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yeah, ive seen that a lot too. the mage with HWL dagger+book and several epic pvp pieces who couldnt get a single cast-time spell on me because i just danced around him too well. or the warlock who kept casting fear on me while zerker rage was up (without putting a single dot on). that lock had the GM staff. any number of dual wielding wars who dont seem to understand the importance of disarm immunity vs another warrior. i laugh every time i disarm one of them as they swing helplessly with death wish up.

Yeah, I find this a problem too. A lot of Shamen are DWing HWL Axes, I somehow find myself out-DPSing them using Frostbite/Lobotomizer assorted greens and full Defiler's set with Don Julio's.

Absolutely. On my server, the first HWL was played by 3 people in rotation until they finally got reported and shut down.

Rank in WoW under the old system meant time spent, not necessarily skill. Not to say some of 'em aren't skilled, just that time is the biggest factor by far.

I somewhat agree.
I like the new system, and that it makes great gear available to the general public... Though I don't really enjoy seeing every rogue running around with the same 2 GM swords.


HOWEVER, I really enjoy completely whomping a noob with GM weapons.
Even if they don't have the skill, they have the gear; which makes their defeat all the more delicious.

Inuyasha has a valid point here. Compare this to a store which is about to buy its winter line of clothes. The first thing it does is put any of the leftover spring inventory at a discount. When it gets closer to the release day for the winter stock, there's a fire sale on all outdated clothes.

It's not an exact analogy, but once BC comes out, people won't be looking to spend hours and hours to get gear that can be matched by soloing or doing instances on Outlands. It's the same reason Blizzard increased rep returns on the various factions- how many people are going to spend weeks getting AD, CC, Timbermaw, etc. rep to Exalted when they can just join some PuGs in Outlands and get better rewards? Perhaps Alchemists and Enchanters who want the recipes, but I'm willing to bet those will have better replacements as well.

HWL gear, depending on how you look at it, was for people who were either great PvPers (not necessarily great all-around players), or had way too much time on their hands, having to spend 16+ hours for months just PvPing. Personally, I always saw people with GM gear and HWL gear as people that had a lot of free time to PvP and spam the Global Defense channel with useless spam, but then, I'm no PvPer.

I am getting more interested in PvP now, simply because I feel the rewards are finally actually obtainable for me now. I'm willing to bet that, once BC comes out, there will be PvP gear that puts current HWL/GM gear to shame, and this is simply Blizzard's way of letting people gear up relatively easily for BC.

And just because someone's new to BGs and doesn't have strategies & tactics down just yet, it doesn't make them a nub. It means they need to learn more. The game isn't just PvP, remember. Some of us have played mainly in PvE, and haven't gotten the experience yet to PvP and win- yet.

Edit: rated up Shaolinz for giving me a decent topic to debate in the morning.

Edited, Jan 5th 2007 7:34am by Wondroustremor

Blizz has updated their PvP rewards page.

Just a sample:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/rewards-weapons.html

I've been known for bringing the hurt to PvP with my all blues set. I grinded bg's enough to get my GM Repeater. Now I'm a force to be dealt with. (still blues) lol

If your an honest player and work full time IRL it still takes a very loooong time to earn these rewards.

Sure cheaters and no lifers can bang out a couple epics in a few days but that is not most of us.

I have trouble hanging on to the honor points. I picked up some of the Blue Lt. set and a Lobo ect instead of shooting right for the GM weapon. This time I'm going to save though until I get it.

Exactly. Many of the posts whining about how the "casuals" get their epixx for free make me wonder if I'm playing the same game. I am a casual. I work, have a girlfriend, friends, family that all take some time to care for. I play about 10-15 hours a week, as do most of the people I know. At my pace it still takes weeks, if not months to get enough honour for those "free" epixx that supposedly most people farm in a day or two...

But hey, that's fine. I don't need purple pixels to have fun in WoW.

Still, the frickin' PvP insignia already took me two weeks to get with my (now lvl40) mage!

I still remember how I got it with the old honour system after visiting the BGs for three evenings...

So please spare me the stories of "casuals" who run around fully decked in PvP epics...