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I just CANT beat shamans !!!! grrrrrrFollow

#1 Dec 06 2004 at 2:09 PM Rating: Default
Ok this has been pissin me off, maybe some of you other duelers can give me some advice. I have (among other chars) a lvl 19 rogue and I can swiftly kill any of the other classes around my own lvl (even dropped a lvl 23 warrior). But shamans! BAH! For some reason no matter wat tactic i use, wat skills I use, how much dmg i seem to pile on, i just cant drop one. Ive killed one that was one lvl lower then me, but anything even or higher just wipes the floor with me. i consider myself a pretty good duelist, seeing as i seem to usually kill off everything other then shamans, but they are, as of yet, the bane of my existence. if any of you other rogues or heck, any other class, have a tactic that u use against em during duels, leme know PLEASE!! I have a shaman guild mate who is constantly rubbing it in, and i want to drop his ***.. thanks for any advice you can give me
#2 Dec 06 2004 at 2:11 PM Rating: Default
Yeah, im actually a pretty bad player when it comes to a Shaman, but even with how poor i play i can still WIPE THE FLOOR with people around my level. I say the same thing about the paladin though.
#3 Dec 06 2004 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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I see you're an FFXI person ... so let me dare to give you an FFXI analogy.

Rogues are the ultimate damage dealer but depend on strategic physical positioning to be most effective. They also have no magic defense and no healing.

From my Ballista experience in FFXI, in the odd times when I'd get the change to duel someone, I could always take the DRKs and THFs. I would just enfeeble the hell outta them, buff myself to the tee, and hack away. If their friends didn't come join in, I'd kill them in about 1 minute. They'd just keep missing me, hitting my Stoneskin, and when they did get any damage through, Phalanx was right there to absorb 1/3 of it. I could heal when necessary, and unless they happened to be DRK/WHM (a good Ballista combination, strange as it might sound) they'd quickly die. Oh - and good luck Aspiring a mage with much higher magical DEF than your magical attack.

Same idea here - Shamans have healing, buffing and enhancing types of magic. While you could probably take him out if he couldn't heal himself - he can and will, and all your hard work won't help unless you can kill him fast enough.

I'm a Hunter, but I've never beaten a Shaman. I've come very close. The best strategy I've found was to just stand at range (which Shaman's aren't opposed to) and just fire as fast and hard as I can, and send my pet to attack him and destroy his totems.

Now that you brought all this up, I'm going to go duel some more Shamans and see if I can come back with any new insight.

#4 Dec 06 2004 at 2:21 PM Rating: Default
Well said Jord.

A minor note, I'm that shaman he cant beat =p
#5 Dec 06 2004 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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What kind of rogue are you? As a sword/x rogue, I have no trouble dropping anything that comes at me, up to 3-4 levels higher... Including paladins and shamans. As a dagger rogue, I donno.
#6 Dec 06 2004 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, as a shaman- if you can close with us before taking major damage, we're dead. You can outmelee us any day of the week. And if you sap us we're in real trouble. Our only chance of winning once you're in melee range is if you're an idiot or if we have you below 50% health already. Even with under 50% it would be a hard fight.

Basicly- speed potions and free action potions are your friend. Speed will allow you to catch up to any shaman who isn't in ghost form, so you can stop them from kiting. FAPs will break their snare so they can't kite you. When you catch up, use one of your stuns then go to town.
#7 Dec 06 2004 at 4:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Remember to use your kick to interrupt heal spell. Grouge works as well,use the 4 sec to bandage yourself. Weapon wise I go with whatever has the highest DSP at the time.
#8 Dec 06 2004 at 11:21 PM Rating: Default
i am just messing aroud when i say this..
Just stab the hell out of them



SHAMANS CANT BE BEAT well not mine anways (t'.'t)
#9 Dec 07 2004 at 1:45 AM Rating: Decent
I dont PvP much, but it seems that Hunters stand a fair chance,... and from the fights with rogues I've been in them too.

From my perspective of a hunter, We have Wing clip and concussive shot (If you have put Talent points into Concussive theres a good chance it will stun entirely) at level 26 we get rapid fire. If you've tought your pet Scratch and Bite and auto cast them they will interrupt alot of spells. Also if you have the jump on them use traps to your advantage. I dont think much could stand up to Hunters Mark, Concussive Shot, Scorpid sting, Rapid fire, Arcane shot, Multi-Shot, (Auto shot till they are in melee range if they relize by now NOT to stay out of range.) Wing clip, Run while your pet pounds on them, Rinse and Repeat (Minus Debuffs)
#10 Dec 07 2004 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
Shamans are relatively one of the better classes till higher levels(40+). After that point, they kinda start lagging behind everything except maybe druids, so i can see how you'd have trouble beating one in a duel/pvp. the main 3 points to remember are-
1: Get up in their face ASAP. the less HP you have when you get to them, the better for them.
2: Don't let them heal or buff if you can, and strip their buffs if possible. Lightning Shield HURTS, and their procs aren't much friendlier.
3: if they ever lay a totem, destroy it immediately. Alot of shamans power pre level 30 is from totems. yes they've been ninjanerfed, but they're still potent.
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