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Priest Nerf: Good read ->Follow

#1 Dec 22 2004 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok first I don't play a priest however I have read some of the recent posts made by the (few) priest that are around this is definately an issue.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-priest&t=18383&p=1&tmp=1#post18383

It did get blue text(dev attention) and I think something will be done if everyone /sign's it. Of course at the moment the login servers are down so you can't.

The thread has good suggestions on how to cope with powerleveling and such. Also it is a good chance to see how much Blizzard truly cares about its customers.

Anyways i'm not here to argue there is enough of that going on at the official Blizzard forums. Just if you don't pop in there this may be a useful thread to actually post on. I also think all jobs should read this because it will eventually affect us all.
#2 Dec 22 2004 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Blizz seems to only listen to their customers totally randomly. They kinda pick a topic and go eenie, meenie, miny,moo. I understand they *thought* they needed to do this. But quite honestly nerfing a class that hardly anyone plays. (This coming from a lvl 30 Priest) Is not the best way to get people to play a class. *sigh* Cheers to the future of the Priest.
#3 Dec 22 2004 at 7:54 PM Rating: Good
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Rule number 1 dont ever EVER go by what fanboi whackos post there. Posters on that site represent only a small presentage of the people who actually play the game. Most of the time they mask their disliking of somthing to make their prefered race/class better if not have a i win button on em.

I read the warrior forums yesterday night. people braggin on how nerfed wairrors are. However I found 1 thread which i posted of a person showing that wairrors are very effective and can dominate on pvp.

ill give you an example.
My lv 15 warrior has all green items on at that lv I use a 2h sword (undead warrior) and a 1h sword and shield. At this lv i have 2 stances. Battle and defensive, I cannot use all my abilities in one stance so i do change.
I made macros to swap stances and weps on the fly.

Before the servers went down i was doing a ratchet quest to kill some human scum. I found a rogue and another warrior doing the same quest. The warrior also had a 2h sword.

As we battled I quickly changed stances to taunt a mob off the rogue and shield bash a mob that was about to heal. then i quickly changed back to my battle stance to do major dmg. since i started tactical mastery i can someof my rage when i change.

The other wairror did jack squat. he just stood in battle stance and well even got pummeled in the hard times we had. He only played his warrior half way and could not keep agro off the rogue.

the rogue player even ask the other warror why didnt he change stances like i did. He just said defence stance sucks.

This is one of those people who will spend time on the wow forums crying when he gets is but serverd on a silver platter and handed to him.

Also some of the guild members in the Kharma trolls gave me good tips.

So far the hardest class for a good warrior to beat is the priest. a good warrior who understands all his stances can easly take down even a pally.

as for priest nerfed ask some of the Kharma trolls who have priest to tell you if they are nerfed.

Stop waisitng your time on the wow fourms. Most thats post there is pure garbage. Heck youll even get critizised for sayign blizzard did a good job on those forums. Not worth your time nor should you worry about em either.
#4 Dec 22 2004 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
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It's not about the whole class it's about PW:Shield not being used outside of party...

Sorry I didn't clarify the ability just I don't know that much about it besides the few priests I know in game are not happy about changes made to this one ability.

If anything gets done it will be through their forums and through e-mail directly to blizzard.

Edited, Wed Dec 22 20:02:38 2004 by Venis
#5 Dec 22 2004 at 8:07 PM Rating: Good
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I'm fairly upset i won't be able to shield the ancient of war in darnassus anymore.

That looked so cool.



I won't notice much else though.

Edited, Wed Dec 22 20:08:15 2004 by slgray
#6 Dec 22 2004 at 9:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Personally I think PW:S should be castable on people within 5 levels ether side of your level, failing to impliement this means in the long term(and I mean LONG term=)) that raids will need a priest per team in order to have the correct "cookie-cutter" raid.
Cookie-cutting a factor I always thought Blizzard was keen to get rid off.
Yes it wouldn't be essential, but nether was having a Cleric in a lot of EQ zones, didn't stop most people demanding it as the "norm" however

Majria
#7 Dec 22 2004 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
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That whole need a cleric thing was crap. I was more partial to Shammys anyway. Needless, no matter what youll have people who want a specific class in group at all times, its just normal for people to think you need a cookie-cutter group formation to be successful.
#8 Dec 22 2004 at 10:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't see evil priests running around PW:S'ing high level people in order to prevent them getting a higher level one from another priest. I rarely see priests, in fact.

IF that was a problem, then the solution is simple; allow a higher levelled PW:S to override a lower level one. Maybe someone could get shielded for longer that way, but so what?

