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#1 Dec 21 2006 at 5:00 AM Rating: Default
Im moving out of state next week to enter a four year college and im taking my computer with me but not WoW, cuz i wont have time to play it and i dont want the temptation...

According to WoW Eula policies you may "permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another by physically transferring the original media.. etc." if you delete all software and documentation on the original computer. My roomate wants to take up WoW himself so i was just going to leave him my copy of WoW, but does this mean i have to delete my account? If i take all things WoW of my current computer will he be able to take over my ACCOUNT along with the physical game or is this against Blizzards rules?


And cant you change billing and contact informations with the CD-Key? If so i figured maybe its so when you give the actual game to someone they can take over your account too.

BTW just to be clear im not selling anything im just giving him my game...
#2 Dec 21 2006 at 6:15 AM Rating: Decent
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As long as you are not trying to log on at the same time that your buddy is, I don't think Blizz cares. My wife and I share one account, and I have a second account all to myself. The account that we share, we got when we first started and had only one computer in the home at the time, and thus we never logged on to it at the same time. With the addition of my core2duo computer, I still make sure that I'm fully logged out of the original account before the wife logs on even though my computers are connected via a router, and most likely share an IP address.

I have heard stories about people logging in from Idaho, then 10 mins later logging in from China. Blizzard keeps track of the location where you log in from, the IP addresses, times, dates, everything. I would only worry about that though if you intend to ever access the account again.

I would encourage your friend to change the password, and when the time arises where you recover your account from your friend, that you change the password aswell.
#3 Dec 21 2006 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Because you can download a single game on many computers, it will be fine just delete your version and give him your stuff, he'll install it on his computer and use the same CD-Key and account name, however under your account info on the Blizzard site you will have to go in and replace the payment type if you are using your credit card. If you are using game cards from the stores it shouldn't be a problem then.

After all that is said and done, you just 'basically' bought WoW and gave it to your friend as a gift. Yes, if one of you is logged in and the other tries or both try at same or close time then the account will get flagged and more than likely canceled for that CD-Key meaning you/he would have to buy a new copy of the game.

GL in college and win a beer pong tourney for me :P
#4 Dec 21 2006 at 6:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Bah double post, sorry darn wireless connection

Edited, Dec 21st 2006 5:33am by Darister
#5REDACTED, Posted: Dec 21 2006 at 7:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If your account has a high level character..like a 60..then I'd suggest selling it instead. You can find WoW lvl 60 characters going for thousands of dollars on Ebay right now..depending on specs of the character. Make some money out of all those pointless hours spent on your PC.
#6 Dec 21 2006 at 7:44 PM Rating: Good
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fitzerific wrote:
As long as you are not trying to log on at the same time that your buddy is, I don't think Blizz cares. My wife and I share one account, and I have a second account all to myself. The account that we share, we got when we first started and had only one computer in the home at the time, and thus we never logged on to it at the same time.

This is false information.

You and your wife may NOT share a single WoW account. This is specifically spelled out by Blizzard:

Blizzard wrote:
Only two people are EVER allowed to access the account (from the moment the account is created to the end of time). Who are those two people? The first is the person who set up the account in their own name (you aren't allowed to set up an account in any name other than your own legal name). The second is one (1) of the children or trustees (under age 18) of the first person. Not siblings, not parents, not spouses, not friends, not strangers.

Blizzard wrote:
Our Terms of Use prohibits the sharing of accounts except in the situation where a parent or guardian authorizes access to one child.

Blizzard wrote:
The ToU speaks extensively about what you may and may not do with a World of Warcraft account. This section highlights a few passages from the ToU that are most relevant to this policy. The core message is that you, and only you (with the exception of a minor authorized to use an account by a parent or guardian), should be accessing an account registered in your name.

* Blizzard Entertainment does not recognize the transfer of Accounts between individuals. (Section 1E of the ToU)
* You may [b]not share your Account or password with anyone[b], except that if you are a parent or guardian, you [n]may permit one (1) minor child to use the Account instead of you[b] (in which case you may not use that Account at the same time). (Section 1A of the ToU)

Your friend or your spouse are NOT a minor child. This specifically NOT ALLOWED. Period, full stop.

