If there is one concern I have about this game... its the longevity the game will have. I played EQ I for a couple years, and never got to the "uber" high level, only to 55, but what made the game fun for me was... I dont really recall how it ended up happening, but I collected some extremley rare items. I just had some of the best loot and drops on my guy. I dont know those of you who were familiar with EQ I, but my favorite was a level 1 twink who would sit in Bazaar and run around with Flayed Bab Leggings, Fungi Tunic, CoF, Custom Cowl of Mortality, RBG, etc... yes, I realize that I had too many haste items, that was the fun of it.
But, the point is... I dont see any high level mobs people will be raiding on a regular basis... I dont see once you get to 60... what is going to keep you going. I dont see what you'll WANT to fight to get that last piece of great equipment your searching for. In EQ I you always knew there were things still to fight, great mobs to go kill, etc.
I love WoW, and cancelled my EQ II subscription for it... but I just question, what will they have in the end game for us PvE people. I dont care about raiding the Alliance or the Horde. I want to work together with my guild and get some true raid expieriences in.....
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The only thing i can say to this is that everyone has there own fancy, you like what you like and that is all. If you do not think that WOW is right for you then you simply move back to one you like.
Everyone has something that they like.
Everyone has something that they like.
The only thing I can say, I've said before, and that's this:
Stop comparing WoW to EQ how it is today. Exactly how many patches and expansions has come out since release of EQ? A LOT! So when people talk about the replay value and all that jazz, they need to take it into consideration that the game has just begun. Not everything that you see in EQ today came out at release. So please take that into consideration. We don't even know if level 60 is the end all be all cap. When FFXI came out in Japan, the cap was 50. It is now 75. I am confident that Blizzard has a lot of content that is in the works, and that is what will keep people going. Until it happens, I know a lot of people who try new classes which is also encouraged by Blizzard.
Stop comparing WoW to EQ how it is today. Exactly how many patches and expansions has come out since release of EQ? A LOT! So when people talk about the replay value and all that jazz, they need to take it into consideration that the game has just begun. Not everything that you see in EQ today came out at release. So please take that into consideration. We don't even know if level 60 is the end all be all cap. When FFXI came out in Japan, the cap was 50. It is now 75. I am confident that Blizzard has a lot of content that is in the works, and that is what will keep people going. Until it happens, I know a lot of people who try new classes which is also encouraged by Blizzard.
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I agree with Brinagh.and again i say that everyone has something that they like. you just have to find it.
(err that sounds a little Motherish LOL)
(err that sounds a little Motherish LOL)
i think i did read at some point on the offical site there will be more raid instances. Im too lazy to verify this though.
Aye, to try to even consider the longevity of the game as it stands three weeks after release is a bit ridiculous. FFXI was out a year before Americans "officially" got it and EQ has been out what seems a geological age (we'll call it the Norrath Period, only rivaled by the Precambrian in terms of length). The fact of the matter, which has been echoed countless times, is that this is the infancy of a game in a genre where expansion is commonplace and depth and longevity are as elastic and ethereal as the themes the games themselves like to play upon. If the game was to be as it is today forever, you may have reason for concern, but even with that the play variety currently in game would suffice for at least 2 characters to level60 (one horde, one alliance) if you didn't want ANY carry-over quests. Quite a grand amount of game to wade through, for most gamers that is.
Now is not the time to worry about what you've come here to worry about, it's time to do exactly what you said you've been doing: enjoying WoW. You'll have time to be bored with the game sometime in the future, but that's not likely to be anytime soon.
Now is not the time to worry about what you've come here to worry about, it's time to do exactly what you said you've been doing: enjoying WoW. You'll have time to be bored with the game sometime in the future, but that's not likely to be anytime soon.
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You'll have time to be bored with the game sometime in the future, but that's not likely to be anytime soon.
I hope your right. I currently have a couple characters, 22 NE Rogue, 20 Human Warlock, and 16 Undead Mage. Had to quit the first two due to real life friends starting up... the Mage... I'm starting to think he has some serious issues. And i'm not sure what class I could go too next if he does not pan out.
And while I agree three weeks may be too early, with people allready hitting the level cap, it is somewhat a concern. I wont hit 60 for most likley a few months due to my playstyle and time... so it doesnt matter too me alot at this point.