In fact I don't like the level limits on healing and so on. If someone has a high level friend helping them kill wolves, thats cool. If they kill the wolves themselves, they killed them. They'll still only get maybe 200XP per kill and if the mob is too high for them then that will take a long time to get the (already capped) 200XP anyway. I don't see how it's different from a party looking after each other.

More in general I'm unsettled by how close this game comes sometimes to "babysitting" players, though I'm still mulling my thoughts on this one. I don't want it gaining gameplay elements like EQ2 with things limited to teams. If you can't help random players you meet, then make it a single player game. As it is, it's weighted so far towards having to kill mobs close to your level that they may as well have force fields keeping players in the zone they're 'supposed' to be in at that level. Because a few levels higher and all spells bounce, and I only do 1 point of damage, no matter how valiantly I fight.

Take Care,
Cherreia.
#9 Dec 22 2004 at 10:24 PM Rating: Decent
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oh, and as for the idea of only being able to cast shield on someone within 5 levels of you... that would be terrible. I don't want to be told I have to be lvl60 before I go on a raid, and if I go on one at lvl54 and do ok, then die because our priest says "sorry you were too low level for me to shield" then I'll be MOST unhappy. When everyone is lvl60, a lvl54 person going raiding will be a brave person. They don't need the game to decide they can't join in like anyone else.
#10 Dec 22 2004 at 10:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes it wouldn't be essential, but nether was having a Cleric in a lot of EQ zones, didn't stop most people demanding it as the "norm" however

Majria


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Darn your europe-hating ways blizzard. Why do we have to wait for this game!? And why can I not play with my friends from across the pond?


Ummm... in EQ end game areas, having a cleric there was essential for many encounters. Someone was always going to die and the xp loss added up. Also, Druids (suposedly second best healer in game) couldn't handle the load required by multi-mob encounters in end game situations well and they never got anything to compensate for aggro on healing vs clerics HoT's and the like -- I know, I played a high level druid and a high level enchanter (70th level) in EQ.

Resurect + the best heals in the game made them irreplaceable for most high end content and absolutely essential for many places. You could do groups with a druid and a paladin or even a shaman and a paladin often but not for many places and not for raids at all. At lower levels you didn't notice the difference that much between a cleric, druid or even a shaman but at higher levels... Clerics and warriors ruled EQ and nobody could do their jobs whatsoever.

I'll just have to wait and see what WoW is like when I hit 60th level -- 15 1/2 levels from now but I've a hunch it won't be like EQ end-game was.
#11 Dec 22 2004 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I certainly hope WoW turns out to be nothing like EQ, which was pretty much my entire point, Cookie-Cutter games are simply not fun.

And playing a druid until about 6 months ago, I know that clerics are essential in some zones, simply because they could res. This doesn't make a very good enjoyable game for many peeps playing a class other then Cleric, Enchanter, Warrior, Shaman and rogue


Majria
#12 Dec 23 2004 at 12:00 AM Rating: Decent
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failing to impliement this means in the long term(and I mean LONG term=)) that raids will need a priest per team in order to have the correct "cookie-cutter" raid.


Having never been on a raid, I can't speak with any authority, but it's my understanding that everyone in your Raid counts as being part of your group, thus they'll still be a valid target for spells like this.
#13 Dec 23 2004 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
Nice post Zanon. Well said.


Rate up brother man.


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#14 Dec 23 2004 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks info Nekojin, kinda makes sense now, only problem now then would be if you needed/wanted/had more then 40 peeps to raid with, still, if that is the case, then I don't see how these changes would really change much, other then restricting priests to one buff castable outside their group, kind of a shame as when I played a Druid in EQ, it was to help people out, same reason I'll choose a priest, though it would seem we're not allowed to be as generous=)

Majria
#15 Dec 23 2004 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
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More in general I'm unsettled by how close this game comes sometimes to "babysitting" players, though I'm still mulling my thoughts on this one. I don't want it gaining gameplay elements like EQ2 with things limited to teams. If you can't help random players you meet, then make it a single player game.

(-Cherreia)

Aggreed. Coming from a WHM, RDM background in FFXI, I enjoy throwing "Protect" and a cure on random people getting thier buts handed to them. I have never PL someone, but I do assist random people if they are loosing badly and I happen upon them. They bow, I salute, and get back on the road. If I see someone, I should be able to throw on my PW-shield (kinda like Protect) and PW- Fortitude... thats my thought.

I feel most of us play Priests because we are INTO helping others.....

If this is true, it will be the first thing so far that I am less than happy with....
#16 Dec 24 2004 at 9:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Having never been on a raid, I can't speak with any authority, but it's my understanding that everyone in your Raid counts as being part of your group, thus they'll still be a valid target for spells like this.



I heard as of now this is not the case. I haven't reached this level yet but from what I have heard for this ability even your raid party doesn't count. Just your immediate party.

Someone verify?
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