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#1 Dec 09 2006 at 9:22 PM Rating: Default
Hi, I play the horde and ya know what im sick of everytime i go into AB i walk in and boom were fighting a premade ive done like 12 ABs today and only 1 of them was not a premade. i thnk you guys should stop being sissys and fight us fairly. not like cheap little chickens.
#2 Dec 09 2006 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
erm i have been gone for a bit but since when did premades become "unfair"
#3 Dec 10 2006 at 5:12 AM Rating: Decent
Excuse my ignorance...but what is a 'premade'? And why would it be considered bad?
#4 Dec 10 2006 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
a premade is a group that queue's together for a BG and they know how to cooperate. pug are pick-up group which are people who queued alone. now this post is stupid because the person here keeps losing BG's so they want to get pissed off at premades since they're so good. i honestly win 1/2 of my bg's and it keeps me fine but other people get pissed off and start saying crap about u in a bg and while they're cussing they arent doing anything themselves
#5 Dec 10 2006 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
I keep hearing people say "pre-mades" when actually that's not the problem. I have no issues going up against an Alliance pre-made. Actually I find that most are not really any better than a normal Alliance PUG. I think what the issue is, is the gear these PUGs are wearing. Just for curiosity...why would a guild (most PUGs I've seen are not only same server but same guild) want to qeue up for a BG when they're in Tier 1 and 2? The HWL and weapons are inferior to what your already wearing and using? If it's to get revenge for all those games you got pwnd before then, okay..I understand.

By all means allow the pre-mades to continue? Fighting another rogue in Tier 2 while I'm wearing 3/8 shadowcraft is the kind of challenge I enjoy. My skill can only improve when fighting someone better geared than me. I have to find a way to hit you 6 times to your 1 and not allow you to hit me more than 5 times or I'm dead. So prepare yourself as that ratio decreases as I get my new gear. The added armor and stam (damn near double what I have now) will definitely allow me to hang around a little longer.

More power to ya Alliance. I realize your actually human beings like me, most with jobs and families and such. I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield. Good luck to ya.
#6 Dec 11 2006 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
Funny, maybe you could look at the Alliance side of PuGs facing Horde premades. People, the world is bigger than what you can see...

Fighting you fairly; you mean you can't organize your fellow Horde at all?

No one has a right to complain about premades, cause both factions do it.
#7 Dec 11 2006 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
So let me get this straight... it's somehow 'unfair' for a group of people to coordinate and plan a group and strategy to function to the peak of their abilities and teamwork... yeah... ummmm... I just don't even know what to say.
#8 Dec 11 2006 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
As much as I hate "premades" I'm actually going to defend them somewhat. Back when, you HAD to do a "premade" to be able to BG at all. It didn't que you up until you had run around your server collecting a full group to sign up. PUGs are the addition to BGs, not premades. Honestly the best way to beat a premade is for one person to step up, take leadership, and everyone else follow directions. I've beaten alliance premades with random horde PUGs just by doing that.
#9 Dec 11 2006 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
The only reason a premade would even have an advantage is a previous commitment to leadership and following orders. If they have some sort of voice communication you've won 2/3 of the battle anyway. The previous poster also hit it on the head, the problems with PUG's is that no one freaking listens...

Just like any warfare, the strategy is more important than the soldiers. The communication becomes more important than the strategy when the strategy has failed and a new one is needed...
#10 Dec 11 2006 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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Pre-mades are the only sensible way to do bg's, otherwise you end up in a pug full of people who won't listen to anything else anyone else says and just run around midfield HK farming.
#11 Dec 13 2006 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
you missed my point and as said before i mean a premade is ok once in a while but its like i cant even get a freakin kill anymore and what makes me mad is that after the alliance win they go around gloating about it and thinking there better and have more skill then us with there tier 3 epiced out premades and thats not true. I was actually in AB were it was a premade and we had almost premade except i was there but anyway we killed you guys just cause you guys have better gear does not mean you have better skill then us. if it was horde VS alliance both naked only using spells we would win.
#12 Dec 13 2006 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Here's a simple solution... if you can't stand losing to a "Pre-made" make a better "Pre-made". If you can't afford a pre made at the time just try your best to take control of the battle.
#13 Dec 14 2006 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
HAHAHAHAHA Death to All horde !!!!!
#14 Dec 14 2006 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
And by the way i pwn horde and im in blue/t1 and in my server horde r all premade. in my opinion just get some freind and pwn.I have fun fighting premade even the t6523 ones with my friends cause we know how to fight and it feels good to know we put up a good fight against t3 horde.

I cant wait till i get my t2
#15 Dec 14 2006 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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having a group of friends that likes to regularly play "together" should not be allowed? Wow...

If I never got to play online with the people I know who play the game then I might not have as big a desire to play as often as I do. It's fun to get your friends together all in one instance or battleground, or even just for general questing. If your friends live several states away due to job offers and school and whatnot, then it's nice to get to still have a common interest and have fun even though it may be on the computer. Why would 10 people who know each other wanna come online and all jump into WSG in separate groups when the point was to come online and play together?

