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My friend is a Paladin, and he is just ridiculously better than me. His spells heal more, he does more damage, had great armor...He's three levels above me (I'm 12) but even when he WAS 12 he was way better than me. I have bear form, but that just seems useless. I can't heal in it. Am I doing something wrong? Or did I just pick the weakest class in the game?
Well, ive seen lvl 12 druids solo a couple highers then themselves, i was with a druid doing a blockphatom place quest and he healed me alot and he did some damn good healing, and we were level 18 at the time so we were doing a elite level 21 mob quest, and we almost did the entire thing without dieing once, personally druids SHOULD be healing alot better then paladins, you probably either picked wrong abilties or your talents are screwed up really bad beacuse all the druids i know are pretty damn good.
I have every ability possible for level 12. Maybe Paladins are just really good?
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On the topic at hand, though: Paladins (And Shamans on the side of the Horde) are considered by many people to be overpowered. That might be part of it.
A druid isn't really there to deal insane damage, or tank like crazy... But they are a support class more than anything. They can, however, do decent damage, heal people, and tank, to an extent. I love druids.
On the topic at hand, though: Paladins (And Shamans on the side of the Horde) are considered by many people to be overpowered. That might be part of it.
A druid isn't really there to deal insane damage, or tank like crazy... But they are a support class more than anything. They can, however, do decent damage, heal people, and tank, to an extent. I love druids.
nice to see a Gamma Ray fan here! Paladins overpowered? That's probably why I feel worthless. I'll keep with it and see what happens.
Well, look at the offical forums and look at the class. they will say whats your strengths and weaknesses. Or maybe you should post what you put your talents into so i could maybe point out whats wrong for some Constructive Criticism.
Just looking at the lvl 60 spells and the highest level heals:
Paladin - 1388 max heal
Druid - 2230 max heal
Paladins get some nice instant stuff. Druids have much more though in the way of regens, damage spells, utility, etc. Lots to offer on both. Very different the higher they get. Druid has a lot of different abilities that can make things fun.
Paladin - 1388 max heal
Druid - 2230 max heal
Paladins get some nice instant stuff. Druids have much more though in the way of regens, damage spells, utility, etc. Lots to offer on both. Very different the higher they get. Druid has a lot of different abilities that can make things fun.
Thats a paladins str/weak
Strengths:
Can wear the heaviest of armors
A melee fighter that can also heal
Can resurrect other players
Auras can benefit the Paladin and party members
Can summon a custom armored Warhorse mount
Weaknesses:
Doesn't have as many combat options and strengths as the Warrior
Cannot equip as many weapon types as the Warrior
Very gear dependant class
Druids
Strengths:
Multiple play style options
Transform into cool-looking animals that impress other players and add a lot of character, flavor, and humor to the world
Several weapon options
Fast travel via aquatic and travel forms
The most powerful buff of all the classes
Can resurrect during battle
Weaknesses:
Restricted to Cloth and Leather Armor only
Forms are not as versatile as their counterpart classes, but might be considered as powerful
Can't use items or Druid spells while in the various animal forms
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Druids
Strengths:
Multiple play style options
Transform into cool-looking animals that impress other players and add a lot of character, flavor, and humor to the world
Several weapon options
Fast travel via aquatic and travel forms
The most powerful buff of all the classes
Can resurrect during battle
Weaknesses:
Restricted to Cloth and Leather Armor only
Forms are not as versatile as their counterpart classes, but might be considered as powerful
Can't use items or Druid spells while in the various animal forms
Strengths:
Multiple play style options
Transform into cool-looking animals that impress other players and add a lot of character, flavor, and humor to the world
Several weapon options
Fast travel via aquatic and travel forms
The most powerful buff of all the classes
Can resurrect during battle
Weaknesses:
Restricted to Cloth and Leather Armor only
Forms are not as versatile as their counterpart classes, but might be considered as powerful
Can't use items or Druid spells while in the various animal forms
While the Druid forms are fairly powerful when you recieve them, as you scale up in level, they become weaker and weaker, relatively, until they almost cease to matter. Druid as it currently stands is woefully underpowered.
The main problem being that since the bear and cat (tank and attack) forms don't calculate druid weapon damage in the form attack, their attacks become weaker as the melee classes recieve better equipment. There's no way to make up for this currently.
Since the bear (tank) form recieves the druid armor bonus, the tank is limited to the druid's leather or cloth armor (which at high levels falls far behind the armor rating of mail or plate, the bear ceases to be a useful tank.
