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#1 Nov 24 2004 at 7:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Please try to understand Blizzard's side of this.

From a logistical perspective, it would be impossible to accomodate all of people's expectations as I have seen in numerous complaint posts.

The Queue

Those of you who have been present for other MMORPG start dates know that there is no right answer. If they let everyone in all at once, newbie zones are overcrowded, lag is out of hand, and no one is having fun.

Another alternative would be limiting the quantity of the initial shipment, which would mean that a good number of us would not be playing at all. Yet another alternative was the FFXI-style of not allowing you to choose your own server - thus evenly distributing the population. I can tell you from experience reading these forums that people do not like either of these alternatives.

The queue ensures that those who are on-line can have a relatively pleasant game experience. It leaves no one angry that they don't have a copy, and it lets us choose to play on the same server as our friends.

"But they should obviously have more servers!"

No. They shouldn't. Try to understand something about MMORPG servers. They consist of a number of interconnected smaller servers, which typically represent what we call a "zone." On opening day, 100% of the server population is concentrated on a few of the smaller servers, namely the "newbie zones."

Adding additional servers would not solve this problem. What it would do is perhaps partially alleviate the rush, and in the long run we would end up with under-populated servers.

Speculating that "Blizzard should have made more servers" is assuming that you can out-speculate Blizzard's marketing team. Trust me - I'm a marketing student right now - Blizzard's marketing team did not pick the number out of thin air, and they understand the overall situation much better than you or I or anyone else who hasn't spent tens of thousands of dollars researching the market for such a critical decision.

The game still has bugs

Yes it does. It's not perfect, but from my experience, it's damn good for a first day MMORPG.

Personally, I was stuck dead for 20 mins last night. I was standing by my corpse and no button came up. Oh well ... I spent the time joking around with my buddies, making myself a snack, posting on the web, etc.

But FFXI North American release was very smooth

Yes - but that was a game that had already undergone TWO major releases and had 18 months to mature. It had previously been released for PS2 in Japan (the first release) and for PC in Japan. They also implemented the World Pass system (you could not choose your server) to ensure even distribution of new players.

It was hell reachingn tech support

While I do feel for you (if you had a bad disk or something and couldn't install) you have to understand the logistical nightmare that their call centre faced on opening day.

I work at a call centre. The company I work for is much larger than Blizzard, and on certain dates, usually corresponding with large promotions, we get 6-20x our normal call volume. On those days, our very substantial call switch is all but overloaded. We have 140 agents in three call centres and the system can hold up to 500-600 calls in queue, but despite every effort people still get busy signals and sometimes wait 5-10 mins to get through. There are also problems with dropped calls and crossed lines.

Now - you could say "well you should have more lines." The truth is that we should NOT. We are very well equipped for our daily call volumes. Should the company spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars just to be able to keep up with that one day? No.

It comes down to this - Would you rather pay more?

The possibility of waiting?

No one wants to wait a couple more weeks to play. I sure as hell know that I don't want to wait.

We don't want to wait. We want to play. However - it is a decision we are making. We bought the game on opening day. You have the power to choose - either put up with the rush, or come back in a week and things will be a great deal smoother.

In conclusion - while it is easy to ***** and complain, it's not going to accomplish anything. Blizzard should be given points for letting us know what is going on (which they did) and for what is in comparison a relatively smooth start. Generic whining about opening day as well as asserting your own opinion of how things SHOULD be accomplishes nothing...

But for that generic whining ... please use the Blizzard Forums ... Leave Alla out of it Smiley: wink2
#2 Nov 24 2004 at 7:40 PM Rating: Default
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I love you, too. I'm beginning to understand things better! Woe is me! (don't ask how that fits into this)
#3 Nov 24 2004 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Dude, King, it comes to two words:

Second Day

You make things too complicated :D

Well, for the effort, rate up!
#4 Nov 24 2004 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Smiley: clap


Well said.
#5 Nov 24 2004 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Dude, King, it comes to two words:

Second Day

You make things too complicated :D

Well, for the effort, rate up!


LoL yeah ... But people don't get that.

Besides... I'm getting PAID to sit here ... Whether my posts are useful or useless - Time is passing! 1:18 mins to go ...

I guess it's about time to call my bro and have him get me into the queue !
#6 Nov 24 2004 at 7:43 PM Rating: Default
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Its only the second day and so many people are whining. I hope I don't meet these damn whiners when I play.
#7 Nov 24 2004 at 7:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Personally, I was stuck dead for 20 mins last night. I was standing by my corpse and no button came up. Oh well ... I spent the time joking around with my buddies, making myself a snack, posting on the web, etc.


yea... happened to me too Smiley: cry, but someone suggested i logout and log back in, and after i did it worked ^^

as for the other stuff... what you said!
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#8 Nov 24 2004 at 7:43 PM Rating: Decent
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That is another thumbs up there king =)
#9 Nov 24 2004 at 7:52 PM Rating: Decent
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so your saying its peoples choice to whine?
#10 Nov 24 2004 at 7:57 PM Rating: Good
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Well said Kingjord. I'll probably wait till next week to grab a copy, for snag one of those 10 day trials from a friend. I waited with EQ2, till about the 4th day before actually logging in and playing.
#11 Nov 24 2004 at 8:29 PM Rating: Decent
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so your saying its peoples choice to whine?


That's what Blizzard forums are for :P

I don't go anywhere near them ...
#12 Nov 24 2004 at 8:38 PM Rating: Decent
Im already forced into waiting a week for gamecards.

