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Botters don't deserve warnings, 0 tolerance is the only way to deal with them.
He was able to do three things with one button press, right?
Since you can't put pauses in a macro, his keyboard would have to be pausing, right?
So, his keyboard is set to run 3 different spells everytime he presses 1 button.
In THEORY his keyboard should be able to do a TargetNearest or something, right?
So now his keyboard is able to target nearest, attack and cast spells with one keypress.
Just tell me what prohibits the user from making it loop?
That's not far from botting if you ask me.
Since you can't put pauses in a macro, his keyboard would have to be pausing, right?
So, his keyboard is set to run 3 different spells everytime he presses 1 button.
In THEORY his keyboard should be able to do a TargetNearest or something, right?
So now his keyboard is able to target nearest, attack and cast spells with one keypress.
Just tell me what prohibits the user from making it loop?
That's not far from botting if you ask me.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
His Excellency Molarean wrote:
Botters don't deserve warnings, 0 tolerance is the only way to deal with them.
Agree 100%. Advancing your toon while unattended = teh lose....
Blizz does like this keyboard, for the same reasons I like it, 18 buttons on the left, perfect for adding a multitude of spells, abilities and such to the standard layout.
But that doesn't mean you should bot with it. It's not the keyboard's fault, lol. Keyboards don't bot, people do...
Blizzard has OK'd the keyboard, the man pointed that out. Blizzard knows the Logtech software's there, and (Hopefully) know what it's name is in the process tree when their warden reads it (Though with the inteligence of the Blizzard staff I've dealth with, it's doubtful).
So, either he was using WoWGlider or one of the other bots, or he was using his G15 and button mashing. It's impossible to know, but his story didn't have any breaking points in it, so I'd believe the guy in this case.
Remember the handicapped girl who got banned for using Dragonspeak? Yeah...
So, either he was using WoWGlider or one of the other bots, or he was using his G15 and button mashing. It's impossible to know, but his story didn't have any breaking points in it, so I'd believe the guy in this case.
Remember the handicapped girl who got banned for using Dragonspeak? Yeah...
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How odd that the Blizzard rep misspelled "botting".
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
no warning huh.....how comforting....
Hmm... interesting stuff.
1 keystroke/click doing more than 1 spell is considered botting.
They should have made that part clear in their ToS. And they should ALWAYS do a first warning thing, because there really are very few people that will actually read trough the whole thing, it's inmense, people are lazy. They should always have a "lesser punishment" for each time it's the first time you do a certain offense.
Also, his explanation, while it seems realistic, could be masking something else. If you're on linux you can make bots very easily, all it takes is a simple console script, and you can make the console script input actual keystrokes into a program. It's hard for me to believe that someone with his kind of knowledge does not know this or doesn't know how to do this.
Going AFK and letting an aggressive pet do the leveling for you is a bannable offense too? Or is it creative use of game features? How about macros that will do entire combos by clicking the same button over and over? Is decursive finally considered an offense or not?
Edited, Wed Mar 15 19:46:41 2006 by xorq
1 keystroke/click doing more than 1 spell is considered botting.
They should have made that part clear in their ToS. And they should ALWAYS do a first warning thing, because there really are very few people that will actually read trough the whole thing, it's inmense, people are lazy. They should always have a "lesser punishment" for each time it's the first time you do a certain offense.
Also, his explanation, while it seems realistic, could be masking something else. If you're on linux you can make bots very easily, all it takes is a simple console script, and you can make the console script input actual keystrokes into a program. It's hard for me to believe that someone with his kind of knowledge does not know this or doesn't know how to do this.
Going AFK and letting an aggressive pet do the leveling for you is a bannable offense too? Or is it creative use of game features? How about macros that will do entire combos by clicking the same button over and over? Is decursive finally considered an offense or not?
Edited, Wed Mar 15 19:46:41 2006 by xorq
Sorry, but one random sight where some guy claims that he was banned is really reaching.
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Going AFK and letting an aggressive pet do the leveling for you is a bannable offense too?
Pets don't claim for you, you personally have to tag me mob.
That is seriously messed up.
I feel bad for that guy. He seems nice, and in the right. I have no idea what he is talking about Linuxes or whatever, but he sounds legit in that he was not cheating.
It makes me mad that Blizz can do this to someone. (tho I understand why they can).
I am like a dog with a bone. I, especialy when feel I am wronged, just keep fighting. Sometimes this has been my downfall. Yes, I am that guy when a skull level player attacks, I keep fighting anyways. LOL. The following line makes me furious...
Blizz:
Hmmmmm. I do not like that response. At all. I payed you to play for a year, and you give me that canned response?
If he was cheating, send him proof that he was. Does he not deserve to see the evidence? Why accept the conviction without a fair trilal? Other than, of course, against Blizz we have too.
