I'm so confused about which weapons to use.
Sword/Sword = l33t dmg
dagger/sword = assassination skills
which?
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dagger/dagger, UBER DPS instead of leet :P
Edit: Assuming you have the best daggers available per lvl and the right dagger skills ofc ;)
Edited, Tue Dec 7 05:19:24 2004 by RacialCreamer
Edit: Assuming you have the best daggers available per lvl and the right dagger skills ofc ;)
Edited, Tue Dec 7 05:19:24 2004 by RacialCreamer
Well i assumed that, however dagger skills require you to be stealthed and behind the target at which point it breaks stealth. Not to useful >_<
Noooo, you don't have to be stealthed, you can dish out insane dmg anyway. Plus unless you're human you get a penalty for using swords and I feel that daggers are the best dealing out that insane dmg which most ppl crave. Stealthed or not.
Every dagger skill I use doesn't require stealth (yet? I'm not sure). I'm 17 and haven't had anything like that. 
Do you have backstab? If so it requires stealth against aggro mobs at least...and usually players too. It doesn't technically require it, but it helps a lot. ;)
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Personally, I use daggers in groups and maces/swords while soloing. It's easier to backstab when you're grouped with a good tank. Unfortunately this means I have a lot of inventory spots tied up with weapons.
Backstab does not require stealth. ambush and cheap shot are much better openers. backstab is for groups and stuns(gouge mainly)
dager + mace
you get to add stun, like 10% stun on hit. then you can add more with talents. you can do 2 mace but then you will lose b stab...
you get to add stun, like 10% stun on hit. then you can add more with talents. you can do 2 mace but then you will lose b stab...
backstab does 150% weapon dmg which on a dagger is around 12-26 at lvl 15-20. It hits for 60-80dmg.
I hit for 60dmg with my swords alone and an additional 20 on my offhand sword. Add sinister strike into the mix and critical hits im doing about 120+dmg every round of swinging. I tried using my dagger/sword combo and couldnt even break 100dmg on most occasions.
Please notice that backstab is only one of the many dagger skills that does require stealth and behind target. And you can only stealth in combat with lvl 22skill vanish.
Edited, Tue Dec 7 08:47:09 2004 by djscribz
I hit for 60dmg with my swords alone and an additional 20 on my offhand sword. Add sinister strike into the mix and critical hits im doing about 120+dmg every round of swinging. I tried using my dagger/sword combo and couldnt even break 100dmg on most occasions.
Please notice that backstab is only one of the many dagger skills that does require stealth and behind target. And you can only stealth in combat with lvl 22skill vanish.
Edited, Tue Dec 7 08:47:09 2004 by djscribz
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Please notice that backstab is only one of the many dagger skills that does require stealth and behind target.
Backstab does not require stealth. If it does I am one exploiting fool since I am 21 and backstab like crazy.
Ambush requires dagger and stealth and as someone metnioned is one hell of a way to start a fight, crit for 180 when I am lucky.
blah excuse me i meant backstab was only 1 of the few dagger skills that DOES NOT require stealth hehe, my bad on that typo.
But as for starting a fight, I like to use my gun. Normal hits for about 50dmg and crits for 80-100dmg. Sometimes I can get 2 shots off before they are in my face, 3 shots with a druid in my pt. I think im more of a cut-throat rogue who doesnt care who sees me, just as long as I slit the enemies throat it's a good day for me. What's great about this game is that there is no cookie cutter path. Rogue's can succeed and be proficient in just about any path chosen. Personally in PvP I enjoy firing my gun, hitting stealth + sprint, get in front of him and sinister strike him to death :).
Edited, Tue Dec 7 09:10:19 2004 by djscribz
But as for starting a fight, I like to use my gun. Normal hits for about 50dmg and crits for 80-100dmg. Sometimes I can get 2 shots off before they are in my face, 3 shots with a druid in my pt. I think im more of a cut-throat rogue who doesnt care who sees me, just as long as I slit the enemies throat it's a good day for me. What's great about this game is that there is no cookie cutter path. Rogue's can succeed and be proficient in just about any path chosen. Personally in PvP I enjoy firing my gun, hitting stealth + sprint, get in front of him and sinister strike him to death :).
Edited, Tue Dec 7 09:10:19 2004 by djscribz
I think you are thinking of Ambush, which requires stealth, not backstab. Backstab does not require stealth...
Those are the only two moves which require a dagger...
You are looking at the big # damage, but you have to consider damage over time (or DPS - Damage per Second)...
Using a sword, you may get higher damage per hit, but you'll get fewer hits in a given time-period. With daggers, which are generally faster, you'll get slightly less damaging hits, but more of them in that time-period.
This can be very useful for spell interruption...
If you are using a sword with less DPS than a dagger, you're not only hurting your Damage over the course of the fight, but also missing out on a very useful move (Backstab). Gouge and Backstab are a wonderfully effective combo.
Now, all that said, play what you like, play what fits your style, just keep in mind, DPS is what matters most. WoW is accomodating to actually figure out the DPS and list it on the weapon stats, there's a reason for that...
Edit: Took me too long to post, some of my babble has already been clarified
Edited, Tue Dec 7 09:09:41 2004 by Malyr
Those are the only two moves which require a dagger...
You are looking at the big # damage, but you have to consider damage over time (or DPS - Damage per Second)...
Using a sword, you may get higher damage per hit, but you'll get fewer hits in a given time-period. With daggers, which are generally faster, you'll get slightly less damaging hits, but more of them in that time-period.
This can be very useful for spell interruption...