And before you ask:
Blizzard wrote:
WHAT ABOUT COMMUNITY PROPERTY LAWS?

In some States, Countries and regions, a married couple owns all property jointly, so why can't they both use a single World of Warcraft account? The answer lies in what a World of Warcraft Account is and who owns it. Blizzard maintains ownership of all World of Warcraft accounts. The Terms of Use agreement is a license to use the account you establish, as long as you obey all the rules. A World of Warcraft account is like an amusement park ticket. By buying the ticket you, and one of your minor children if you so choose, can enter the amusement park. While you and your spouse may be one legal entity for property considerations, you will each need your own ticket in order to enter the amusement park. Tickets cannot be given away or shared with anyone; they only grant entrance for one specific person and their minor child. Additionally, if you break the rules your ticket may be revoked; allowing other people -including your spouse- to use your ticket instead of acquiring their own is considered a serious infraction and may result in everyone involved being escorted from the amusement park!


Try this: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wowaa/?id=aDisplay02046p

Edited, Dec 21st 2006 4:49pm by Felicite
#7 Dec 21 2006 at 9:29 PM Rating: Default
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fitzerific wrote:
As long as you are not trying to log on at the same time that your buddy is, I don't think Blizz cares. My wife and I share one account, and I have a second account all to myself. The account that we share, we got when we first started and had only one computer in the home at the time, and thus we never logged on to it at the same time.

This is false information.

You and your wife may NOT share a single WoW account. This is specifically spelled out by Blizzard:


Blizzard wrote:
Only two people are EVER allowed to access the account (from the moment the account is created to the end of time). Who are those two people? The first is the person who set up the account in their own name (you aren't allowed to set up an account in any name other than your own legal name). The second is one (1) of the children or trustees (under age 18) of the first person. Not siblings, not parents, not spouses, not friends, not strangers.


Blizzard wrote:
Our Terms of Use prohibits the sharing of accounts except in the situation where a parent or guardian authorizes access to one child.


Blizzard wrote:
The ToU speaks extensively about what you may and may not do with a World of Warcraft account. This section highlights a few passages from the ToU that are most relevant to this policy. The core message is that you, and only you (with the exception of a minor authorized to use an account by a parent or guardian), should be accessing an account registered in your name.

* Blizzard Entertainment does not recognize the transfer of Accounts between individuals. (Section 1E of the ToU)
* You may [b]not share your Account or password with anyone[b], except that if you are a parent or guardian, you [n]may permit one (1) minor child to use the Account instead of you[b] (in which case you may not use that Account at the same time). (Section 1A of the ToU)

Your friend or your spouse are NOT a minor child. This specifically NOT ALLOWED. Period, full stop.

And before you ask:

Blizzard wrote:
WHAT ABOUT COMMUNITY PROPERTY LAWS?

In some States, Countries and regions, a married couple owns all property jointly, so why can't they both use a single World of Warcraft account? The answer lies in what a World of Warcraft Account is and who owns it. Blizzard maintains ownership of all World of Warcraft accounts. The Terms of Use agreement is a license to use the account you establish, as long as you obey all the rules. A World of Warcraft account is like an amusement park ticket. By buying the ticket you, and one of your minor children if you so choose, can enter the amusement park. While you and your spouse may be one legal entity for property considerations, you will each need your own ticket in order to enter the amusement park. Tickets cannot be given away or shared with anyone; they only grant entrance for one specific person and their minor child. Additionally, if you break the rules your ticket may be revoked; allowing other people -including your spouse- to use your ticket instead of acquiring their own is considered a serious infraction and may result in everyone involved being escorted from the amusement park!


Try this: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wo...splay02046p


How would they know though? Lets say that my girlfriend wants to play too, I already play. She makes another toon either on my server or another server and just plays when I am not playing or not home. She use's the same computer as I do, so it's not like she is in a different town and trying to play when I am.