The upside is, when i get my card, i expect blizzard will have their servers whipped into shape.
#13 Nov 24 2004 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
While the points made are good ones, here's a little counter point.
They knew the demand was going to be very high...heck, they had to close "open" Beta as they hit their limit. So, once they decided to close Beta, they could have and should have set up temporary backup servers for the subservers, or "zones."
I played City of Heroes at launch, and while, no, there weren't 500,000 peeps trying to play, they did do something smart...when zones went past medium load, suddenly there would be duplicate zones to choose from...such as Atlas Park 1 and Atlas Park 2.
Blizzard should have added duplicate subservers for the "newbie" zones so that if the zone can only hold 5,000 players, once it got to 3,000 there would be the option to go to "newbie" zone 1, 2, 3, or more. You and your friends all go to the same server to play together, but others go wherever they want. Yes, server 1 would still probably approach capacity, but people just logging in wouldn't be able to go to zone 1, only zones 2-?
Blizzard should have set up these redundant servers for the first few weeks at least, then they could either hang onto those for backups, or whatever, but at least we wouldn't have the problem we all have now. And yes, there probably would still be some peeps who couldn't get into the subserver their friends are on, but at least they could play on the same main server, and run into them at the next subserver, or in a few days, or maybe in an hour or so.
Oh, and I don't understand why it says a server is up, but when I go to login my toon it shows me the loading bar, then it says server is down. Stop lying to me. If the server is down, please don't waste my time and tell me it's up and I spend 5 minutes waiting for it to load my character selection screen, and another 10 minutes at the loading screen before it tells me it's down. Then I check server status, it says up, and I try again, thinking maybe it's me.
#14 Nov 24 2004 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Jeesh, you let a someone play a few MMOs and they think they should be the developer.
#15 Nov 24 2004 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, put simply, yes there will be teething troubles, and it looks like Blizz are trying to address them.

Just as simply, they SHOULD have had more servers, maybe twice as many as they thought they might need. Even rented ones. Once the game settles down, if some servers are underpopulated, then one day, merge two servers. Simple. Repeat whenever needed.

Blizzard will be making Millions of dollars every month from this game. I think the number of servers wasn't picked by their brilliant marketing department, but picked cautiously to spend as little money on hardware as possible.

Anyway, they're on it. I'm going to have a nap and try later on. Really, its not a big deal so long as I can play tomorrow. After that... I took vacation time to play this, that I can't get back.

Take Care,
Cherreia.
#16 Nov 24 2004 at 10:07 PM Rating: Decent
Since I rated down one of your posts rate up my friend, good point and I hate all the whining also.
As to the Counterpoint that is what EQ2 did and it works well until you have a large group going in zone and half of them forget what number they are suppose to be in. Might as well be lag you are waiting on.
#17 Nov 24 2004 at 10:08 PM Rating: Decent
haha, all you rally have to do to avoid a little lag is not pick up new items, get ones that stack and money, only times you get lag will be when you finish quest, but then you can dance and pray and cry all the time and have a fun time jumping ontop of stuff. all those damn panzy people who cant just live with it, or try to find ways to make it better should get off i say.
#18 Nov 24 2004 at 10:15 PM Rating: Good
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DarcLyte wrote:

I played City of Heroes at launch, and while, no, there weren't 500,000 peeps trying to play, they did do something smart...when zones went past medium load, suddenly there would be duplicate zones to choose from...such as Atlas Park 1 and Atlas Park 2.


The only problem with that is that WoW has no "zones". In CoH when you go from Atlas Park to Skyway City you go from 1 zone to another. When you go thru the connecting tunnel you actually switch servers. It may still be on the same server, but you go from Node A to Node B on that server. That's why they can create sub-zones. You go from Node A to Node B1 if Node B is full.

WoW has no zones. Yes there are named areas, but they aren't different nodes on the server. You don't go from Node A to Node B, you're still always in Node A.


Yes, I realize that's probably a very simplified version of how the servers work, and it may not be accurate, but it gets the point across of what happens in CoH compared to WoW.


P.S. Nice avatar Darc. One of Perez's best.
#19 Nov 24 2004 at 10:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I can still choose to whine though? not like im gonna, but i want my choice dammit =P
#20 Nov 24 2004 at 10:31 PM Rating: Good
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VampyreKnight wrote:
I can still choose to whine though? not like im gonna, but i want my choice dammit =P


No. You can't. Everyone else can, but you can't.
#21 Nov 24 2004 at 10:33 PM Rating: Decent
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damn you seo, now i got 2 white pills up my nose.
#22 Nov 24 2004 at 10:35 PM Rating: Good
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VampyreKnight wrote:
damn you seo, now i got 2 white pills up my nose.


Uhm..

ow
#23 Nov 24 2004 at 10:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Its ok, theyre disolving now...mmmm...me like.
#24 Nov 24 2004 at 10:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Seo I'm in 1st place in the poker tournament!

21 Players left from 30 ..

See ... when servers are down, there are better things to do than whine!

(and yes, shoving white pills up your nose is probably one of them, Vamp ^^)
#25 Nov 24 2004 at 10:39 PM Rating: Good
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The Glorious kingjord wrote:

Seo I'm in 1st place in the poker tournament!

21 Players left from 30 ..

See ... when servers are down, there are better things to do than whine!

(and yes, shoving white pills up your nose is probably one of them, Vamp ^^)


Nice.

I still think complaining is a good waste of time. Smiley: lol
#26 Nov 24 2004 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I think bards tale is the only things thats going to keep some semblence of my sanity for the next 2 days.
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