I'M A LEVEL 19 HUTNER, ABOUT TO GET DUAL WIELD.
I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW THE DAMAGE WORKS?
IN EQ, YOUR MAIN HAND DETERMINED YOUR WEAPON SPEED, REGARDLESS OF THE SPEED OF YOUR OFF-HAND WEAPON... THAT WAS JUST FOR EXTRA DAMAGE.
SO HOW DOES DUAL WIELD DAMAGE WORK IN WOW?
(SORRY FOR CAPS, I'M AT WORK)
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Main hand damage is the same. Off-hand damage is cut in half.
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(SORRY FOR CAPS, I'M AT WORK)
Heh.. I have to ask.. what does work have to do with caps? :> Or is it that you're just irate, since you're at work, that you feel the need to scream?
There is also an increased miss ratio when you dual wield. I think it's like +24%.
I use a CAD software at work. So I usually keep the keyboard CAPS LOCK on, it's just easier.
Although work sometimes does make me want to SCREAM!!!!!
You miss more, and do half damage w/ off-hand??
Is there an ADVANTAGE to dual wield????
Although work sometimes does make me want to SCREAM!!!!!
You miss more, and do half damage w/ off-hand??
Is there an ADVANTAGE to dual wield????
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You miss more, and do half damage w/ off-hand??
Is there an ADVANTAGE to dual wield????
Is there an ADVANTAGE to dual wield????
Okay, say you have a 12 DPS in your main hand and a 10 DPS in your off hand. So your DPS potential is (12 + 10) - 5 = 17.
There's an additional 1 out of 4 chance to miss, based on what Korup said.
If you use only the 12 DPS weapon, 12 * 4 is 48. If you're using both, 17 * 3 is 51. So you end up with slightly more damage per combat round.
I just think it looks cool.
theRealWiseman wrote:
I use a CAD software at work. So I usually keep the keyboard CAPS LOCK on, it's just easier.
Although work sometimes does make me want to SCREAM!!!!!
Although work sometimes does make me want to SCREAM!!!!!
I use CAD too and have that same problem sometimes. I'm pretty good at hitting caps lock now though.
The advantage to dual weild is a good one. Added damage, and added stats.
By being able to equip 2 weapons, you can increase your stat bonus.
Take a look at Omusa's profile in my signature. I wouldn't be able to weild that 2nd axe that helps my stats if I didn't have dual weild.
edit: everyone always talks damage with dual wield, no one ever mentions the added stat bonuses available.
Edited, Mon Dec 20 11:17:34 2004 by SeomanP
The extra 3 melee damage doesnt matter THAT much to me, specially since I am a hunter... comapred to Omusa's point of extra stats. Good call.
Where did u get that profile? does it change every time u change items?
Where did u get that profile? does it change every time u change items?
Well I didn't click the profile, but i'm going to guess its from running the WoW reader. You have to set your login info in it for you to get a profile though.
You have to use WoW Reader.
Download WoW Reader, play WoW, run Reader after you log out. Then come here and click on "your characters".
You have to run WoW REader for it to update.
Download WoW Reader, play WoW, run Reader after you log out. Then come here and click on "your characters".
You have to run WoW REader for it to update.
Do I need a premium membership?
Having to type my login info into it... sounds fishy... is it legit?
Having to type my login info into it... sounds fishy... is it legit?
Well myself as a hunter I used dual wield saw all the missing and decided to do polearm. Good damage with that weapon but then these drops came in for swords and daggers. And the stats were pretty darn good. So now I dual wield for the extra stats. And yeah there's some missing but I'm noticing I still do good damage so by the time the mob comes to me nice and softened from my arrows and pet I just need a few swings to finish it. But for me at least the best part of dual wielding is the stat boosts.
No you don't need a premium membership... And your worried about it being legit when you download it right from this site?
Unless Bliz has endorsed it and officially declared to the public that it is safe and private, how can it be safe? This world is saturated with hackers.
The big advantage to dual wielding is to have two weapons with great stats...why have one +6 agility 1h sword/dagger/axe when you can have two? Although it may not be as effective in h2h combat (sometimes it is though...) you will gain bigger returns from the extra stats.
An extra +6 agility would be a nice chunk of damage toward both your gun/bow/xbow AND your h2h damage.
An extra +6 agility would be a nice chunk of damage toward both your gun/bow/xbow AND your h2h damage.
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CollectorX wrote:
Okay, say you have a 12 DPS in your main hand and a 10 DPS in your off hand. So your DPS potential is (12 + 10) - 5 = 17.
There's an additional 1 out of 4 chance to miss, based on what Korup said.
If you use only the 12 DPS weapon, 12 * 4 is 48. If you're using both, 17 * 3 is 51. So you end up with slightly more damage per combat round.
There's an additional 1 out of 4 chance to miss, based on what Korup said.
If you use only the 12 DPS weapon, 12 * 4 is 48. If you're using both, 17 * 3 is 51. So you end up with slightly more damage per combat round.
Is that additional 24% chance to miss on both weapons or just the off-hand weapon? If it's only for the off-hand you would get this (12 * 4) + (5 * 3) = 63 which is an additional 15 for every 4 swings. Still not great but much better than 3 extra damage which is pretty much irrelevent. I'm quite a bit better dual wielding so I'm pretty sure its the latter rather than former.
Also remember that DPS of the weapon doesn't take into consideration all that goes with it like your strength and dexterity and anything else that goes into it. Take a look at your power indicator on a weapon to see true DPS. Even if your second hand weapon is only around 38% (1/2 of 75%) of what that value says, I'd still say that's significant.