And the OP now has 2 accounts so it doesn't matter anymore hehe :)

edit: Thanks hehe forgot the y I guess :)

Edited, Dec 21st 2006 11:57pm by CallofKtulu
#8 Dec 21 2006 at 10:15 PM Rating: Decent
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How would the know though? Lets say that my girlfriend wants to play too, I already play. She makes another toon either on my server or another server and just plays when I am not playing or not home. She use's the same computer as I do, so it's not like she is in a different town and trying to play when I am.

And the OP now has 2 accounts so it doesn't matter anymore hehe :)



Lets say you say this on Oboards

Lets say they banned you

Only way i could think that they might know . . .
#9 Dec 21 2006 at 10:58 PM Rating: Decent
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CallofKtulu wrote:
How would the(y) know though? Lets say that my girlfriend wants to play too, I already play. She makes another toon either on my server or another server and just plays when I am not playing or not home. She use's the same computer as I do, so it's not like she is in a different town and trying to play when I am.

And the OP now has 2 accounts so it doesn't matter anymore hehe :)


How do they know if you..
* Go to 3 movies in a row on the one ticket.
* Run a red light becuase you did not feel like waiting.
* Shoplift.
* Lie about charitable contributions on your taxes.
* Pocket a tip laying on a table as you pass.

I am betting you could let your entire dorm play on a few accounts.. I am just reporting what the rules are.

Look. My spouse played, once. I broke the rules. Ok, fry me. Played once and not interested in playing again. If it was more, I would get another (fourth actually) account.

But.. to advise someone to share an account because "Blizzard doesn't care" is completely false. They have made their policy 100% clear and look for this kind of thing actively.

If you want to prove you can ignore this.. I'm not telling you that you can't. And I'm not telling you that you'll get caught.. how do I know. I am just correcting statement. What you do with this information is up to you.

Edited, Dec 21st 2006 8:03pm by Felicite
#10 Dec 21 2006 at 11:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I was just trying to make a counter statement. It doesn't pretain to me, but the OP. Just doing a "what if" senario. I would personally, if I was going to do that, try it out first and then purchase it. I wouldn't share an account with someone
#11 Dec 22 2006 at 2:07 AM Rating: Default
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Ah, Felicite you are correct, I wasn't trying to imply that Blizz doesn't care about account sharing. I was simply making an example of where, should Blizz discover, they probably would not make a big deal about it. Of course if my wife went balistic and started sharding all my toon's epix and deleting lvl 60 after lvl 60, I think Blizz would probably laugh at me when I mention that the wife did it out of spite.

Personally, I only use the wife's account on the occasions where she is not playing. While we shared it I played a number of toons to highly desireable level and finantial standing and I want to continue using them on occation.

Should Blizz choose to ban me for trying to get the wife as interested in this game as I am by sharing an account I would probably get upset for a few minutes and then start playing my other account.

In my mind, other than the issue of security of your account, the only viable reason not to share an account is that many people share their characters and grind them to obtain unhuman advantage such as in PVP. My wife and I do not share characters, and she plays so infrequently that the cumulative time spent between me and her playing that account is equivalent to a lower end hard core gamer.

But, yes Felicite you are right that Blizz doesn't want account sharing.
#12 Dec 22 2006 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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In all honesty, yes, this is against the terms of use. Should you give the account to your friend, keep in mind, the account stays in your name. The name on the account CANNOT be changed. Should your friend get hacked (or any other odd circumstance) and have to provide proof of ownership of the account, he'll be SOL unless you step in to help. Probably doable unless you guys have a falling out or something. He'd be better off just buying his own tho, so his own name is on the account in case of problems.
#13REDACTED, Posted: Dec 22 2006 at 10:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What happened to my post about Ebay? Dont tell me that it was deleted for some kind of bogus TOU garbage. WoW accounts being sold is a FACT that cant be denied or will go away on it's own just because some people want to stick their heads in the sand. There's nothing Blizzard..or anyone..can do about it, so I dont see why you'd have to regulate my post about the option. I think that's an abuse of your power IMO.
#14 Dec 22 2006 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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Blizzard Also wrote:
While we may not allow spouse or other family to use your account, we have no method of proving you're sharing your account unless IP address anomalies occur. This makes it extremely difficult to enforce.



well, they didn't really -say- that, but how many people do you know who got banned because they were sharing their account with their brother?
Basically Blizzard is saying "No you can't share your account because that would keep us from collecting money from you and that's not FAIR."