It's a nasty situation. Since the Druid was overpowered at the start, they nerfed the casting. Druids switched tactics to use their forms, and then the forms got nerfed, but the casting wasn't restored. The current Druid is the result - an inefficient caster (high mana cost and middle-range effect, since you were supposed to use forms) at higher levels, and useless forms at higher levels.
Druids are often passed over at high-end instanced missions, since they're just not that useful at higher levels.
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Edited, Wed Dec 1 10:39:58 2004 by LuneOwndya
Druids are the only thing that keeps shamans from owning all PvP battles. Druids' root spell is just about the most annoying spell in the game. Compile that with their healing ability, and they make excellent support characters. NOTE: This is for PvP. In PvE, Druids are actually very good tanks. Very good because they get automatic boost to armor from items, hp and damage, as well as taunt demoralizing roar, and other not as useful abilities. Druids are excellent PvE tanks.
I personally liked the druids in WC3. I also like that druids can change forms, and heal. If you've played WC3, you'll notice they have a very good de-buff called Faerie Fire that only the druid has. Druids also have really good buffs that lasts quite a well, and also good healing spells that are almost better then a priest itself. If you want some melee damage, and healing at the same time with good movement, try this class.
I'm up to level 16, and really, I'm still not that good. Maybe I F'ed up my talents, but they don't seem to do much anyways. I put 5 point to Wrath and 2 to Mark of the Wild. Something tells me that I made a huge mistake. Part of the Wrath is because I didnt see the tab at the bottom. So I say "Natures Grasp or Wrath?..uh...Wrath." My mistake -.-
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" But they are a support class more than anything. "
Strange to see that, since according to the Official web site information, the druid is an excellent solo class.
Strange to see that, since according to the Official web site information, the druid is an excellent solo class.
Druids have the two best buffs in the game. I can tell you for certain they have better heals then a Paladin. Their main heal is more mana efficient and they aslo have two great heals overtime that stack. They have a instant cast damage over times spell. Really the only complaint you hear from druids is the ones that want to use their animal forms a lot since they become weaker as someone noted due to equipment becoming really good at higher levels. Druids that just stay in normal form can be quite powerful though at higher levels and spec their talent trees for damage spells and healing.
eeww.. improved wrath? Grasp is SO much better. Its instant crowd control (real life saver). Druids may not be able to kill creatures as fast as other classes, but are soooo good if you play them to the best of their abilities (which means using all their abilities).
Rogues may be able to kill a single mob faster than me, but I'd sure love to see a rogue kill as many monsters in 1 hour that I can, because I doubt it would happen. I'd also like to see any other class take on 3 mobs of the same level solo and win (not run).
I'll admit that it a druid becomes marginally less useful in dungeons because of the inability to use root indoors (something that is much lamented about in druid forums), but we still offer damage, healing, tanking and buffing as needed.
At lvl 40 bear form gets upgraded to dire bear form, which gives a 125% armor bonus (over the 65% bonus of bear form) which i believe helps cover up some of the lack of armor class from leathers.
Since I haven't had a chance to experience the end game yet I can't comment on how druids fare then, but I've heard plenty about the fact that form damage is scaled according to level and str and is independant of the weapon. And I can see how this causes a problem when people hit lvl 60 and can get blue/purple weapons to give them huge upgrades in damage, and a druid never can, not to mention the pain in the butt trying to average out your stats do to the way your forms break up the usefulness of them.
It would be nice if they made it so that form damage was 50% str 50% int (50spi/50int would be too much to hope for, and probably unbalancing). Aside from that tho, i love the class.
Rogues may be able to kill a single mob faster than me, but I'd sure love to see a rogue kill as many monsters in 1 hour that I can, because I doubt it would happen. I'd also like to see any other class take on 3 mobs of the same level solo and win (not run).
I'll admit that it a druid becomes marginally less useful in dungeons because of the inability to use root indoors (something that is much lamented about in druid forums), but we still offer damage, healing, tanking and buffing as needed.
At lvl 40 bear form gets upgraded to dire bear form, which gives a 125% armor bonus (over the 65% bonus of bear form) which i believe helps cover up some of the lack of armor class from leathers.
Since I haven't had a chance to experience the end game yet I can't comment on how druids fare then, but I've heard plenty about the fact that form damage is scaled according to level and str and is independant of the weapon. And I can see how this causes a problem when people hit lvl 60 and can get blue/purple weapons to give them huge upgrades in damage, and a druid never can, not to mention the pain in the butt trying to average out your stats do to the way your forms break up the usefulness of them.