If you are using a sword with less DPS than a dagger, you're not only hurting your Damage over the course of the fight, but also missing out on a very useful move (Backstab). Gouge and Backstab are a wonderfully effective combo.
Now, all that said, play what you like, play what fits your style, just keep in mind, DPS is what matters most. WoW is accomodating to actually figure out the DPS and list it on the weapon stats, there's a reason for that...
Edit: Took me too long to post, some of my babble has already been clarified
Edited, Tue Dec 7 09:09:41 2004 by Malyr
The thing is, weapon delay barely plays any role in a Rogue's life, with the exception of a ranged weapon. Sinister strike, which should be everyone's main attack, is an instant cast which means you can usually pull out 3hits per round, that is sinister strike + your two attacks. I think the only portion of where weapon delay would come into affect would be during slice and dice. But even still you should be using sinister strike liberally.
Much like you I am a in your face melee rogue, I like to use the stealth openers though to get the extra dmg in right off the bat and give myself a slight edge when taking on mobs a lvl or 2 over myself.
My usual attack style goes something like this:
Stealth, ambush
SS
SS
Expose armor
gouge
backstab(if gouge worked)
SS
Eviscerate, even level mobs usually don't last more than 15-25 seconds and I can avoid having to burn evasion unless I get a lot of misses with the specail attacks.
I lean towards daggers for the pure speed and the imagery of the rogue but I do carry one off hand mace and one off hand sword to keep skills up and for a little extra dmg now and then when grouped.
My usual attack style goes something like this:
Stealth, ambush
SS
SS
Expose armor
gouge
backstab(if gouge worked)
SS
Eviscerate, even level mobs usually don't last more than 15-25 seconds and I can avoid having to burn evasion unless I get a lot of misses with the specail attacks.
I lean towards daggers for the pure speed and the imagery of the rogue but I do carry one off hand mace and one off hand sword to keep skills up and for a little extra dmg now and then when grouped.
Is a dagger on the main hand and a sword in the off-hand any good?
You do not need to be in stealth for your dagger skill to go up.
I got a cool dagger drop on my hunter, so I trained dagger and use it in my off-hand now. He cannot stealth and his dagger skill is close to max all of the time. Well, I just got a nice sword drop so I have not used dagger in a level or two...but stealth not necessary for dagger skill-ups.
As for dagger in main hand...sure you can use it main hand. Rule of thumb is to put the weapon that deals the most DPS in your main hand. It will hit more regularly. Dual wield is a percentage chance to hit, so it is not as regular as the primary combat ability.
I got a cool dagger drop on my hunter, so I trained dagger and use it in my off-hand now. He cannot stealth and his dagger skill is close to max all of the time. Well, I just got a nice sword drop so I have not used dagger in a level or two...but stealth not necessary for dagger skill-ups.
As for dagger in main hand...sure you can use it main hand. Rule of thumb is to put the weapon that deals the most DPS in your main hand. It will hit more regularly. Dual wield is a percentage chance to hit, so it is not as regular as the primary combat ability.
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I started dagger/dagger and the dps is nuts, but i got a nice sword last night in Deadmines so im trying it out as dagger/sword both are good, the sword is a little slower but i still doing tons of dmg guess the combo is decided on how you're fighting. Solo dagger/sword Pty dagger/dagger
Rehz you should really try the sword/sword combo, i can gurantee you will not be disappointed :)
I'm a 29 Rogue, and I've kept both of my daggers and dual swords up to cap. I see no reason why you can't start off the battle with daggers so you can whip in a backstab/ambush. Then switch to the dual swords. With swords, you do lose the ability for powerful skills like backstab and ambush, but your sinister strike and eviscerate are damn powerful. Also since you'll be mashing them like crazy, you won't have to worry about the attack speed of the swords.
Can you use a macro the equip things?
And if so what is it?
And if so what is it?
iv been told by a former rogue in CB that the highest DPS you can get is with dagger/dagger and instant poison, it will beat sword/dagger combo (second best) and beat mace/dagger (third best).
this is at lvl 60 at least in mean time use what you like or think is best but dont diss daggers they do a lot beter them most of you seem to think. And the hole point of BS/ambush with dagger is geting CRITS, i was geting 450dmg ambush crits at lvl 28 now thats a nice opener :P
this is at lvl 60 at least in mean time use what you like or think is best but dont diss daggers they do a lot beter them most of you seem to think. And the hole point of BS/ambush with dagger is geting CRITS, i was geting 450dmg ambush crits at lvl 28 now thats a nice opener :P
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...unless you're human you get a penalty for using swords...
Er, what? That's an incredibly pessimistic way of interpreting, "Humans get a bonus with swords."
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Rogue question: Does anyone out there take advantage of thrown weapons and bows?
More input than "no, they suXXoRz" please.
More input than "no, they suXXoRz" please.
I personally use a gun and i love it. Just go a Lovingly Crafted Boomstick and it r0x. But back to the dagger vs sword issue. I have recently been trying out sword/mace and i must say i am amazingly happy. Thing is i usually solo, so backstab + ambush isnt too viable considering mobs link like a mother...I have been trying the gouge + backstab but im still not satisfied with the results as of yet. I personally like to kick + gouge + eviscerate. I was told by many high lvl rogues, that weapons are entirely about preference and fighting style. If properlly built, sword/sword vs dagger/dagger = equal. I havnt gotten poisons yet but couldnt i have a fire enchanted sword and add poison to it?
no way can a dagger/dagger combo beat a sword/mace combo I had 3 rogues so far and the best by far is sword/mace. Especially for dueling or PvP
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