They seem to neglect to notice that when you're sharing your account, and someone else is on, you aren't. So it's like one person playing constantly. :P

They just don't want you to have any fun without having to pay through the nose.
#15 Dec 22 2006 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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GrimGambit wrote:
What happened to my post about Ebay? Dont tell me that it was deleted for some kind of bogus TOU garbage. WoW accounts being sold is a FACT that cant be denied or will go away on it's own just because some people want to stick their heads in the sand. There's nothing Blizzard..or anyone..can do about it, so I dont see why you'd have to regulate my post about the option. I think that's an abuse of your power IMO.


Your post got rated down by USERS, not admin action.

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Yes, Ebay is a fact. So are bannings. Go around proclaiming that Ebay is a good thing and I will have zero qualms about "abusing my power" and rating you down again. Go ahead, try it.
#16REDACTED, Posted: Dec 22 2006 at 11:15 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I wasnt "proclaiming" anything. I was just giving him an option that nobody had mentioned so far. Just because you consider the option a bad one...doesnt make it so. It's only your opinion. And far from being worth threatening me with another banning.
#17 Dec 22 2006 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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I wasnt "proclaiming" anything. I was just giving him an option that nobody had mentioned so far. Just because you consider the option a bad one...doesnt make it so. It's only your opinion. And far from being worth threatening me with another banning.


I think it is. If you're gonna encourage something that the board as a whole disagrees with then expect this kind of response.

You can try to play the martyr but really very few people here agree with you since no one likes finding a level 60 ebayed priest in their groups. "duhh guys whats renew? sorry I just bought this account with my parents credit dard lolpwnz."

So accept the fact that we don't share your opinion and move on, that or undertsand that people will just rate you down until no one sees your posts anyway.

The choice is yours.
#18 Dec 22 2006 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Rhey wrote:
Blizzard Also wrote:
While we may not allow spouse or other family to use your account, we have no method of proving you're sharing your account unless IP address anomalies occur. This makes it extremely difficult to enforce.


well, they didn't really -say- that, but how many people do you know who got banned because they were sharing their account with their brother?

Why do Americans insist on proving they can ignore the rules? Is the government repressing you so much?

And when you go and make absolute claims like "have no method of proving you're sharing your account unless IP address anomalies occur", I have to call BS.

The technology is well established that could detect differences in how you interact with the computer. I am also sure it's not worth the effort and bad press. I was reading about this idea back in the 1980s, you think that maybe people that care (Banks, Retailers, the Government) might have put some effort into this idea? A few seconds with Google yielding me scores of papers like this one:
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The authors present a thorough and useful description of their work on the use of keystroke latencies (the intervals between successive keystrokes) to authenticate the identity of a computer user. Their approach requires each user to enter four strings at logon: identifier, password or personal identification number (PIN), first name, and last name. The experiments employed relatively few people with many shared characteristics: they were �university students or staff� and between the ages of 20 [and] 45.� With this limited population, they were able to achieve simultaneous error rates of 1 percent false acceptances, representing successful impersonations, and 7 percent false rejections, representing unsuccessful accurate claims of identity. The authors say, A false alarm rate of 5 percent could well be acceptable since it would be nothing more than a nuisance in that a genuine user would, on the average, fail to get access to the system 1 out of 20 attempts.

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=75577.75582

So they are saying they can tell Person A from Person B 19 times out of 20 based on a single dialog. Imagine how freaking easy it would be based on how you play the game.. there are so many ways you do things differently from your girlfriend.

And before you flame me, I am not telling you not to share.. I am not telling you Blizzard will figure out that you and your girlfriend share the account on off hours. I don't care. You're an adult, you get to decide for you.

