Today when I was sick of grinding honor for my 39 rogue, I went to Teldrassil for some hunting with my Outrunner's Bow (I needed skill ups and I enjoy the scenery).
I was in Dolanaar, when I saw a druid needing help with a relic quest. I helped him with the quest, bought him some gear, gave him some cash, and gave him advice with professions and how to spend the money I had gave him.
I added him to friends to see how hes doin in a bit. My question is, does anyone else here enjoy helping out those who aren't as experienced?
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It's always fun. I like doing instances more than solo quests and grinding so whenever I level up an alt I often find myself in an isntance group with one or more new player. I really like helping the ones who listen, who are ignorant, but still smart. The ones that don't test my patience :(
I regularly help new players when they (politely) ask for help. What I do NOT do is give them money or pull them through instances with a high-level char, though.
I've been in a lot of instance PUGs with absolute newbies and I pride myself in trying to be helpful and teach them the basics of the game. IMO it is far more productive to help a newbie to become a better player than pick on them for making mistakes. And, of course, I still remember my own newbie days when I very much appreciated people helping me and not getting mad at me for the problems I undoubtly caused by not knowing how to play my class.
During my first instance runs I was very lucky to have good players with me, taking their time and explaining stuff. If back then I had encountered some of the über-elite-r0xx0r morons I've met later I probably would've shelved WoW for good...
I've been in a lot of instance PUGs with absolute newbies and I pride myself in trying to be helpful and teach them the basics of the game. IMO it is far more productive to help a newbie to become a better player than pick on them for making mistakes. And, of course, I still remember my own newbie days when I very much appreciated people helping me and not getting mad at me for the problems I undoubtly caused by not knowing how to play my class.
During my first instance runs I was very lucky to have good players with me, taking their time and explaining stuff. If back then I had encountered some of the über-elite-r0xx0r morons I've met later I probably would've shelved WoW for good...
I'm always happy to help them with advice or directions. Only once have I had to tell someone to take the CD back and tell the shop it is too difficult for them 
I don't think helping them with quests is actually helping them at all. It is just the WoW form of PL.
I've seen mid and even high level characters in that barrow den on Teldrasil towing round a level 8 who is so impressed by their ability to one-shot everything and gets his quest done in double-quick time. Big exp boost, ding, "Can a high lvl hlp me wit q" - rinse&repeat
It seems more a sort of ego-trip for the helper and results in players reaching the upper game completely unable to play their class because they've never actually had to. A high level always did the work for them.
It can be terribly hard to explain to some of these nitwits that you don't pay your sub to take them repeatedly through an instance 30 levels below you so they can get a rare drop which somehow their character cannot progress without.
I don't think helping them with quests is actually helping them at all. It is just the WoW form of PL.
I've seen mid and even high level characters in that barrow den on Teldrasil towing round a level 8 who is so impressed by their ability to one-shot everything and gets his quest done in double-quick time. Big exp boost, ding, "Can a high lvl hlp me wit q" - rinse&repeat
It seems more a sort of ego-trip for the helper and results in players reaching the upper game completely unable to play their class because they've never actually had to. A high level always did the work for them.
It can be terribly hard to explain to some of these nitwits that you don't pay your sub to take them repeatedly through an instance 30 levels below you so they can get a rare drop which somehow their character cannot progress without.
Wherever I go - there I am.
Although I do help players out the best I can (I am only level 27 so not much farther along than they are). I help them along, I don't hold thier hand and do it for them. This has been a standard I have uphelp through the MMO's that I have played. If you hold thier do it for them, that is what they expect and it just leads down a bad path as has been said above.
I recently was helping someone kill Ogre's in Mo'grash, and we had maybe 7 greens drop and rolled greed on each, and he won 4 of the 7 and then after he was done, actually had the nerve to ask if he could have the other 3 drops. At first I was shocked from disbelief.
Then after recovering from that, I first said no, I need money too, so I am going to sell them because things don't get cheaper as you progress in levels, so I need money just as bad as you do. To that he says he is totally broke and has no money, and needs 1g to pay off someone else he borrowed from someone else.
I stayed calm and said, well those 4 drops you got would easily sell for 40-50s a piece on the AH, so go to the AH sell them, then you will have enough money to pay off your debt. To which he replied, what about money for me.
I think that was the straw, so I told him that I go out of my way, help you kill level 18-20 elites that you wouldn't have stood a chance against 1 on 1, I asked for nothing in return. I even gave you a fair shot at all the greens, to which I had every right to claim as a fee for helping you, then I died twice to save you because you don't pay attention enough to see a huge ogre walking directly towards you and you stay right there, while I am fighting two other's in a cave, so no you're not getting these items or any help from me again, damn your selfish.
So that made me kind of mad, so I headed over to the barrens and got into a fight with some hordes to take off some steam (you can always count on some lower level hordes to attack you in thier territory to get a good PvP fest going) I think I killed 6 or 7 different horde(I wasn't corpse camping, I was actually running around to different rare spawns, figured might as well try for my recipes while killing horde) before a higher lvl came and took me out. But I blew off some steam with that, and will still help people out.
