helping->griefing->kill stealingFollow

From Azuarc's post I gather that if another player - not in group - tagges a creature, and I help kill it ( because of misplaced helpfulness ) the tagger looses exp because of my "help". Therefore one should only help if it is obvious, by clicking on both player and the creature, that player will die for sure - unless I help. ... Kill stealing, ala EQ, is not possible since only tagger can get exp. Do I interpret this correctly? And if so - we need a nice, short way to explain this to helpful others. Maybe a /say macro that says - "thank you for your help, but it did cause me some loss of exp. - did yu want to group - or??? ..."
HMMM - that's not very short...
Comments?

The amount of damage has nothing to do with it. It's already explained in WoW rules on their website. It's whoever causes damage to it first.

I'm not aware of any experience loss this way, but I never actually paid attention to that.

But if you do at least 1 damage to a creature before some other player comes crashing in to kill it, you will get the experience for it as well as the loot. The other player will then, most likely, tell you you're some vulgar part of human anatomy and storm off in a rage.

It's not my fault Blizzard gave me instant-cast damage spells.

Edited, Sat Nov 20 22:22:39 2004 by Halloween

I have had KSers do stuff when i was in a group, if you pull several mobs they will try to tag some of the mobs but they mobs still have agro on you, so your pt has to kill them and then the KSer gets exp and loot. But really its not much of a problem it seems, i have only a few instances where this was a problem.

Kithpine, maybe the KSer wasn't doing it purposely and thought, as I usually think when I'm hunting mobs:

"hey...he has to kill the same mobs as me for that quest. Let's just do it together."

...although I usually ask before inviting...

Edited, Sat Nov 20 22:30:22 2004 by Halloween

It was supposed to be a little sarcastic )) since wasn't sure how to handle it - esp. if not sure of the others intention - but if there really is no loss of exp to the tagger - I suppose it doesn't matter. Or .. come to think of it - does helping kill affect faction ??

If you aren't in the same party, whoever gets the first hit for damage (a swing and miss doesn't count) gets 100% of the exp for the kill.

Kill stealing isn't really a big deal so far as experience is concerned, because 70+% of the EXP in this game is not from monster kills, but rather from quest rewards. As an example, a low level quest might require you to kill 10 of a certain kind of monster, and each kill might yield 50 exp, while successful completion of the quest might net 2000-2500 experience. Experience awarded for quest completion is the same regardless of whether you have one person or five people in your group.

This is why nearly all the high level people (lvl 41-48) on the open beta played in groups. These players recognized that the fastest way to level was in the fastest possible completion of various quests. Parties of three and four were probably most common, given the bonus to exp for groups (three people in party nets far more than 1/3 of exp for each kill).

There are also many areas where the monsters available for such a quest is limited (given the number of players seeking those kills), and not partying essentially "wastes monsters." It can take 5-10 minutes for monster respawns in many areas, so if you don't party, you'll run into situations where three or four people in an area each have 4 of the 10 kills they need, and you're all waiting an extra 5-10 minutes for the next monster respawn. Partying can get this quest done in 5min, while trying to solo it can take 20 or 30 minutes with downtime waiting for one or more monster respawns.

there shouldn't be anyone complaining about xp from mobs anyway. No one is EVER walking around killing mobs for xp. Only for quest completion.

The ONLY time I actually noticed xp from mobs was inside instanced zones, because the xp is great there. I went into an instanced zone while in "rested" state and each elite mob was dropping 400+xp. It's a good feeling.

It's 110% pointless to kill mobs without a quest. killing mobs for 100xp a pop is all well and good, but if you had the quest for those specific mobs, you could run back to town in 2 minutes and pick up an extra 1000xp+ (depending on the difficulty) for completing the quest. Then, with another mob-killing quest, do the same thing. You'll be picking up much more xp/hour that way.

and the reason i say 110% because if you're just going to kill mobs with no quest, the best thing for you to do would be to go solo in an instanced dungeon a few levels lower than you. You'll be able to take out the elite mobs inside the instance for more than double the xp you're making from the regular mobs outside. I did it with my lvl 31 paladin in the stockades, raking in 450xp per mob in "rested" state.

So if there is no big xp loss then could a lvl 60 PL a player on stuff way higher than that players lvl as long as the low lvl person tags it?

Someone will have to test how much "some" is, exactly.

Halloween - false, people grind plenty. Powergamers all know that it's the fastest way to level, even if it is more shallow. Besides, even when you quest, over 2/3 of your exp are going to come from mob kills unless you have a full group for quests you could do yourself.




The loss from others doing damage isn't usually a big deal. Unless someone is following you around doing it consistently, there's no reason to say anything.

I also noticed that when I killed a mob about 4 levels higher than me, I still only got about the same exp for it for much more hassle. I did it solo, and no one helped so unless memory is failing me, then I'd say it's best to stick to mobs closer to your level for faster exp. I could be wrong about this, but I think that's how I remember it happening. =)

This is the info I was referring to - but as noted - it doesn't give specifics - maybe once game is on line for a month we can get some real data so we can help without hurting - that was the point. I like to help a little sometimes ;=)