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#1 Dec 02 2004 at 8:59 AM Rating: Default
I'm lvl 14 druid after a couple of days. The game is very easy so far. I don't have to spend any money on anything but spells and have over 1 gold.

The experience point system seems strange. Without any bought gear, I can take on mobs 2 lvls higher than me, but there's very little payoff from taking on toughs instead of EMs. I find parties annoying: Big xp hit, and I keep wanting to backstab those that loot more than fair share. Does the xp formula and pt dyanmics let you hit mobs much higher than you, when you are 2 or more? Or is the reason to pt only to make finishing quests easier?

When do I have to start spending money?

When does using the AH make sense? Seems like dumping everything to NPCs is quick and easy. Questing seems to get me useful weapons, and what I need to complete the future quests.

I started skinning and leathercrafting. Nice low level way to make extra $ and armour. I can see how giving these up and starting something new later can be worthwhile, because skinning makes money, and leathercrafting is pretty cheap. I can't seem to get enough raw materials to lvl leathercraft quickly though. Is there a place to buy leather? The improvement in armour quality by having crafting is minimal compared to what I find and quest for. Probably could take another free gathering skill and use extra money to buy what I'm missing. (but do I need money?)

Am I finding the game too easy because I'm trying to do all the quests? Would be hard to know where to go without doing them. What are items that I will need lots of money for? Will I know that its time to buy major upgrades when quests seem hard? Is a quicker way to level, and get gear, to go after orange quests right away (with party), and give up on the easier ones?

Is there a point to this game (with in-game rewards) that I don't get, or changes in a few levels?
#2 Dec 02 2004 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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I find parties annoying: Big xp hit, and I keep wanting to backstab those that loot more than fair share. Does the xp formula and pt dyanmics let you hit mobs much higher than you, when you are 2 or more? Or is the reason to pt only to make finishing quests easier?


You hit the nail on the head there, instances and making quests easier about the only things I know of, since you solo most of this game.

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When do I have to start spending money?


Well you have to buy spells/abilities and armor depending on your job/skills. But making money is pretty easy in this game anyways so don't be surprised to be seeing higher numbers soon.

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When does using the AH make sense? Seems like dumping everything to NPCs is quick and easy. Questing seems to get me useful weapons, and what I need to complete the future quests.


AH is usefull when you need to buy a new weapon or armor. Also for tradeskill items sometimes like gems and such. Also anything you sell over the AH retains that "Mad by ___" tag on it so people may send you tells asking you to make them stuff.
Finally, if you get a "green" or higher item you don't need, try to AH it once or twice, someone else could probably use it and you would be helping others in the process. Besides that, if the item doesn't sell, your only loosing a silver or so from the fee to put it up vs the NPC price while you could sell something for 10x or MORE the NPC price sometimes. Its all about how risky you want to be since its kinda like gambling.

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I can't seem to get enough raw materials to lvl leathercraft quickly though. Is there a place to buy leather?


Besides the AH, no. However I WAS having that same problem and I have a nice little tip, stockpile. It helps if you just spend a little getting the leathers but not processing them into anything.

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The improvement in armour quality by having crafting is minimal compared to what I find and quest for.


This isn't always the case, well at least for me as a hunter. As a Druid I don't know, since IMO leather is keyed towards Rouge and Hunters with most pieces offering AGI boosts.

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Probably could take another free gathering skill and use extra money to buy what I'm missing. (but do I need money?)


Your only allowed to have 2 main skills, if you read the bubble thing when you took your first you would read that. Secondary proffessions are cooking, fishing, first aid. As for money, like I said you always will for spells and things.

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Am I finding the game too easy because I'm trying to do all the quests? Would be hard to know where to go without doing them. What are items that I will need lots of money for?


Probably not at all, this is, at first, an easy game. Later it starts getting harder with the "Elite" quests and all. Most exp from this game is quests and killing mobs to complete quests. Again, as for the money, spells and abilities. You can spend over a 1g for spells as soon as level 26 or so... Probably sooner.

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Will I know that its time to buy major upgrades when quests seem hard? Is a quicker way to level, and get gear, to go after orange quests right away (with party), and give up on the easier ones?


You'll know its time to upgrade when your spells start doing less, your taking more damage then usual, any number of things. Personally I strive to have the best gear with stat boosts I can, but some people don't. I also tend to make 90% of my gear, only buying occassional things from merchants or the AH such as weapons.

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Is there a point to this game (with in-game rewards) that I don't get, or changes in a few levels?