It would be nice if they made it so that form damage was 50% str 50% int (50spi/50int would be too much to hope for, and probably unbalancing). Aside from that tho, i love the class.
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So you made a mistake allocating talents. You aren't doomed! Just poorer. The big-city trainers will reset your talents, for a price. (Bigger price each time you reset.)
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Druid is really good if you cast regrowth and restortation before going into bear form. They are not the most powerful, but the most versetile. They do a little bit of everything.
This is what i do.
1 Enatangle,
2 moonfire,
3 weaken,
4 nuke till come to me,
5 attack and heal until mp is just enough for bear form
6 Swith to bear usually end, but sometimes need to switch back for heal
I just got cat so not sure how to use it.
This is what i do.
1 Enatangle,
2 moonfire,
3 weaken,
4 nuke till come to me,
5 attack and heal until mp is just enough for bear form
6 Swith to bear usually end, but sometimes need to switch back for heal
I just got cat so not sure how to use it.
I mainly use cat to farm lower level mobs quickly, or to sneak through Contested Territory.
Cat dishes the damage out, but the cat can't take it. Bear is better against higher level mobs.
As to the original question, "When do Druids get better"... the 20's and 30's are as good as it gets. The 20's are sweet.
But as you go up in levels, the forms get less and less useful. But the caster form is always useful. So we gradually become a Priest w/ a 30 minute rez and no PW:S, but can take a beating if you grab Healer Aggro and has MOTW.
Cat dishes the damage out, but the cat can't take it. Bear is better against higher level mobs.
As to the original question, "When do Druids get better"... the 20's and 30's are as good as it gets. The 20's are sweet.
But as you go up in levels, the forms get less and less useful. But the caster form is always useful. So we gradually become a Priest w/ a 30 minute rez and no PW:S, but can take a beating if you grab Healer Aggro and has MOTW.
Ok, im back in school so i post now. Druids are almost as good as priest they dish out more damage, YOUR NOT SUPOSE TO GO TO A ANIMAL FORM BEFORE A FIGHT ALONE. you are supose to BUFF yourself then go into a animal form, not just sit there and be like " ya the bear form is gonna woop their **** " no thats wrong. your on a damn BEAR. your not supose to be able to kill level 20 mobs with a BEAR. you should be able to kill mobs that a BEAR would be able to kill not some SUPERBEAR that uses items and can be all good. you should just learn how to buff, root, damage, then go into the animal form of your choosein and like it or not, thats how you should play it. and as for talents: if you want good talent builds thats one thing the offical forums are good for.
I'll hit level 18 in 2 more boxes, so that looks good. I've gotten better so far, but my talents do suck. Who can reset my talents? Normal Druid trainers? and I say "I was to unlearn skills" or whatever?
Yes, at your druid trainer. It costs 1g.
I plan on redoing my talent tree as well, but I'm just going to work with what I have, 'til I can make money off of alchemy? I don't think that's possible, but what the hell, might as well try. I heard skinning and leatherworking are the most profitable.
My druid is very close to 18 as well (I'm anticipating cat form!).
I love my druid, I've never had people complain, just the opposite, when I'm in parties. I do everything! Literally, so much fun. I can solo (not as good as my warlock) tough mobs, my only quam is CC. It doesn't seem to prevelent, rather available to me. Also, root breaks too fast on mobs just 1-2 levels higher than me. It only gives me time to get one moonfire in, then roots break, then wrath > rejuvenation > bear form > et cetera.
Druids, love 'em er hate 'em.
I plan on redoing my talent tree as well, but I'm just going to work with what I have, 'til I can make money off of alchemy? I don't think that's possible, but what the hell, might as well try. I heard skinning and leatherworking are the most profitable.
My druid is very close to 18 as well (I'm anticipating cat form!).
I love my druid, I've never had people complain, just the opposite, when I'm in parties. I do everything! Literally, so much fun. I can solo (not as good as my warlock) tough mobs, my only quam is CC. It doesn't seem to prevelent, rather available to me. Also, root breaks too fast on mobs just 1-2 levels higher than me. It only gives me time to get one moonfire in, then roots break, then wrath > rejuvenation > bear form > et cetera.
Druids, love 'em er hate 'em.
personaly im a lvl 12 druid, ive been soloing 13-15...druids personaly rock in my opinion...verry well balanced...
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