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#1 Dec 21 2004 at 10:05 AM Rating: Default
After hitting lvl75pld on ffxi, i decided to move on to WoW. Currently I am lvl20war tauren.

I have a few questions i was wondering.

1. Do they have xp parties like in ffxi? So far all i have done is solo or quest parties.

2. Since i got sick of tanking last game, i decided to go for a DD war, which are very great in ffxi. Is this a viable combo?

3. Is keeping a tradeskill very valuable, or will i be able to find better items than i can make?
#2 Dec 21 2004 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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1. Do they have xp parties like in ffxi? So far all i have done is solo or quest parties.


YOu can get in a party like that, if you find the right people... However most i've seen are for quests. I suppose if you got a friend you could do a duo party, but unlike in ffxi the exp is split evenly between members. So with 2 people you earn 1/2 exp, 3 would be 1/3, ect... At least thats how I understand it.

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2. Since i got sick of tanking last game, i decided to go for a DD war, which are very great in ffxi. Is this a viable combo?


Well WAR is about the only tank in this game, so I don't know... I think a DD WAR is possible, but you may have wanted to go for pally... Pally is more a support class then tank in this game from what i've seen.

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3. Is keeping a tradeskill very valuable, or will i be able to find better items than i can make?


Well, some of the best items you will find are from quests/instances... However crafted items are just as good and sometimes better. Also you can make some nice money from them, so yes I would keep one.
#3 Dec 21 2004 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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To answer number 3.

I would highly recommend a tradeskill simply because it adds another element of fun for the game.

You can eventually make some good stuff and if you go into Engineering you can make some really cool and unique stuff.

I know this is kinda basic but all you really need to know is tradeskills are a blast and are extremely easy to level in this game plus it can bring in a little income while you're at it.

Take Care.
#4 Dec 21 2004 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
Thx for all the feeback so far. Tomec i wouldve gone pally, but after 75 lvls in ffxi... i never wanna go pally again lol.
#5 Dec 21 2004 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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Lol I can understand that, I stayed away from priest... 65 levels of healing people, along with helping out on so many quests/missions for my LS, was enough for me. I am thinking about going for a shadow priest build though, but can't really decide atm. I've played pally a bit, and didn't really like the targeting system to heal people... This has kind of turned me off to any job that can cast spells on other people that aren't like aoe things. I'll probably try them out more later, but I really liked in ffxi how for healing you could make some easy macros to target and heal people...

Don't get me wrong, I love the mouse in the REST of the game, and this is about my only complaint about the UI.
#6 Dec 21 2004 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
Still pretty new to the game but I thought the spell targeting system is a lot like FFXI if you had <st> macros. Just cast your spell and hit the F1-F5 key for the correct target.
#7 Dec 21 2004 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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1. Do they have xp parties like in ffxi? So far all i have done is solo or quest parties.


You can make one and there is a small 'group xp' bonus, altho it's nothing as big as xp chain were.

You're better off duoing when you do that tho, as too many people do slow the xp down.

However, many quests are all but impossible to do alone, so grouping still has it's place.

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2. Since i got sick of tanking last game, i decided to go for a DD war, which are very great in ffxi. Is this a viable combo?


DD War is doable, but WAR was obviously designed to tank, not to do DD. So yeah... you've got a huge hurdle in your path and you'll never be as efficient at DD as Rogue is.


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3. Is keeping a tradeskill very valuable, or will i be able to find better items than i can make?


Extremely so, I keep making deal with my guildmates to make stuff for me - while my greatest piece of gear come from Instance, Crafting fills up the rest of my equipment really.

If you're worried about how all the best gear are instance and you're afraid your crafting will go to waste, you can always pick one of the following 3:

Alchemy: Useful from the get go, ability to make 'buff' potion or healing potion will ALWAYS be useful. Heck, I still use one of the starting potion (Elixir of Lion Strenght, +4STR) with my Alchemisty (alchemy level 185).

Enchanting: Since you'll be enchanting items, they'll always be need for you as even the best instance drops can STILL be enchanted to become even more powerful.

Engineering: You can get better guns in instance then an Engineer can make, however all the cool toys (bomb, pets, net guns, etc) are unique to the engineer profession.

