Ok, so heres the deal.
ive been playing for about a year. messed around with all the classes to try em out, finally stuck with my hunter. (51 now)
intro'd a couple of very good friends to WoW.
One rolled a warrior, and is doing a damn good job of it. no complaints, and hes a great party member when the times arise.
the other rolled a hunter, making me very happy at first, thinking i would finally get someone to talk about gear with.
but...
much to my dismay, hes become the regular sterotipacal hunter. Ninja looting, non pet-dismissing, need on everything w/intel,stam,agil (and even sometimes strength-wtf?), and he's taken many a good drops form my war friend.
its become so bad that nether me or my war freind want to group with him anymore, which sucks.
what i appeal to my fellow horde is a way to tell him that he'll understand, or a hard lesson he can learn about propper grouping ethics.
a quick sorry for my spelling/gramar. its about 2am, and i cant spell anyways.
thnx much
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2. People never learn. You group with him or you don't.
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2. People never learn. You group with him or you don't.
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Yeah...if he continues to do that, explain to him. Give him one more chance, if he doesn't take it, then don't group with him. He'll get it eventually.
Edited, Dec 22nd 2006 2:40am by lpadirn
Well, from my experience with ninja looters and dumb "greedy" newbies I find it is pretty difficult to get it across to him.
Say what, take your war friend instancing somewhere, and tell him he can come along IF he mends his ways (explain how if you haven't already), as he will be expected to know correct "manners" at higher levels or he will be sistematically kicked out of any groups, if that doesn't get to him I doubt anything will.
thanks Azatodeth ill have to try that.
it just sucks that he sucks so bad
it just sucks that he sucks so bad
I dont understand it seems that most hunters think anything that drops that has agi,stam,str,they take or ask to need on it but in my experinces with hunters in groups they will take some leather armor thats for rogues and daggers I mean come on they can use better armor than us rogues mail but they still think they need everthing but im not saying all hunters do it but most but for your friend give him 1 more chance and you got to tell him about the ruels about drops and if dosent listen dont talk to him and dont group with him also he might get the point
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Yeah... I've had a hunter "need" a blue dagger in an instance when I, as the only rogue in the group, could have really gotten an upgrade from my sorry green dagger at the time -- "it's an upgrade, I use a dagger" was his initial response.
/roll
The leader kicked him out after he said something along the lines of "I'll take anything I damn well please" when we tried to reason with him.
The best part was... as soon as he was forced to teleport back to Org from the instance timer, we came across a blue bow in a chest that would have been perfect for him :P
Oh, how we laughed. Sweet sweet irony :)
/roll
The leader kicked him out after he said something along the lines of "I'll take anything I damn well please" when we tried to reason with him.
The best part was... as soon as he was forced to teleport back to Org from the instance timer, we came across a blue bow in a chest that would have been perfect for him :P
Oh, how we laughed. Sweet sweet irony :)
To break a total group noob in, let him do a few PUGs and when they yell at him enough he will learn. If that does not work then get him addicted to another game,:)
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Thanks for the help all, but im gonna have to go with OliviaT's sugestion.
Two night ago in ST. We were gonna drop down after killing the 6 mini bosses. Heres how it went.
Tarnikoth-"dismiss pets and jump?"
Warrior-"yeah why not"
party jumps
Hunter Friend-"where did my cat go?"
War-"you didnt dismiss?"
Hunter-"why would i do that?"
Warrior kicked him, and popped an invisibility pot (which hed been saving for this spacific reason), and squezed himself into a corner, i fieghned, rouge stealthed, and preist backed up and fadded.
Not going to party with him anymore.
Two night ago in ST. We were gonna drop down after killing the 6 mini bosses. Heres how it went.
Tarnikoth-"dismiss pets and jump?"
Warrior-"yeah why not"
party jumps
Hunter Friend-"where did my cat go?"
War-"you didnt dismiss?"
Hunter-"why would i do that?"
Warrior kicked him, and popped an invisibility pot (which hed been saving for this spacific reason), and squezed himself into a corner, i fieghned, rouge stealthed, and preist backed up and fadded.
Not going to party with him anymore.
He proved being an idiot, he deserves you not "babysitting" him through instances, a stupid hunter is one of a party's worst enemies.
On that note, I didn't have any problem's there, love my pretty demon's ability to just appear at my side :D
- I jump down to green dragonkin filled arena
- Quzgup (imp) glitches through the floor and joins me xD
As a hunter, I follow a few simple rules when raiding and/or instancing. You can try explaining these to this guy but I get the feeling he is convinced he is doing what he should and won't use strategic tips. Much like "melee" hunters who think they can tank as good as a warrior. Yeah ok...
