How 'bad' is PvP? + a few questions.Follow

I'll be getting the game tomorrow or monday (Hurry up, UPS!) and I've been wanting to ask some questions about PvP vs PvE, as I'm still trying to decided which is right for me.

When I play MMORPGs, my favourite part, the part that makes it worthwhile, is exploring. Exploring, and human relations. Nothing gets me more then simply wandering over a landscape, killing mobs, finding 'hot spots', and just generally seeing the sights. Call me crazy, that's just what I enjoy.

Now something else I have enjoyed in other games is the inclusing of a PvP wartype system. I love the feeling of being part of a large, rushing mass attacking a single point. It's just so Exciting!

Now I know they have large scale battles and such in PvE, but from what I've experienced in other games, when the PvP is limited or consent only, it doesn't happen often or with heart.

So from this, it would appear PvP is the best for me. Except, for the corpse-camping I've been hearing about.

Ganking doesn't bother me. Infact, it makes exploring more interesting in games. Adds a 'survival' element of sorts, beyond the mobs. What I don't think is cool, is when someone will try and disrupt your gameplay by doing a jerkwad thing like camping your corpse (And don't give me that BS about 'impeding the enemy's progress, they would impede more people if they went on killing as many as possible instead of waiting at one and wasting precious time).

So what I basically want to have opinions about, is HOW bad exactly is Corpse Camping? How often does it happen to you, how long does it last, how easy is it to avoid, etcetcetc?

Also, I wanted an opinion on server size. I like having people around, it makes the game fun. What I don't like, is when the game is so crowded people are fighting for mobs, cluttering areas, etc etc. So really, how 'high' is the high server population? Would medium be better, or are there not enough people there?

One more question, what class is the best for getting around without being detected by enemies and/or escaping encounters?

Thanks for taking the time to read :)
Any and all opinions are welcome.

Little disclaimer before I start posting, i'm on a RP aka PvE server.




Personally over the last 3days, i've been in 2 major PvP battles. 3days ago some Alliance members camped in a tower in a horde town. Even though it was only 3high levels it was still fun and we chased them outa our land.

2days ago, I was in another. This time it was a HUGE raid attacking another place, some people from the previsous night's scrimish came also. When I say HUGE I mean like probably 30people each side. We repelled them in about 3 attacks then they finally ran.




Well being as i'm not on a PvP server, although there are a lot of ___ is under attack to get people flagged and people wanting some PvP, I can't really offer the best opinion on this. I've only been corpse camped once though, most people are good not to do it from about the 20 or so times i've died in PvP and had to raise. Part of that may be because of the RP thing... Which also probably helps the constant attacks on both sides. Anyways one of the easiest way to aviod is to raise at the graveyard. Easy, although it puts you outa the action really for up to 10min. Another way is if your on a PvE or RP server to just wait for your flag to go down. This requires 5min (I think) of Non PvP fighting to do.




It really depends on where the people are. In the first few days everyone was in about the same areas making it hard to find mobs and all. Now people have spread out, so it really varries by where you go. Sometimes i'll be the only person in an area and sometimes I can't even find the mobs I need to fight for the quest/leather.




Well for getting around w/o having a big chance of being detected you want Rogue or Hunter past 30 (I think). However the hunter route will only work on other hunters. The Rogue gets the "Stealth" ability starting at level 4 (again I think) but at first it lowers your movement speed by 50%.

As for the escaping, its a little harder to say. Probably any class with a speed boosting ability.

Hunter gets one, but if your damaged you go into a dazed mode and get movement reduced to 50%. Druid gets one also, but at 30. Shaman (Horde only) gets a transform spell at 20 that gives them a speed boost and also makes them a little harder to see. Rogue has a ability called sprint that raises the speed the most (50%, the others are 40% and hunter's are max of 35% with talent points) but only lasts 15seconds or so.


Personally I would try out a RP server if your also into RP'ing a little. People on mine seem to like to attack places since the two factions are at war to some people. Also because its a PvE rule set (with some modding for RP) you can choose when to flag making exploring a little easier. ALso you could just run around with a perma flag by typing /pvp every 5min >.>

I play on a PvE server and I like the way the aggression system works. Here are scenarios.

- I get the call for a raid. My guild meets somewhere and we pick an alliance town. We head over and slaughter a few guards and as many NPC's as we can. Then we head out of town. Alliance weenies show up and we attack again. Rinse and repeat. The death penalty isn't harsh so I can have fun doing this until one side is beaten too bad and they retreat off the field. Loads of fun had.

- I'm questing solo when I come across an alliance weenie soloing. If he's my level or within one or two levels (either way) I'll run up and challenge him to a duel. Odd thing here, most of the time I have to right click them to let them know I want to fight to the death. If they run I keep my eyes open for the next 5 minutes. They could ambush me afterall! If they accept the challenge right there and then the fight is on!

Once I was actually able to challenge an equal level paladin to a duel. I won too! He didn't die, he just bowed before me (as is proper when any alliance member sees me) and we went on our seperate ways. It was a great fight too but that's another story.

- I haven't been in a small group vs. small group skirmish but hope to someday, I think it will be a blast.



Edited, Sat Dec 18 04:10:43 2004 by Endureth

PvP in this game is a very harsh mistress. Some times, you will run across some friendly players of the other faction, and the emoting will begin. Other times, you will be fighting something, and get ganked, which isnt too bad in a highly populated area. However, there is a fairly steady supply of players who grief lowbies and ride all over the place just to shank people. We've had raids on 2-3 horde towns and endless fighting in BB where people are ripping people 20 or so levels lower than them a new one. CC occurs fairly often, and it can be a real nuisance if you dont have a way to escape quickly. If you aren't hardcore about it, or if you have a short fuse, I advise going to a PvE server or a RP server because it completely changes the way you play the game. There are also no current rewards for pkilling or enemy npc killing and there will probably never be a penalty for pkilling people who are grey to you. If either of those bother you, you should give serious thought to a different server style. Classic explorers like yourself might consider looking for a low pop pvp server where one side isnt heavily outnumbered if you're going to stick ot it. As far as escape artists go, druids, shamans, and rogues are all quite apt. High pop PvP servers tend to be a little crueler and harder to start a new character on.

I agree, since there is no death penalty, I dont mind dying. To me, the PvP is awesome.

Just my 2 copper

Interesting...


Yes well I had very much considered Druid, however all the bad things I've heard about them kind of scared me away..

First, (sorry if this part of it was gone) but if i ever get corpse camped, just say it in the def channel and i have had 1-2 leevl 40's come and kick the peopel who camped my corpses **** really bad. And seomen is right, everyone needs to stop asking whats the best class!!! you choose a class and see if you like it. third, PVP is hella fun, there are just TONS of raids, only bad this would be is.. being under 20 or so, when u really cant go anywhere and raid.