There was an upside to the story though. After a day or two I get an ingame email, that said thanks for helping and gave me 20s. The amount wasn't a big deal, I guess my being firm with him kind of set him on the right path of not being so greedy, who knows maybe he will go and help others too.
Cobra101 wrote:
I've seen mid and even high level characters in that barrow den on Teldrasil towing round a level 8 who is so impressed by their ability to one-shot everything and gets his quest done in double-quick time. Big exp boost, ding, "Can a high lvl hlp me wit q" - rinse&repeat
It seems more a sort of ego-trip for the helper and results in players reaching the upper game completely unable to play their class because they've never actually had to. A high level always did the work for them.
It can be terribly hard to explain to some of these nitwits that you don't pay your sub to take them repeatedly through an instance 30 levels below you so they can get a rare drop which somehow their character cannot progress without.
It seems more a sort of ego-trip for the helper and results in players reaching the upper game completely unable to play their class because they've never actually had to. A high level always did the work for them.
It can be terribly hard to explain to some of these nitwits that you don't pay your sub to take them repeatedly through an instance 30 levels below you so they can get a rare drop which somehow their character cannot progress without.
I recently was helping someone kill Ogre's in Mo'grash, and we had maybe 7 greens drop and rolled greed on each, and he won 4 of the 7 and then after he was done, actually had the nerve to ask if he could have the other 3 drops. At first I was shocked from disbelief.
Then after recovering from that, I first said no, I need money too, so I am going to sell them because things don't get cheaper as you progress in levels, so I need money just as bad as you do. To that he says he is totally broke and has no money, and needs 1g to pay off someone else he borrowed from someone else.
I stayed calm and said, well those 4 drops you got would easily sell for 40-50s a piece on the AH, so go to the AH sell them, then you will have enough money to pay off your debt. To which he replied, what about money for me.
I think that was the straw, so I told him that I go out of my way, help you kill level 18-20 elites that you wouldn't have stood a chance against 1 on 1, I asked for nothing in return. I even gave you a fair shot at all the greens, to which I had every right to claim as a fee for helping you, then I died twice to save you because you don't pay attention enough to see a huge ogre walking directly towards you and you stay right there, while I am fighting two other's in a cave, so no you're not getting these items or any help from me again, damn your selfish.
So that made me kind of mad, so I headed over to the barrens and got into a fight with some hordes to take off some steam (you can always count on some lower level hordes to attack you in thier territory to get a good PvP fest going) I think I killed 6 or 7 different horde(I wasn't corpse camping, I was actually running around to different rare spawns, figured might as well try for my recipes while killing horde) before a higher lvl came and took me out. But I blew off some steam with that, and will still help people out.
There was an upside to the story though. After a day or two I get an ingame email, that said thanks for helping and gave me 20s. The amount wasn't a big deal, I guess my being firm with him kind of set him on the right path of not being so greedy, who knows maybe he will go and help others too.
ParaB wrote:
I regularly help new players when they (politely) ask for help. What I do NOT do is give them money or pull them through instances with a high-level char, though.
I've been in a lot of instance PUGs with absolute newbies and I pride myself in trying to be helpful and teach them the basics of the game. IMO it is far more productive to help a newbie to become a better player than pick on them for making mistakes. And, of course, I still remember my own newbie days when I very much appreciated people helping me and not getting mad at me for the problems I undoubtly caused by not knowing how to play my class.
During my first instance runs I was very lucky to have good players with me, taking their time and explaining stuff. If back then I had encountered some of the über-elite-r0xx0r morons I've met later I probably would've shelved WoW for good...
I've been in a lot of instance PUGs with absolute newbies and I pride myself in trying to be helpful and teach them the basics of the game. IMO it is far more productive to help a newbie to become a better player than pick on them for making mistakes. And, of course, I still remember my own newbie days when I very much appreciated people helping me and not getting mad at me for the problems I undoubtly caused by not knowing how to play my class.
During my first instance runs I was very lucky to have good players with me, taking their time and explaining stuff. If back then I had encountered some of the über-elite-r0xx0r morons I've met later I probably would've shelved WoW for good...
I do and don't do the exact same thing. I willingly help lowbies in areas when I am out farming with my 60 or leveling up my professions (currently mining) and offer any help or buffs/food to them (I am a Mage) if they request it. I will not run low players through instances though (unless they are alts in my guild) or just give money.
I'd say it really depends on the attitude of the 'new' player. I got in a conversation with a player who came over from SWG a few months back and had a pally nearing lvl 30.
I ended up helping him on his quest (where I initially just gave him advice on how to complete it himself) even though he probably didn't need it. I also added him to friends and sent him the Green Iron Hauberk chest I was going to sell and also added a +3 to all stats chant on it for him as well. When I was a new player, getting the crafting mats or enough gold to get the low level items was a PITA so I enjoyed being able to help someone else in that respect.