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People worry too much about endgame. Why? Are you not having fun right now? You might have more fun on a PvP server. And also dont say you have completed this game unless you have tried every job and leveled it. And when you reach lvl 60 you can just start over! Thats the fun of it. Maybe start out with a different race. Not sure how it is in Wow (i dont have it yet...) but in FF XI you could send stuff to other people. So if you can do that in WoW you would be able to create a high character and then just use him to make money for another character. And knowing Blizzard and believing in their imagination they will hopefully release race specific equipment or job specific equipment. I hate to bring up FF XI but when you party in FF XI with and all of the people have AF armor on you look mad awesome and it makes you look like an elite bunch of peeps. Anyway hopefully i have given you some ideas. The general theme here is: enjoy the game while it lasts and dont think about the end until you get there. Remember: Blizzard did make creating a new character FREE unlike FF XI (unless you deleted the old one), this way they practicaly push you into making a new character. Take advantage of this!
Well, to the OP, I played EQ for 5 years and started on week 1. EQ was much smaller in size, scope and items when it was released than WoW is now. EQ added tons of items every time an expansion came out.
If EQ had not expanded, you would have been sitting at level 50 and would not have had any of the items you mention in your post...because I believe they were all expansion items.
Bliz will expand and add new zones, items, mobs, quests and possibly even playable races and classes. I would not start worrying about longevity until after the first or second patch to see how good of a job they do.
If EQ had not expanded, you would have been sitting at level 50 and would not have had any of the items you mention in your post...because I believe they were all expansion items.
Bliz will expand and add new zones, items, mobs, quests and possibly even playable races and classes. I would not start worrying about longevity until after the first or second patch to see how good of a job they do.
AC was my first MMORPG... started playing it about two weeks after it was released. Since then I've played EQ, DAoC, AO, CoH, SWG, SB, EQ2, AC2... I'm probably even leaving a couple out.
I always play multiple characters, which certainly factors in to why I've never maxed a character. My highest in EQ was 29. In AC, something like 34 (out of a max of 126). In AO my highest was around 60 (out of max 200), and in DAoC it was 26.
WoW is, IMO, both the best overall and the most casual-player friendly of all the MMORPGs I've played. Does that mean I'll max a character, or even get close? Who knows. But given my track record, what to do when I get 60 ranks right up their with such pressing concerns as where to invest my 80 zillion in lottery winnings and how to tell my wife that Brook Burke wants to move in with us and be my love slave.
I always play multiple characters, which certainly factors in to why I've never maxed a character. My highest in EQ was 29. In AC, something like 34 (out of a max of 126). In AO my highest was around 60 (out of max 200), and in DAoC it was 26.
WoW is, IMO, both the best overall and the most casual-player friendly of all the MMORPGs I've played. Does that mean I'll max a character, or even get close? Who knows. But given my track record, what to do when I get 60 ranks right up their with such pressing concerns as where to invest my 80 zillion in lottery winnings and how to tell my wife that Brook Burke wants to move in with us and be my love slave.
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Stop comparing WoW to EQ how it is today.
Stop comparing WoW to every other game that had more than 12 players at a time please. This is WoW, not EQ, EQ2, FFXI, CoH, Lineage, Lineage2, or any other game that you can think of.
And the next former or want to be former FFXI person who asks how the game compares I am going to rate down simply on principle, not that anyone really cares about Karma that much.
There will be blizzard is to smart to let a thing like high end mobs keep the game from being fun. Did you see that dragon that smoke a entire raid? It was a elite and smoked a entire raid like it was nothing. This is the original release and they will release expansions for the higher end game. It is going to happen look at all the elite mobs that are out there. Plus the noone has been everywhere and seen everything yet.
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Stop comparing WoW to every other game that had more than 12 players at a time please. This is WoW, not EQ, EQ2, FFXI, CoH, Lineage, Lineage2, or any other game that you can think of.
And the next former or want to be former FFXI person who asks how the game compares I am going to rate down simply on principle, not that anyone really cares about Karma that much.
And the next former or want to be former FFXI person who asks how the game compares I am going to rate down simply on principle, not that anyone really cares about Karma that much.
The problem is, alot of the ideas/concepts/what have you have been taken from other games and so, while WoW is very much a different game from other MMORPGS, comparisons are valid, and can be helpful in determining an opinion.
If someone were to ask about tradeskills, and we were to say that they are in the game, that will not always suffice. Are they like EQ's tradeskills, where you give yourself carpal tunnel by click-click-clicking each item one by one until you're driven insane? Is it like other forms of crafting in other games?