I fail to see the reasoning behind dual wielding for stats, 2handed weapons have a better stat bonus. At lvl 25 you can find a 2h weapon with +8 to 2 stats on it, while most one handers are +3 to 2 stats, sometimes +4/+3 at best.
This is of assuming we're talking about uncommons. But it doesnt matter cause a rare 2hander will still have better stats then 2 rare 1handers in most cases.
The biggest argument I guess is its probably easier to find 1handers with agility than 2handers (since 2handers tend to have str/stam)
And 2handers are just better for hunters if you get thrown into melee. mongoose bite and your other melee weapon abilities give an extra attack, so a extra attack with a big 2h weapon is just alot more damage output than with a 1hander.
Edited, Mon Dec 20 11:59:01 2004 by Sethar
This is of assuming we're talking about uncommons. But it doesnt matter cause a rare 2hander will still have better stats then 2 rare 1handers in most cases.
The biggest argument I guess is its probably easier to find 1handers with agility than 2handers (since 2handers tend to have str/stam)
And 2handers are just better for hunters if you get thrown into melee. mongoose bite and your other melee weapon abilities give an extra attack, so a extra attack with a big 2h weapon is just alot more damage output than with a 1hander.
Edited, Mon Dec 20 11:59:01 2004 by Sethar
When speaking in terms of 1 handers vs. 2 handers and PVP combat, the other day when this sissy little gnomie beat me in a duel because he got the last hit off before I did (it was so close, the match came down to the last hit, LITERALLY). If I had had a faster 1 hander on, rather than my much slower 2 hander, I might have won.
So swinging speed helps alot too, especially against casters.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS THIS:
If your main weapon is 2.30 speed, and your off-hander is 3.00, do you swing each weapon individually according to each weapon's speed? Or do you swing both at a speed of 2.30?
So swinging speed helps alot too, especially against casters.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS THIS:
If your main weapon is 2.30 speed, and your off-hander is 3.00, do you swing each weapon individually according to each weapon's speed? Or do you swing both at a speed of 2.30?
Sethar wrote:
And 2handers are just better for hunters if you get thrown into melee. mongoose bite and your other melee weapon abilities give an extra attack, so a extra attack with a big 2h weapon is just alot more damage output than with a 1hander.
I know alot of Hunters that went 2 handed and have since switched to dual weilding 1 handed weapons.
I prefer dual weilding 2 1 handed axes. I swing fast and hit hard.
All in all, the best route to take is to train in it all. You don't know what type of equipment you will be picking up down the road, so why not prepare for it? (at least thats my view on it)
Right now I dabble a little in dual wielding, but for general use I'm a 2h weapon Dwarf. Currently I have a 21.3dps 1h axe with +5STA and a Cruel Barb 15.5dps (with that charming red glow) in my off-hand. Even with the the best stat axe or sword I can find for my off-hand, I can't beat the +11AGI I get from my Headhunter Spear, nor will I be able to beat the +11AGI/STR on the 2h axe I've been keeping my eye on. Dual wielding looks neat, but in all practical applications I seem to fare much better with the gear that I have (and soon will have). Naturally my dps would be slightly higher (technically) with dual wield, but I can't seem to see much difference looking at my DPS meter.
Also, carrying around a 2h Axe, a polearm and two 1h weapons is begining to be tiring...especially when trying to keep them all as close to cap as I can; it's pretty tough when your INT's as poor as a Dwarf Hunter. =)
Also, carrying around a 2h Axe, a polearm and two 1h weapons is begining to be tiring...especially when trying to keep them all as close to cap as I can; it's pretty tough when your INT's as poor as a Dwarf Hunter. =)
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theRealWiseman wrote:
Unless Bliz has endorsed it and officially declared to the public that it is safe and private, how can it be safe? This world is saturated with hackers.
First thing I think your misleading into, you DONT put in your WoW account and password, you put in your ALLAKAZAMS user name and password.
Certain information about the game is stored on YOUR had drive. WoW Reader is a program that can asertain what eqiupment your character is wearing by the files on YOUR computer, WoW Reader does NOT read any direct information from WoW.
All you do with WoW reader is send information about what your characer is wearing / lvl / etc etc to Allakazams and the site then formats it into a profile you can link and show to others.
There is no breaking of the EULA , no fear of hackers, or any reason not to use it unless you dont want others to see your gear :P
Reast easy.
Hope this helps.
Yeah ... Allakhazam has a very good reputation. You really don't have anything to worry about - just make sure you download the WoWReader client right from this site.
And no - it's not against the EULA. You're safe.
Also, if i remember correctly (too lazy to run wowreader) but wowreader is only ran AFTER you logout, it crashes or something if you try to run it while ingame.
I like dual weild with my rogue, its much more useful when you are using skills.
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IN EQ, YOUR MAIN HAND DETERMINED YOUR WEAPON SPEED, REGARDLESS OF THE SPEED OF YOUR OFF-HAND WEAPON... THAT WAS JUST FOR EXTRA DAMAGE.
No, it didnt. In EQ the hands were completely independant, as they are in WoW. Unfortunately, you dont understand EQ's dual wield system, otherwise it would have been trivial to explain WoW's dual wield system in comparison. Luckily, other people have covered it.
The other point to consider about the advantage of dual wield is spell interruption. A dual wielder will make a spell take a VERY long time to cast :).
Just try it out, anyway. One of the best things about WoW is that the skill only costs money to train. It doesnt take a skill-slot you might need for something else. Train dual wield, give it a shot, if you hate it remove your second weapon. You lose a few silver, no big deal.
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