Edited, Tue Dec 21 10:51:43 2004 by Tyrandor
#8 Dec 21 2004 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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I never really used the keyboard in FFXI except to type my macros... Yes I used st macros, but I used a gamepad on the PC for movement and targeting and things.
#9 Dec 21 2004 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
Great Feeback guys. I'll probably give rogue a shot. It's kind of a shame that xp parties aren't that efficient, those were fun. Also, is there macros i can make in this game like i did in ffxi?
#10 Dec 21 2004 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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THere are macros... but don't expect them to be like FFXI's. They use script commands... ><

I will admit in FFXI a good exp party was really fun, you could work together like clockwork and get great exp. Alliances for some of the HNMs and things were also fun, and sometimes yeilded some minor exp.
#11 Dec 21 2004 at 11:04 AM Rating: Default
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Why is this forum spammed with FFXI posts and references? Before reading this forum I didn't even realize that was a game. I guess I was just that locked into EverQuest.
#12 Dec 21 2004 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
Well, the majority of players that quit ffxi moved on to WoW, and I'm gonna say that at least 10% of the current WoW population came from ffxi. I'm not positive though, just speculation.
#13 Dec 21 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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I would have to guess more... I know of a couple LS i've been in and keep in touch with some people in it, that are pretty much falling apart and they also said people are leaving FFXI in droves. FFXI not doing anything about the gil sellers till they started loosing people, and blizz doing something in about what? 2 weeks? Really helped a lot of people decide I bet.
#14 Dec 21 2004 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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When I left FFXI, I had a lot of reasons. I have a post around here stating a few.

The one that was "the cherry on top of the whipped cream swirl" was that I was in a static party and we had to xp almost every day. I got so burnt with all of what I had to do that I just had to quit. (For those of you who have played RDM you know what I mean.)

What little enjoyment I had left on the game was sucked out of me by the constant partying. Hence, why I called it my second job.

Edited, Tue Dec 21 13:57:25 2004 by Abidos
#15 Dec 21 2004 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Why is this forum spammed with FFXI posts and references?


ffxi.allakhazam.com is the biggest North American FFXI website.

If you don't recognise the url...

So yeah, many of us are directly from the FFXI board of allakhazam.
#16 Dec 21 2004 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I know King Jord is, I am, anyone with a FFXI char in their sig probably is...

I also agree about how much you have to grind to get levels.... The biggest problem is that the exp NEVER changes. You get the same amount in dunes as in ru'ann...
#17 Dec 21 2004 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Paladin in WoW seems to be more like a Redmage was in FFXI more than an actual FF PLD.

However, I would disagree that paladin is a better support role than tank. I often take the lead tanking position in parties. I also frequently take the lead healing position since that's how I geared all of my Talent Points.

I have actually setup exp parties like ones in FF. But they are more simplified versions. Usually a ranged puller (mage or hunter), Tank (paladin or war), healer (priest or paladin), and any DD's you can find. Any number of jobs can fit any number of positions here.

We clear through instances and get great exp quickly this way. I have yet to be in a traditional Camp and Pull type FF exp grind party. Which is a plus for me since that was sometimes such a chore. But the EXP PT is not too uncommon.
#18 Dec 21 2004 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah, xp pt exist, but as I mentionned, they usually focus on their strenght - Quests.

A party of character will totally decimate a zone of it's mobs and chances are you'll end up with nothing to kill real quick - you'll kill faster then the zone can throw mobs at you.

However, a pt of 5 can easily finish 10 quest in 2 hours (or heck, less then 2 hours) thus raking the xp that way and getting good loot and items out of it.

Instance are also good xp if you do them at their appropriate level - altho they'll be hard.
#19 Dec 21 2004 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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1. Do they have xp parties like in ffxi? So far all i have done is solo or quest parties.

Well solo xping is still the best experience. But instance experience is just as good and requires a full group.

2. Since i got sick of tanking last game, i decided to go for a DD war, which are very great in ffxi. Is this a viable combo?

Yes - Because Warriors have problems keeping hate sometimes against a mage or a rogue, having DD will help with that. Yeah you will be taking more damage than the other warrior who's doing defensive talnets, but you'll be the one that keeps the mob on you longer.

3. Is keeping a tradeskill very valuable, or will i be able to find better items than i can make?

Tradeskilling is the way to go. you will help your self, your guild, and other people and make money while your doing it.
#20 Dec 21 2004 at 9:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I am new to wow, but I read the forums alot while at work (like 2-3 hours per shift, 2-10pm sucks, LOL)

My wife was a PLD in FFXI, so I know of the fun, and the complaints, LOL. Anyways, from what I have read on here, the main tank in WOW is the warrior.

Mabey start a second char for fun, but this time go rouge or hunter? Main thing is, from what I have read, PLD's in FFXI are in no real way like PLD's are in WOW. (but then, most things are not like they were there.)

Good luck!
#21 Dec 22 2004 at 1:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I am not going to reply in full since this must be the 1132433254 thread like this started today. But.....