It all goes back to- If you dont stand up for your neighbors, then who will stand with you when they knock on your door?
Good job Blizzard.
Even fine silver begins to tarnish I suppose...
I feel bad for that guy. He seems nice, and in the right. I have no idea what he is talking about Linuxes or whatever, but he sounds legit in that he was not cheating.
It makes me mad that Blizz can do this to someone. (tho I understand why they can).
I am like a dog with a bone. I, especialy when feel I am wronged, just keep fighting. Sometimes this has been my downfall. Yes, I am that guy when a skull level player attacks, I keep fighting anyways. LOL. The following line makes me furious...
Blizz:
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We would not look to enter into any further communications on this issue as the matter is now considered closed.
Hmmmmm. I do not like that response. At all. I payed you to play for a year, and you give me that canned response?
If he was cheating, send him proof that he was. Does he not deserve to see the evidence? Why accept the conviction without a fair trilal? Other than, of course, against Blizz we have too.
It all goes back to- If you dont stand up for your neighbors, then who will stand with you when they knock on your door?
Good job Blizzard.
Even fine silver begins to tarnish I suppose...
They didn't just ban him for no reason.. Nor did they ban him for using the keyboard to do stuff that usually needs several clicks.
Even if someone reported him then a GM would come to "investigate" the situation. Typically this is done by physical observance and by sending /whispers. The user was not available to reply, yet his character was doing stuff.
That is what is known as botting!
GM will never look at it any differently, They would never cancel someone's account only going off of some random report from a random person playing the game.
Simply put, the guy was wrong. He was "botting" and he got banned for it. Too bad, get another credit card and suck it up.
And next time don't watch movies whilst letting your keyboard play for you.
Even if someone reported him then a GM would come to "investigate" the situation. Typically this is done by physical observance and by sending /whispers. The user was not available to reply, yet his character was doing stuff.
That is what is known as botting!
GM will never look at it any differently, They would never cancel someone's account only going off of some random report from a random person playing the game.
Simply put, the guy was wrong. He was "botting" and he got banned for it. Too bad, get another credit card and suck it up.
And next time don't watch movies whilst letting your keyboard play for you.
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They didn't just ban him for no reason.. Nor did they ban him for using the keyboard to do stuff that usually needs several clicks.
Even if someone reported him then a GM would come to "investigate" the situation. Typically this is done by physical observance and by sending /whispers. The user was not available to reply, yet his character was doing stuff.
That is what is known as botting!
GM will never look at it any differently, They would never cancel someone's account only going off of some random report from a random person playing the game.
Simply put, the guy was wrong. He was "botting" and he got banned for it. Too bad, get another credit card and suck it up.
And next time don't watch movies whilst letting your keyboard play for you.
Even if someone reported him then a GM would come to "investigate" the situation. Typically this is done by physical observance and by sending /whispers. The user was not available to reply, yet his character was doing stuff.
That is what is known as botting!
GM will never look at it any differently, They would never cancel someone's account only going off of some random report from a random person playing the game.
Simply put, the guy was wrong. He was "botting" and he got banned for it. Too bad, get another credit card and suck it up.
And next time don't watch movies whilst letting your keyboard play for you.
Blizzard GMs and investigation, that's funny. It took them 24 days to "Investigate" the loss of my gear when my account was hacked and to reinstate it on my character, despite me being able to tell them the EXACT time frame (Which was 3 hours) of my account being hacked.
That =/= quality investigatory services.
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All i got to say to this is...More bandwith for me. =)
and my bunny
Edited, Wed Mar 15 22:09:20 2006 by WindiaRogue
and my bunny
Edited, Wed Mar 15 22:09:20 2006 by WindiaRogue
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Blizzard GMs and investigation, that's funny. It took them 24 days to "Investigate" the loss of my gear when my account was hacked and to reinstate it on my character, despite me being able to tell them the EXACT time frame (Which was 3 hours) of my account being hacked.
That =/= quality investigatory services.
That =/= quality investigatory services.
That is a completely different situation.
If somehow you could have logged in with another account at the time the person was hacking you. It might have been different.
The sloths pace at which GM's respond to issues is even more evidence against this guy. That means he was doing it longer than he may be eluding to.
If it takes 3 hours to respond to a low priority issue and then when they get there and see that he is still moving 3 hours later but not responding....
Well, that just doesn't look very good now does it?
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That is a completely different situation.
If somehow you could have logged in with another account at the time the person was hacking you. It might have been different.
The sloths pace at which GM's respond to issues is even more evidence against this guy. That means he was doing it longer than he may be eluding to.
If it takes 3 hours to respond to a low priority issue and then when they get there and see that he is still moving 3 hours later but not responding....
Well, that just doesn't look very good now does it?