But, again, it's this BS that "the Man can't tell!". BULL PUCKY. *IF* they wanted to, they could 100% tell. Privacy is dead in the modern world. Get over it.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2006 8:24am by Felicite
#19 Dec 22 2006 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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To the OP, you can do what-ever you want. It's very little risk to you as you intend to sever your business relationship with Blizzard.

It's a significant potential risk to your buddy though. A co-worker purchased a warrior to act as main tank as his guild needed one urgently. My co-worker a pretty decent person, can't say I agree with paying $600 for a toon, but it's his money.

Co-worker lost this account when the original owner got flippy, and reported it stolen.

Along with all his "legit" accounts also using that credit card number.

I neither tolerate, nor endorse character transfer as it often makes for lousy players. However, I realize my opinion can only control me. Blizzard has also made their opinion on this very clear.

They are not kidding. You're not allowed to transfer accounts.

They do NOT endorse this, they DO take action when they find out.
#20 Dec 22 2006 at 12:51 PM Rating: Default
Who cares? Good god some of you people need to loosen up. Once my friend was over and wanted to try out wow so i let him play on my account. ZOMG call the blizzard police!!! He just cheated you guys out of money and broke the law!!! And one time i saw him kill some one!!!11! really!
#21 Dec 22 2006 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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stainlessteel wrote:
Who cares? Good god some of you people need to loosen up. Once my friend was over and wanted to try out wow so i let him play on my account. ZOMG call the blizzard police!!! He just cheated you guys out of money and broke the law!!! And one time i saw him kill some one!!!11! really!


If your friend really wanted to try the game, you could use the refer-a-friend program, and hey, maybe even earn a free month out of the deal. I've gotten 1 free month so far.

I have no problems with someone "letting someone play on their account once" cause let's face it, you won't enjoy it because you can't do anything challenging. I do have problems with people transferring accounts. Free, paid, doesn't matter, it's against the terms of use, you WILL get caught eventually, and you'll get banned.

#22 Dec 22 2006 at 3:45 PM Rating: Default
Against the TOU? The TOU for what? For the game...or for these forums? You're talking about two seperate things. If Blizzard "frowns" on it...does that automatically equate into making it a taboo subject here? Are these forums that controlled by the Blizzard viewpoint that it would result in trying to repress information that's public knowledge?
#23 Dec 22 2006 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're giving it away why do you care if you CAN according to Blizzard or not?


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#24 Dec 26 2006 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
I think I pretty much know the answer to this question, but I thought I'd throw it buy you guys to see what you think.
My buddy and I bought one of those $2 trial version and we played it at his place. After a day or two he lost interest and I just continued playing. The trial is almost up,I'm buying the full version tomorrow. When we first I'd like to continue playing the character we made now (lvl 19 pally) because I put pretty much all the work in, but the trial account is in his name because he was sitting at the comp when we first started. I guess I could technically just upgrade it, but the account would be in his name. So:
-What events would happen where Blizzard would need actual physical evidence of the account's owner? (we live in an apartment so mailing address/phone is the same)
-Can I delete the trial account character and remake it as lvl 1, with the same name, on my new account from the full version game I'm buying?

Basically I put quite a few hours in and I'd hate to lose everything I've gained (as noob as it is). Is it worth starting over from scratch and losing the hours and hours I've put in, but having my own account or just continue with his name on the account?
#25 Dec 27 2006 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know much about the trial versions or if the characters transfer so you don't have to start from scratch, however.....it does seem that you put a lot of work into getting your pally to lvl 19 right now. I know when I first started the game it seemed like that. If you do have to start from scratch it won't seem as long to get to lvl 19 because of all of the experience of the game itself you'll have.

Either way if you lose that character it won't be too much of a hassle you can get back to that lvl in a small amount of time.
#26 Dec 27 2006 at 3:15 AM Rating: Default
How do they know if you..
* Go to 3 movies in a row on the one ticket.- done this too many times to count
* Run a red light becuase you did not feel like waiting.- every day
* Shoplift.- prolly about 2-3 times as a small child stealing 5 cent candy
* Lie about charitable contributions on your taxes.- every year
* Pocket a tip laying on a table as you pass. - many times in my teen years mostly takeing my own parents tips after they leave the table
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