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2. Since i got sick of tanking last game, i decided to go for a DD war, which are very great in ffxi. Is this a viable combo?



All the way to 75 and you speak of DD war.... all I have to say to this is, can I have some of what you're smokin? Warrior, damage dealer, FFXI, all together? You sir are truly mad.
What damage? The DD in FFXI are called Blackmages and Rangers.


And Tomec, you are a great man for putting up with this and playing nice.
#22 Dec 22 2004 at 2:12 AM Rating: Decent
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The DD in FFXI are called Blackmages and Rangers.


This is one of many things that is wrong with FFXI (balancing), which SE refuses to acknowledge.
#23 Dec 22 2004 at 2:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh I agree with you there, there is alot of imbalance in FFXI. Dragoons for instance, I had more friends quit dragoon because they had such a hard time finding a party. You should'nt have to quit something after 50 levels because of a crap balancing job on the Dev's part.

That's a subject for another place though. All I am saying is he is nuts if he thinks that warriors were even close to being DD in FFXI.

>>partyleader- What else you guys want?
<<partymember- Get another DD if you can
>>partyleader- 56 BLM okay?
<<partymember- yeah BLM rock
>>partyleader- nm he got invite :(
>>partyleader- What about a WAR?
<<partymember- ....uhhh we said DD dude, need RNG or BLM, or DRK if you can't get anything else.
>>partyleader- k lemme look
>>partyleader- got a 57 RNG
<<partymember- woot
<<partymember- nice
<<partymember- yay

Theres a reason myself along with the rest of the FFXI community saw this conversation a million times. Warriors were not ever even close to being DD's. Didn't even make good tanks unless they had a thief with them after level 30. Due to inablity to hold hate.

OK my rant is over, just saying this viewpoint from the OP makes me question the validity of his "lvl75pld" statement.


Last by not least as stated before, go read some other posts before starting a new one Goaty. There are a ton of them on this site alone
#24 Dec 22 2004 at 2:51 AM Rating: Good
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1.) Not really, although when a friend of mine was trying it out we duoed and it was fun. I do notice as you go up levels you sometimes send more time in parties when doing a bunch of quests. It is fun to put a party together to do like 2-3 quests instead of just 1.

2.) Viable combo, probably. However they are right in the fact the main focus of a warrior is to tank, but hey Blizzard has said they want to be allowing warriors to play how they want while tanking. So tank and be the best DD you can be, especially since you aren't bound by some lame skill cap on weapons.

3.) Sometimes yes you can find better items, but not always for every slot. You also sometimes end up being able to make better items before you find another piece to replace it. The other great thing is with some you can improve your equipment with your profession.

On a side note: I loved parties in FFXI as well, but that grind was horrible bad. For me battles in the long run lost their fun factor and became like the classic saying "Same **** Different Day". I watch several friends of mine who still play sometimes, they are in the 55-67+ range. To me after watching their fights I see that it becomes even more of the same hum drum, without ANY change. The worst part is in FFXI if you tried to mix stuff up and try something new, you usually ended up getting people killed.
#25 Dec 22 2004 at 6:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Baron von filterspawn wrote:
I am not going to reply in full since this must be the 1132433254 thread like this started today. But.....

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2. Since i got sick of tanking last game, i decided to go for a DD war, which are very great in ffxi. Is this a viable combo?



All the way to 75 and you speak of DD war.... all I have to say to this is, can I have some of what you're smokin? Warrior, damage dealer, FFXI, all together? You sir are truly mad.
What damage? The DD in FFXI are called Blackmages and Rangers.


And Tomec, you are a great man for putting up with this and playing nice.



Well sometimes its hard/lazy for people to look for posts. I don't think forum search is enabled atm on these boards, but keep in mind you have to be a premuim member to search.

Anyways, as for DD WAR... That was about all they were good for from like 20-74, and then past that only with nin sub, and THEN before the utsu nerf.

I had a PLD, WAR, THF, DRG, RDM, WHM (me) party once with my static and a friend of one who played the WAR. Even w/o the AF body (this was around level 61) the WAR was giving the PLD a run for his money even with getting sa/ta'd at the start. In fact after awhile we counted on that for our SC where the THF would DE onto the PLD. Probably a good 1/2 the mob's health from SC alone... WAR was using axes, forget if it was 2x 1-handed or a GAxe.

Oh and if your avatar is of you, just wanted to thank you for what your doing... And anyone else in the armed services. Stay safe and merry x-mas.
#26 Dec 22 2004 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent
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The worst part is in FFXI if you tried to mix stuff up and try something new, you usually ended up getting people killed.


Haha so true :D
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