If somehow you could have logged in with another account at the time the person was hacking you. It might have been different.
The sloths pace at which GM's respond to issues is even more evidence against this guy. That means he was doing it longer than he may be eluding to.
If it takes 3 hours to respond to a low priority issue and then when they get there and see that he is still moving 3 hours later but not responding....
Well, that just doesn't look very good now does it?
3 Hours for a GM response is extremely long, though. From any report I've made it's been a 60-90 minute response, and I could definately take mashing one of the macro buttons on my keyboard for 90 minutes leveling up weapon skills, because it truly is a pain in the ***. Doing so watching a movie on my second PC no less.
Edited, Wed Mar 15 22:24:27 2006 by GreatBadger
Point is he wasn't mashing or he would have responded.
That keyboard can be made to loop continuously through macros.
He was botting.
That keyboard can be made to loop continuously through macros.
He was botting.
I feel for the guy. Must have been pretty hard for him.
And, I kinda doubt that his intended action was actually something that can be called botting.
That being said,
I just can't see anyone working in the MMO gaming industry -- many of them spending numerous hours trying to find a way to rid their world of botters -- letting a player get away with this.
IMHO, he spelled out, in his own words, his ultimate doom.
And, I kinda doubt that his intended action was actually something that can be called botting.
That being said,
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I had put myself on /DND with the note that I was watching movies and was not paying much attention to the game, which i muted because of the movies I was watching. Now it is quite well possible that during that time people contacted me in-game without me replying.
I just can't see anyone working in the MMO gaming industry -- many of them spending numerous hours trying to find a way to rid their world of botters -- letting a player get away with this.
IMHO, he spelled out, in his own words, his ultimate doom.
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Point is he wasn't mashing or he would have responded.
That keyboard can be made to loop continuously through macros.
He was botting.
That keyboard can be made to loop continuously through macros.
He was botting.
But Blizz didn't prove this, nor did the guy admit (Directly, at least) to it. Instead of hitting <tab>, <hotkey for X attack>, etc., he had the G[#] buttons assigned to those hotkeys.
I've completely ignored, and did so accidently, a GM in a heated AB match, so if the guys was just moving his arm over to hit the macro keys and arrow/WASD keys to move, he would've (Just as I would have) missed the GM whispering him.
Shoot first, ask later is good when everything is extremely hectic, as it was at game launch, but grow up. This **** attitude Blizzard has towards everything is getting tiresome. "It's ours, do as we wish or pay". But hey, they claim to have 5 million subscribers, so treat a few hundred thousand like **** and no one will care, right?
...Right?...
He doesn't say which keyboard he actually has, only uses Logitech's as an example, but some mods for the G15 LED hook functions in WoW.exe, which is illegal and will trigger the hack protection stuff.
Edited, Wed Mar 15 23:00:24 2006 by tworow
Edited, Wed Mar 15 23:00:24 2006 by tworow
tworow the Malevolent wrote:
He doesn't say which keyboard he actually has, only uses Logitech's as an example, but some mods for the G15 LED hook functions in WoW.exe, which is illegal and will trigger the hack protection stuff.
Edited, Wed Mar 15 23:00:24 2006 by tworow
Edited, Wed Mar 15 23:00:24 2006 by tworow
I have been thinking of getting this keyboard. Is it legal or not?
Logon
Well, blizzard endorses it and then bans people for using it as intended, so I'd avoid.
LogonOne wrote:
tworow the Malevolent wrote:
He doesn't say which keyboard he actually has, only uses Logitech's as an example, but some mods for the G15 LED hook functions in WoW.exe, which is illegal and will trigger the hack protection stuff.
Edited, Wed Mar 15 23:00:24 2006 by tworow
Edited, Wed Mar 15 23:00:24 2006 by tworow
I have been thinking of getting this keyboard. Is it legal or not?
Logon
Sure it's legal, and it's super for WoW. Just don't make scripts and macros and /dnd to skill weapons unattended, like this goofball did.
i read the first couple posts so i don't know if this has been mentioned...
the macros the guy used were prolly not stored within the keyboard itself, but in a keyboard driver program that was running. the driver program would probably intercept the keystrokes, parse the macro, then send the indivual commands to wow...
so alot of his keystrokes would have been coming from an .exe, and more importantly,
every time he used one of the keystroke combos it would have happened with the exact same timing, within milliseconds....
hence he was botting.
the macros the guy used were prolly not stored within the keyboard itself, but in a keyboard driver program that was running. the driver program would probably intercept the keystrokes, parse the macro, then send the indivual commands to wow...
so alot of his keystrokes would have been coming from an .exe, and more importantly,
every time he used one of the keystroke combos it would have happened with the exact same timing, within milliseconds....
hence he was botting.
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