So for me, if I like their attitude, I'll do anything within my power to help a new player get started.
I ended up helping him on his quest (where I initially just gave him advice on how to complete it himself) even though he probably didn't need it. I also added him to friends and sent him the Green Iron Hauberk chest I was going to sell and also added a +3 to all stats chant on it for him as well. When I was a new player, getting the crafting mats or enough gold to get the low level items was a PITA so I enjoyed being able to help someone else in that respect.
So for me, if I like their attitude, I'll do anything within my power to help a new player get started.
I help on occasion. I personally Solo'd from 1-60 my first character. Which is probably why I am sufficient with my class. If its something small, or something for a friend I will run instances etc for them. For the random noob I may throw a sting on them while running by after they tagged the mob just to help out.
I was out by the excavation site with my Warlock. Level 19 at the time. There was a priest already there so I simply went by him and ended up killing a mob or two. After that I got a tell from him saying that he is leaving this area because of me. Confused I said that I apologize if I scared him for some reason, and that I mean no harm. There are enough mobs for the both of us. To which he replied "I'm not scared. I don't compete for mobs. good day" So I reply to him with
"well I already quested here, and can solo the elites further up the map, I can move its no problem"
But he never got the tell. He ignored me. FOR WHAT??? I was infuriated. I had done nothing wrong, was extremely polite, even offered to move. I was so aggrivated I ended up going to the elites anyway to take out my frustration, they are a more exciting challenge anyways.
After getting level 20 I logged on my main. A classic move from days of old. Had his name written down and sent him a message. Very unlike me to do so, but I needed to be heard. It was something along the lines of "what the hell is your problem, I was being completely nice, just showed up. You say that I impose upon the mobs that are there and then try to make me feel bad. Not only that but you block me from being able to come to a resolution. This whole situation wasn't a big deal at all until now. Way to go d-bag"
No replies from him, however that was one of those buttons I can't have pushed.
Learning to be self sufficient is the most valuable (IMO) skill you can have in this game. If you can hold your own, you are that much better in a group. Help but don't make it a cakewalk. They may not realize it, but it will benefit them in the long run.
Either that or they will quit from frustration b/c noone helps beggars.
I was out by the excavation site with my Warlock. Level 19 at the time. There was a priest already there so I simply went by him and ended up killing a mob or two. After that I got a tell from him saying that he is leaving this area because of me. Confused I said that I apologize if I scared him for some reason, and that I mean no harm. There are enough mobs for the both of us. To which he replied "I'm not scared. I don't compete for mobs. good day" So I reply to him with
"well I already quested here, and can solo the elites further up the map, I can move its no problem"
But he never got the tell. He ignored me. FOR WHAT??? I was infuriated. I had done nothing wrong, was extremely polite, even offered to move. I was so aggrivated I ended up going to the elites anyway to take out my frustration, they are a more exciting challenge anyways.
After getting level 20 I logged on my main. A classic move from days of old. Had his name written down and sent him a message. Very unlike me to do so, but I needed to be heard. It was something along the lines of "what the hell is your problem, I was being completely nice, just showed up. You say that I impose upon the mobs that are there and then try to make me feel bad. Not only that but you block me from being able to come to a resolution. This whole situation wasn't a big deal at all until now. Way to go d-bag"
No replies from him, however that was one of those buttons I can't have pushed.
Learning to be self sufficient is the most valuable (IMO) skill you can have in this game. If you can hold your own, you are that much better in a group. Help but don't make it a cakewalk. They may not realize it, but it will benefit them in the long run.
Either that or they will quit from frustration b/c noone helps beggars.
I feel your pain on that one Ebonspine, some people can asses for no reason, I think it is they feel they have the right to certain things and if you come in to their area you are impeeding on their property.
I did laugh when I read this though.
If they didn't want to compete for mobs I think they should stay away from MMO's period.
I did laugh when I read this though.
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"I'm not scared. I don't compete for mobs. good day
If they didn't want to compete for mobs I think they should stay away from MMO's period.
Like many others I will help out lower level players but not with dungeon runs and only occasionally with gold but the one thing I really hate is when I do a drive by buff on someone and then get 20 minutes of pleading powerleveling.
I know I definately benefitted from random acts of kindness starting out. So I try to honor that tradition as much as possible.
Cash handouts... not so much. I aint got it like that (yet). Dungeon run-throughs... Not that I wouldnt, It just hasnt come up. But if I encounter a new player and can make them a piece of gear or enchant something for them, I will (often for skillups if I can afford the mats. not entirely selfless, but better than wasting the mats overwriting enchants no one will pay for). And if I see someone who needs a hand killing this or that, I do what I can.
Cash handouts... not so much. I aint got it like that (yet). Dungeon run-throughs... Not that I wouldnt, It just hasnt come up. But if I encounter a new player and can make them a piece of gear or enchant something for them, I will (often for skillups if I can afford the mats. not entirely selfless, but better than wasting the mats overwriting enchants no one will pay for). And if I see someone who needs a hand killing this or that, I do what I can.
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