Same thing with Rogues, Paladins and any other jobs in the game. People have questions, and yes, it's getting old, but hey, welcome to message boards and the internet. There will always be 'older' people on board (in terms of time spent, not actual physical age) who get tired of, and ridicule those who come asking questions.
Just stop clicking on and reading those threads that they produce. Everyone has the same entitlement to post on here and ask questions, even if it is redundant.
Unless your name is Allakhazam, then by all means, continue ********* ;P
Also, to the first poster...
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But, the point is... I dont see any high level mobs people will be raiding on a regular basis... I dont see once you get to 60... what is going to keep you going. I dont see what you'll WANT to fight to get that last piece of great equipment your searching for. In EQ I you always knew there were things still to fight, great mobs to go kill, etc.
Remember bronze armor? Remember how you wore the exact same set of gear for god knows how many levels? Remember how Vox and Naggy weren't itemized at the very very beginning of EQ?
There will be high end content to look forward to, I can assure you of that much. Whether or not it will be worth sticking around for is your own personal decision, however. From what I know of, there are plans to open things up so you can go and face off w/ Illidian in Outworld (he's supposedly *the* NPC to best in the game, currently), head up to Northrend to face off w/ Arthas (this is supposedly *way* down the line, but it will come up...it will also introduce the Scourge to us on a large scale, and will open up the Nerubians, frost wyrms and other nasties). Battlegrounds (which are more or less along the lines of DAoC's open battleground areas) are going to be another area open up, and I believe there will be a high end instance opened up for Molten Core (EDIT: MC is already a high level instance, there are rumours a 40-50 level portion will be added). There is also the Emerald Dream, Mount Hyjal and the Caverns of Time as other rumoured 'raid' or 'end game' zones. This is on top of Onyxia and any other assorted junk that is out there.
Honestly, don't fret over the 'end game' until you have taken your character to 60, have equipped him with proper raid gear, maybe gotten a tradeskill up to 300, and the majority of your guild has joined you at that level 60 marker.
Check out this site:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdevelopment.html
For more information regarding what is being worked on currently.
Some more junk:
- Azuregos (Raid encounter in Azshara)
- Lord Kazzak (Raid Doomguard in Tainted Scar)
- Dire Maul (Level 47-56 Dungeon in Feralas)
- Blackwing Lair (New Raid Dungeon)
Hell, go check out a PvP server, switch to Alliance if you went Horde, take up a tradeskill if you haven't already, or start taking swings at Onyxia and trying to formulate a working strategy that'll take her out.
There is much to do in this game, don't worry. :)
Edited, Sat Dec 18 07:32:57 2004 by Taolil
To comment strait at the first poster. There are items people quest for in this game. There are also rare drops, this happens as soon as level 15 when you try your first instances. (Yes I said try, I'm sure there is some uber person who will say how easy their first instance was, but I've never gone back into one before having a good 5 level cushion on the level you get the missions at.) I can't tell you the number of people, mostly rogues doing Vancleef runs over and over for black defias armor or how good I felt when I won the roll for the Cruel Barb. And this is at early levels.
With the instance system and nearly random drops there will never be a lot of camping, a major time sink and something that adds to the “Longevity” of a game. (Of course one must be wired correctly to enjoy camping, I am not.) I strongly doubt there will be one item everyone will have. (Though if you read through the rogue boards there is a toxic avenger everyone wets themselves over and of course there is vargen fist if you are a paladin but these are not level 60 items.
No one really knows yet how things like battlefields and raid dungeons will pan out. Still I can safely say coming from CoH no one needed the excuse of sexy loot to hunt Hamindom or any of the high level monsters and super villains in the game, they fought them over and over, just to do it and to get better.
With the instance system and nearly random drops there will never be a lot of camping, a major time sink and something that adds to the “Longevity” of a game. (Of course one must be wired correctly to enjoy camping, I am not.) I strongly doubt there will be one item everyone will have. (Though if you read through the rogue boards there is a toxic avenger everyone wets themselves over and of course there is vargen fist if you are a paladin but these are not level 60 items.
No one really knows yet how things like battlefields and raid dungeons will pan out. Still I can safely say coming from CoH no one needed the excuse of sexy loot to hunt Hamindom or any of the high level monsters and super villains in the game, they fought them over and over, just to do it and to get better.
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