Honestly I can't believe this topic even started. To take away the ability of friends to actually play in the 'same game' would be completely dumb. A little time and effort and you could try to build your own BG Group. It isn't a process that happens instantly, but you can meet a lot of cool players on the way and learn a lot of new strategies. Or even give any friends who play a reason to log on more often to play.

if there is a good defense against my posted statements, I'd like to hear it. Maybe you just had bad luck in the queue getting set up against a pre-made group. PUG's can plan well too, someone just needs to take charge with a solid gameplan.

and insinuating that every horde player is automatically better than every alliance player is funny (as in your line where if both sides stripped their gear the Horde would win"). every 'good' gamer doesn't automatically chose Horde.

Edited, Dec 14th 2006 6:57pm by Zorza
#16 Dec 14 2006 at 4:16 PM Rating: Default
Get over losing BG, pre-mades are not unfair, they're organised, they're strong, they have teamwork. Fact is, you don't. Get over it. Alliance on my realm hardly ever win but you don't see me crying over something that happens all the time. Both factions do it so stfu.
#17 Dec 14 2006 at 7:20 PM Rating: Default
Jeez Horde shouldn't complain since you win 2/3 of the PuGs anywayz
#18 Dec 14 2006 at 11:58 PM Rating: Decent
And Horde Vs. Alliance straight up is quite fair, its a matter of teamwork, no one side has the advantage over the other, although WSG is slighty favored towards Shamans over Paladins.
#19 Dec 15 2006 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
rofl the op said that if both teams were to go completely no gear the horde would win.... just cause you are big and bulky doesnt mean you are better than us. If both teams went w/o gear then it would be a casters battle cause the melee wouldnt have weps to use their abilities on

anyways dude man learn to play cause i pvp alone or with a pvp group and when i pvp alone i normally see horde pugs all out t2/t3 and yet you come n complain that it seems TO BE US ONLY DOING IT! Op seriously stop complaining cause both sides do it. I hope your at least on a pvp server cause pve server hardly ever get pvp groups going and what are you...a blue / green warrior?

all n all lrn2get gear/skills before you flame the alliance forms blaming us for your suckage GG noob laters
#20 Dec 15 2006 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
rofl the op said that if both teams were to go completely no gear the horde would win.... just cause you are big and bulky doesnt mean you are better than us. If both teams went w/o gear then it would be a casters battle cause the melee wouldnt have weps to use their abilities on

anyways dude man learn to play cause i pvp alone or with a pvp group and when i pvp alone i normally see horde pugs all out t2/t3 and yet you come n complain that it seems TO BE US ONLY DOING IT! Op seriously stop complaining cause both sides do it. I hope your at least on a pvp server cause pve server hardly ever get pvp groups going and what are you...a blue / green warrior?

all n all lrn2get gear/skills before you flame the alliance forms blaming us for your suckage GG noob laters
#21 Dec 16 2006 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
All i have to say is whoever doesn't like winning BG's is a noob...Why wouldn't you "pre-make" a group if it betters your chance of victory? If you don't like losing you can play Hello-kitty's island adventure. Good day sir!
#22 Dec 16 2006 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
The majority of Alliance premades I've been up against have been extremely close. There has been the occasional AB 5 cap, but most of the time the heroism/retardness overweighs the t2 gear.
#23 Dec 16 2006 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
All I got to say is,Horde & Alliance QUIT WHINING. Both factions do it, none is worse then the other. Give it a rest.
#24 Dec 17 2006 at 2:00 AM Rating: Decent
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ghostpudding wrote:
Hi, I play the horde and ya know what im sick of everytime i go into AB i walk in and boom were fighting a premade ive done like 12 ABs today and only 1 of them was not a premade. i thnk you guys should stop being sissys and fight us fairly. not like cheap little chickens.


Look, I'm horde too, but you're just being stupid. I've faced premades before, but I don't complain. You know why? Cuz, the horde goes in thinking to kill all and make a plan there. Alliance do premade and have a plan before even doing the BG. So, really, who's fault is it? The side who uses their options, or the side who doesn't utilize their options?





(PS):
If you want to win, make your own premade.

#25 Dec 19 2006 at 6:18 AM Rating: Decent
i still find this funney >_< lol ohh well i hope the op gets the picture we dont care cause both side do it and premades = more honer= faster access to rank 14 gear.

Also i think you missed it when a HORDE GUILD finished naxx before the alliance. Meaning the horde had acess to t3/naxx gear before trhe alliance. Meaning horde gear>alliance gear. Meaning dont bring up that we are in t3 while your in bluse like my warrior. Quit QQ'ing and get bettr gear and learn to get a pvp guild that raids as well
#26 Dec 19 2006 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok no one has said it that I can detect. So here goes.

To the OP......


QQ more.

And I don't think anyone dies as much as I do on my lvl 60 Ally warrior. And yes I get frustrated and angry. But I keep plugging away at it and trying to improve my performance. And you know what? It's working. I'm dieing less this week than I did last week. And I'll die less next week than I am this week. And someday I will be able to keep up with the best.

So stop bellyaching and L2P.
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