me(stance Dance ftw)...

PWWWWWWWNNNNNED. i was a killing machine.


Post patch 40-49

I guarentee im gonna **** so much alliance **** up again its not even funny (No offense alliance..I love paladins <3 =) ).







Point? no, im not trying to brag, nor do i care for the comment that is probably gonna show up saying that i am bragging. NOTHING is wrong with the warrior class imo. Every class has ways of beating every other class. I'm crazy about pvp, and i have fought with and against ALOT of warriors. I can count on ONE hand the number of warriors i have seen changing stances mid fight and using all their abilites to their full potential...Nerfed?? No...Whiney NubSauce? Yes..I think so



Hunters --> Intercept, WATCH where the plant the trap, and move away from it, ur in his dead zone anyway...Fear? bye bye pet

Locks/Mages/Priests --> Throw on a damn shield, and bash the **** outta them, and have intercept ready for the mages...Fear? WotF ftw..Dots?? kill them before they kill you, and start eating fast! lol..But definately easier said than done


Rogues--> Disarmed/rended rogue = Three new a-holes for him

Pallys--> Hey...if hes busy healing, you should be busy A)Shield Bashing him so he cant heal B) First Aid C)Running(hey, **** happens)



No rage?? Blood rage! 2pts in talents gets you tons of rage.. Use your abilities!

I honstly dont think they have been nerfed much if at all. I havent noticed anything. I can tank instances fine with PLENTY 'O rage to spare. I can PvP fine.

believe me, we are all stupid, dumb losers that are way too into a videogame. the guys at blizzard are wayyy the eff smarter than 99.9999999999999999% of us, and i am sure they wouldnt make such a big mistake or miss something so big for one class being so inferior.


Study your class, Learn its abilities, PRACTICE your abilities BEFORE you go to try and face ruthless opponents in BG's. Yes, I know im not 60, but I have played other chars to 60. Things change, but your core abilites , and your role do not change THAT MUCH.


I know one of you is gonna say "get to 60"..Well, I will, and when I am there doing fine in BG's because i took the time to study and learn my class, Ill be posting here to remind you

L2P Whiney Warrior Noobsauces!! Our class is fine, and nobody feels sorry for us. gtfo and reroll, or L2P you babies... Gonna call me a noob or say im fibbing? bring it on and duel me if your on me server...PM me, Mains are on Gurubashi

any warrior can potentially get lucky and dish out insane damage if the planets align and things go just so. ive 3-shot mages with a charge > normal crit > sword spec proc crit > HoJ proc crit. well, ive 3-shot A mage...cause thats only happened once. but it still happened, and im sure that very unlikely event (the triple crit windfury for wars if you will) was responsible for no small amount of complaining on the part of the mage (who rightly thought i was boned when he saw me).

but its just that....mostly luck. in the thousands of battles ive been in on my warrior, i can play a flawless game and still lose. im very reliant on my foe making a mistake in order to win. the mage who blinks before my intercept is on CD, or the priest that never refreshes his shield, or the hunter that things he can melee me to death, or the rogue who doesnt feel like using blind....the list goes on. overall, even the best wars are only as good as their backline. being a war is very much being a team player, because you become quite useless without support. the damage taken rage mechanic only works in our favor if we're being kept alive thru that damage.

having said that, i dont think warrior is totally borked. they just need to take away some of the negatives of the class and up its control a bit. lowering the cooldown on intimidating shout would be an excellent start, say 30s instead of the current 3 mins. furthermore, put the primary target of int shout under the same mechanics as are present in dragons breath. in other words, DoT damage doesnt break the effect (which would indirectly buff rend and deep wounds, since having one on the opponent in solo combat doesnt automatically mean a useless cooldown). given the relative cost (25% of a warriors potential power) and the fact that its a capped-target fear 30s hardly seems overblown. furthermore, reducing the dmg taken while in zerker stance would be another good change. lowering the cooldowns on our "big three" would also be nice, and ditching that stupid +20% damage modifier on recklessness would give warriors a lot more potential power and enhance the feeling of control as well.

there are a number of other little knick knacks that can be altered about the warrior class, but just changed those i mentioned would go a long way towards alleviating a lot of the warrior concerns. hell, even doing just the int shout change would be nice.

Edited, Jan 7th 2007 4:54am by Quor

guy, i dont mean to be rude...but you dont know how to tank...Tanking with a 2hander? = no no...And because of this, it doesnt surprise me that you think our class is nerfed.

And again, I dont mean to be rude, and if i understand your post correctly you are complaining about the class being "nerfed" when in fact, based on the part of your post i quoted, you dont have a clue how to tank. And I am sure there are many people of higher lvl that claim to be nerfed, when infact they do not know how to play. I can use a ****** one hander and a sheild and do good tanking, while having plenty of rage to SPARE (And yes, i hold aggro it doesnt slip). You must learn to use the abilites given to your class, otherwise you will not be succesful in carrying out what the class was meant for ----> you will think they are underpowered/nerfed.


Maybe the warrior did need a nerf, because too many players were running around spamming HS, and not using any other abilities. Well, rage gen has been nerfed, meaning you gotta be better at tanking and managing rage and using it when it is neccessary and effective, rather then spamming. When spammers need to stop spamming and think about what they need to do, they dont learn their class or how to play it effectively, they whine that they have been nerfed...I said it in my previous post, and I will quote it again for good measure....