Anyways here are a fe wthings you can use to help teach him if you think it will do any good...
First thing I do is find out who the main tank and off tank (if we have one) are. I ask them if they want growl, dash, dive etc ahead of time. Most won't since it pulls aggro. I keep the pet on passive, so he doesn't run off, if he gets aggro he won't fight back unless I tell him and doesn't wander, etc.
I ask if they want freeze or frost traps. A good hunter always keeps these up and uses them often. I ask if they want me to feign death pull or provide dps only. When the tank pulls, I usually drop a slowing trap right at his "pull spot" or in the fight zone in case we get adds. This allows the mage to sheep, druid to sleep, offtank to pick up the add, or me to feign if necessary. And even on a single pull, it helps the tank to gain aggro by slowing the movement down so he can build threat.
I use KLH threat meter and drop feign every time I start to move up the threat rank. A smart hunter shouldn't ever really be topping the threat list anyways. We are not a toe to toe melee class and just can't survive a concentrated beating with mail, regardless of how good it is. I used to think hunters could until we went for Hakkar the first time and he took interest in me. PvE soloing is great for convincing a hunter that they can tank jsut like a warrior..../sarcasm. It usually only takes one serious beating in a raid to change your thinking.
If the hunter still will not listen, it's probably best to be blunt with him. Tell him straight up "we have tried to help you and teach you to work with us as a team but you are not making things easier. Until you can learn to work with the team and listen to people when they need things, we need to not group with you. It's jsut not workign out".
On a side note, in regards to loot, my guild uses the following strategy that tends to work really well.
We do greed greens, pass on BoP/blues and use a master looter. Rep items are distributed in order of the group (i.e. corrupted scourgestones, everyone rolls. Winner each time passes til all have the stone, then we repeat). This tends to avoid the greedy "needing" ninja tools. If you use this idea and he still does the need thing, warn him once what the rules are and give him a chance to get his head and *** wired together. If he does it again, either boot him or let him die on the next pull then boot him and get a hunter who listens.
Just my 2 cents...
Anyways here are a fe wthings you can use to help teach him if you think it will do any good...
First thing I do is find out who the main tank and off tank (if we have one) are. I ask them if they want growl, dash, dive etc ahead of time. Most won't since it pulls aggro. I keep the pet on passive, so he doesn't run off, if he gets aggro he won't fight back unless I tell him and doesn't wander, etc.
I ask if they want freeze or frost traps. A good hunter always keeps these up and uses them often. I ask if they want me to feign death pull or provide dps only. When the tank pulls, I usually drop a slowing trap right at his "pull spot" or in the fight zone in case we get adds. This allows the mage to sheep, druid to sleep, offtank to pick up the add, or me to feign if necessary. And even on a single pull, it helps the tank to gain aggro by slowing the movement down so he can build threat.
I use KLH threat meter and drop feign every time I start to move up the threat rank. A smart hunter shouldn't ever really be topping the threat list anyways. We are not a toe to toe melee class and just can't survive a concentrated beating with mail, regardless of how good it is. I used to think hunters could until we went for Hakkar the first time and he took interest in me. PvE soloing is great for convincing a hunter that they can tank jsut like a warrior..../sarcasm. It usually only takes one serious beating in a raid to change your thinking.
If the hunter still will not listen, it's probably best to be blunt with him. Tell him straight up "we have tried to help you and teach you to work with us as a team but you are not making things easier. Until you can learn to work with the team and listen to people when they need things, we need to not group with you. It's jsut not workign out".
On a side note, in regards to loot, my guild uses the following strategy that tends to work really well.
We do greed greens, pass on BoP/blues and use a master looter. Rep items are distributed in order of the group (i.e. corrupted scourgestones, everyone rolls. Winner each time passes til all have the stone, then we repeat). This tends to avoid the greedy "needing" ninja tools. If you use this idea and he still does the need thing, warn him once what the rules are and give him a chance to get his head and *** wired together. If he does it again, either boot him or let him die on the next pull then boot him and get a hunter who listens.
Just my 2 cents...
I have always said that the anonymity of on-line games brings out the true self. You friend is merely demonstrating their true personality. If you are uncomfortable, even apalled, at what they are really like, be grateful WOW has revealed them for what they are and look for new friends.
Like the old saying goes, you find out what a person is really like when you see what they do when they think no one is looking. Thankfully, a lot of people turn out to be good, but plenty of them turn out to be bad.
Like the old saying goes, you find out what a person is really like when you see what they do when they think no one is looking. Thankfully, a lot of people turn out to be good, but plenty of them turn out to be bad.
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