Not that I know, besides new spells and all.
#3 Dec 02 2004 at 12:27 PM Rating: Default
thank you for detailed reply

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Probably could take another free gathering skill and use extra money to buy what I'm missing. (but do I need money?)


Your only allowed to have 2 main skills, if you read the bubble thing when you took your first you would read that. Secondary proffessions are cooking, fishing, first aid. As for money, like I said you always will for spells and things.


I was thinking of ditching leathercraft for another gathering skill. Do u have to rebuy all ur recipes if u come back to it? (I understand skill would drop to 0). Leather has so far been a slight money loser (considering cost of recipes).


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You'll know its time to upgrade when your spells start doing less, your taking more damage then usual, any number of things. Personally I strive to have the best gear with stat boosts I can,



I was lvl 15 with broken chest and leg pieces. finishing off a quest killing lvl 15 mobs. That was a 25-30% loss of defense. There was a barely noticeable increase in damage taken. That tells me, so far at least, that chasing the ultimate gear doesnt pay off that much.

If you do all the quests that come to you, fill ur slots b4 going back to town, is there a need to farm for money at higher levels?
#4 Dec 02 2004 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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GodSpiral wrote:
I find parties annoying: Big xp hit, and I keep wanting to backstab those that loot more than fair share. Does the xp formula and pt dyanmics let you hit mobs much higher than you, when you are 2 or more? Or is the reason to pt only to make finishing quests easier?
The biggest party situation I was in so far has been one instance, wouldn't have been possible without a party. Past that I've been in some small 2 - 3 man parties that we used to just blow through quests as fast as possible.

While you do take an XP hit when in a party, I noticed that the instance we went though we were getting around the normal solo xp when fighting the elite mobs, so xp still added up rather quickly, not to mention the two or three quests that were completed by doing it.
#5 Dec 02 2004 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, when your in an instance exp is about normal thanks to the diffuculty of the mobs your fighting. Also that your moving through them.

As for the skill thing, i'm surprised your not making some money leveling leathercraft. If you farm the skins your always getting some profit since your making 2 or 3 items normally... Now if your buying them... Well anyways yea I think you do loose all skill and items, not sure though.
#6 Dec 02 2004 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
If you remove the leathercrafting skill (or any skill for that matter), you will lose all of your to date earned leatherworking lvl and all recipes. You will automatically start at zero if you decide to pick it back up at a future date.

My friend who leathercrafts is always making money with leather, maybe you should farm some cats and bears for awhile to build up your stash of leather?

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#7 Dec 02 2004 at 3:51 PM Rating: Default
Im not making much in leathercraft, because I haven't powercrafted to a high level. Im around lvl 60, and the upper recipee's I bought all needed 8 leather, so Im skilling up slow. I'm slightly ahead considering if I had bought the armour I made from NPC, but I probably wouldn't have. I don't think Im still wearing any of the armour pieces I can make.

The other reason Im not making any money from leathercrafting is that Im not trying to. I just dump what I make to npc.
#8 Dec 02 2004 at 4:54 PM Rating: Decent
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LahD the Braindead wrote:
GodSpiral wrote:
I find parties annoying: Big xp hit, and I keep wanting to backstab those that loot more than fair share. Does the xp formula and pt dyanmics let you hit mobs much higher than you, when you are 2 or more? Or is the reason to pt only to make finishing quests easier?
The biggest party situation I was in so far has been one instance, wouldn't have been possible without a party. Past that I've been in some small 2 - 3 man parties that we used to just blow through quests as fast as possible.

While you do take an XP hit when in a party, I noticed that the instance we went though we were getting around the normal solo xp when fighting the elite mobs, so xp still added up rather quickly, not to mention the two or three quests that were completed by doing it.

Keep in mind that you're also most likely to tear through mobs quicker with help, so the XP sort of evens itself out. I would like to have some sort of number detail for this.: XP per hour or something, then compare the numbers for grouping as opposed to soloing. I wonder if they wouldn't be pretty close. I also didn't notice much of an XP loss if you're grouped with 1-2 people very close (within 1) or exactly your level.
#9 Dec 03 2004 at 5:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Well considering most people rarely go on leveling sprees, parties strictly for exp don't really come up. Now to kill mobs for quests, of course parties are better since you'll rip through them and get them done that much quicker, hence being able to move onto another quest sooner. So either way you cut it, chances are EXP/Hr in parties going to be more since you can do more quests.

Also the first time i'm invited to a join a exp party like in FFXI I think i'm going to either:

Quit
Put those people on ignore
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