Will the tides of PvP turn?Follow

Greetings horde and alliance players.

Before I proceed with this post, if you are going to respond, plz refrain from putting down the opposite faction, calling them immature, calling them newbs, pretty boy lovers, sick in the head (if you use undead) etc.. etc.. Im sure we have all read the insults going from one faction to another....

Onwards with the point of the post.....


As the release of the expansion draws near, I begin to wonder about what will happen with PvP. generally speaking, Horde > Alliance in AB and WSG and Alliance> Horde in AV. I do not know why this is. A common belief is that newer players pick alliance for the looks (this not meant to target/insult alliance players, I am simply stating what I have seen) over the horde. And I will be honest, initially, thats what the case was for me. I joined alliance for the good looks. As soon as I became a little more PvP savvy, i hopped on to the horde. That is just one theory though.

I am just curious to get other players (MATURE) opinions. With the expansions release of a "prettier" race on horde, and an "ugly" race on alliance, do you guys think that the horde is gonna receive some of the "bad stuff" that makes alliance lose in PvP, and alliance recieve some of the 'good stuff" from horde?
Or do you think its all just BS?

I would love to hear what other players think.
Of course, I would appreciate it even more so if we can PLAEASE keep it simply as contructive conversation, between horde and alliance players alike, rather than it turning into a horde vs. alliance flame war.


Look fwd to hearing from all

I have also found different things attract different people.

From my experience, the Alliance is more centered around kill-Count than actually winning. In my opinion, this because of a few things:

1. Alliance races are "cleaner." They tend to attract people who, like me, are slight control freaks. People who are control freaks tend to, in my opinion, lose sight of the end result in favor of smaller steps. Thus, they originally get centered on the kill-count and their addiction to that aspect of PvP grows.

2. The Alliance mentality itself may lend a hand. The lore behind the Alliance is that, "Not on our turf!" message. The Silverwing Sentinels are pissed because the Horde is using thier trees for lumber, cutting them down and hurting "their" forest. Humans are a very ignorant race when you think about it. They dislike the whole of the Orcish race because of History. If you recall, Admiral Proudmore was the real major shake that destroyed the true Grand Alliance because of his intolerance.

3. They get pissed off because of the horrible lag in IF, SW and Darnassus. (Only partially joking, it takes its toll over time.)

The Horde races are more goal oriented for a few reasons:

1. The Alliance has MANY more Twinks than the Horde does. So, growing up through the BGs, the Horde players learn to combat it the best they can. There is a low probability of beating a decent Twink player in combat. But, working as a team, they can be successful in capturing the flag. In the end, the flags often matter more.

2. They are the "Hulkish" races of Azeroth. Because of this, they attract players who may want to vent after a hard day at school, work or home. Players who are there for pure fun are often less "ZOMG! DIE DIE DIE YOU STUPID ^#$." This allows for greater teamwork, albeit it isn't much of a factor.

3. I, being a younger player, am perfectly willing to admit this. Younger players are way more likely to play immaturely than older ones. But, I also consider "Young" to stretch to the mid-twenties, where the party mentality starts to wear off. Some of the overly-hormonal teens can be quite annoying, and it only takes one person to make a game miserable.

There are a TON more factors that go into it all. "Pretty" and "Ugly" aren't really a cause of the difference between factions, but they do help it along.

The addition of a "Pretty" race to the Horde will not, in the long run, change anything really.

Mature players will still shun the less mature in the game, which will make them less likely to change factions. If you have a character in the forties and friends on one server, you aren't going to go somewhere where you are starting from scratch and finding it difficult to make friends. The bad players won't win games nor will they get into good raiding guilds.

It will be odd for the first month or so, but then it will even off.

I personally, will be rolling a Blood Elf as I have been waiting for them since the beginning. I currently tend to flip-flop Horde/Alliance because, even though I love Gnomes/Night Elves, I hate the Alliance atmosphere.

Oh yeah, and in case you were wondering, I am sixteen years old. Thought it might be an interesting perspective.

It'll more of the same. Then again maybe the arena system will dilute the BGs to the point where only casuals play BGs. If that happens you should see more balance in the BGs.

I initially picked alliance cause my friends were there. I've stayed cause they gots gnomes: small, cute and deadly. All traits I admire.

I've played some hordies but never could stay interested. One reason that stands out: (you guys aren't gonna like this) I can't stand Durotar. Seriously, ugliest location on Azeroth. You start out in a God forsaken dust bowl, level to 10 and move on to a bigger God forsaken dust bowl. I just can't stand it. Least undeads get a cool newbie area but eventually you gotta migrate to the God forsaken dust bowl too. ><

I have no idea if Horde or Alliance is 'better' at PvP. I think what you are seeing is mainly due to the imbalance of the various BG. I play mainly Horde, and AV as currently implemented is uphill all the way for the Horde. At one point, since the last patch, I lost 32 straight. The Horde *can* win AV, but they can't win quick zergs as easily as the Alliance, since the Horde base layout is gimped. I think the Horde's chances, if they actually tried to defend and win, are roughly 30% in AV, and many Horde players prefer to have a quick game with quick honor, and not bother defending at all.

I haven't played WSG enough to say, but it seems as if the AB layout favors the Horde. It seems to me that LM, BS and Farm are pretty easy for Horde to grab, and then the Allaince have an uphill fight the rest of the game.

I think both sides are basically equally inept in PUGed BGs. The BGs are simply not very balanced.

I must say, I LOVE that escape artist is now instant cast like it was always meant to be. It's awesome.

PVP IN GENERAL IS CONCENTRATED WITHIN HORDE FACTIONS, WITH THAT INCLUDING GENERALLY OLDER PLAYERS, IT TRANSLATES INTO UPPED-UP DEDICATION TO PVP/GAMING.

WOW STINKY I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU MAKE PERFECT SENSE.

I looked at all the skills and attributes that each race had. I found undead to be the most enjoyable. If I wanted a game for its graphics, I'd go pick up the PS3. I prefer PVP, so I went with Undead, because of its WotF. Granted each race has its thing, but whatev. I agree with some things, about how horde becomes more goal-oriented, and disagree with others, how the majority of younger people pick things for looks. My friends girlfriend is, I hate to say it, very self-centered and extremely shallow. However she started off with the Tauren, not because they we're cute by being cows, but because she felt that she could play them best. Note: Her first MMO.

Shaman are pretty powerful... but Paladins simply outclass them IF YOU PUT A GOOD PLAYER BEHIND THE WHEELS OF BOTH.

Bad Shaman > Bad Paladin. Good Shaman < Good Paladin. Great Shaman <<< Great Paladin.

Of course, now that Retnoob Paladins can punch through my armor with a TUF this is less true than it used to be... now Paladins may just outclass Shaman at all levels.