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#1 Nov 19 2004 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
Blizzard is annoying Non-North American, Aust, NZ players

1) Blizzard is strictly practicing Alienation and Regional-Discrimination against all gamers that don't belong to North America, Australia and New Zealand.

2) Blizzard practicing the "OUTSIDERS: STAY OUT and GET OUT" of our American servers policy.

3) You need the North American-release version + North American/Australia/New Zealand Billing Address + North American/Australia/New Zealand IP address. I heard Blizzard enforces IP Address Banning and Filtering.

4) I have seen a large number of unruly North American players in Official Blizzard forums telling "Non-North-American" players not to "pollute" their servers. Although I insist that there are some kind North Americans souls out there.

5) Is it too hard to ask to play on a English Speaking server?

6) Blizzard seems to be contented with making money from "selected customers".

7) Granted that WoW might have better interface, better Newbie integration into gameplay game, improved healing and combat. What's the use if Non-North American/Australia/New Zealand players get alienated?
#2 Nov 19 2004 at 7:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Blizzard is Blizzard. They are a company with free will. If they will a select set of customers, that is their right. The "North American" way!
#3 Nov 19 2004 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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Pay no attention to the post above, I for one am an american and i dislike the way they handled this. I have man EU and asian friends from other games i wont get to play WoW with...for what? lol supposedly "better lag"...*cough* ok right thats why i didnt lag on EQ with my friends from europe and japan? But it is their company and they are entitled to sell to whom they want unfortunatly. And it wont stop me from playing the wonderful game they have created.
#4 Nov 19 2004 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
Damn, one of my favorite things about my server on DAOC was getting to play with the late-night Japanese crew on MLF.

Them's the breaks though, I 'spose.
#5 Nov 19 2004 at 7:45 AM Rating: Decent
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I, for one, am glad they segregated the servers.
#6 Nov 19 2004 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
Well, Not that I am defending these policies, because I would like to be able to play with some of my friends overseas very much. Blizzard does have a right to do what it is doing, they feel that this is what is best for the players.

No matter what you, or I think about it, they dont have to change anything. and I highly doubt there will be many people who refuse to buy this game because of this.

Also The Players in the forums do not represent blizzard, please do not make it sound like thay do. This is called twisting the facts, and makes me want to disreguard any other information in your post, factual or not.

The Brutal truth weather you want to hear it or not. And I'll state it again for those of you who are skimming my post. I dont support this, and I'm not against it. We'll see how it works out. Blizzard has a right to let whoever they want on their servers. It's not up to you, or anyone else. The servers, as well as the game belong to blizzard. It's just one of those harsh truths.
#7 Nov 19 2004 at 8:14 AM Rating: Default
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Shh, I thought you were suposed to be the idiot here.
#8 Nov 19 2004 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
Oh! Oops! Sorry! Smiley: drool2
#9 Nov 19 2004 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
Any of you that are complaining about this ever play Final Fantasy XI? Remember how the Japanese didn't release it to North America until it had been out for a year already? Square Soft was Japanese owned, Blizzard is American owned. Same concept, different platform. I personally agree with it.

A game made my Americans for Americans. Same as FFXI was a game made for Japanese by Japanese.

But, then again, people crabbed about that too. I guess it is just North American arrogance that suggests we have to complain about every little thing.

Oh, yes, I am American.
#10 Nov 19 2004 at 8:43 AM Rating: Default
Localized servers are being implemented because WoW is built around a PvP base. Sorry(and yes, I live in the US), but it's no fun to get killed by a character that is 3 levels below you because he's lagging all over the place.

Blizzard is a company. Obviously, they don't need your money or they would offer the game to you(which, they are come february).

4) I have seen a large number of unruly North American players in Official Blizzard forums telling "Non-North-American" players not to "pollute" their servers. Although I insist that there are some kind North Americans souls out there.

Some Europeans would make similar comments, and you are just as guilty as the makers by trying to apply a stereotype. There are bigots in the world, don't help them.
#11 Nov 19 2004 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
Xarth wrote:
Localized servers are being implemented because WoW is built around a PvP base.


I can see it now... "PlayerRaceX is racist,.. they keep PvPing all us PlayerRaceY!!!" This kind of thing happened sooo much on FFXI...
#12 Nov 19 2004 at 8:56 AM Rating: Decent
Well i personally think its wrong but then being from the UK i would, there are many good points to this, however there are ways around. I've had no mail saying that my Pre-ordered WoW CE will not be shipped to me in the uk, all CC are accepted in the US so im going to have to lie about my address to get around no biggie just means that i will not get the supprot if its needed.

After all your good enough to take our support/lifes when it comes to war! but not good enough to share your games with us legally.

Yes i do think that spamming in a different languge is annoying. however most of those that wish to play the US version will use english.

Yes i think Farming gold/items sucks - but then again think you'll find that those WoW farming companies already set up are not from anywhere else apart from the US so far.
(im not going to give names cos i dont want to even give them the publicity)

No lag doesnt come into it i played the beta version and never had a problem with lag even when i took part in raids.

Basically it boils down to money

those in the UK dont need translation oh apart from words like colour - color but i can live with that!

See you in Retail a day or two later than the US will be there but least that means the newbie areas should be less congested.
#13 Nov 19 2004 at 8:59 AM Rating: Default
Just because you don't lag doesn't mean others wont. Dial-up users in the states do not lag. Dial up users in EU DO LAG. I've played with some of them. More power to you if you buy the game, and have it sent across seas, but don't say I didn't warn you when Blizz blocks your ip, as they've done in the past with other games.
#14 Nov 19 2004 at 9:06 AM Rating: Decent
Kotora wrote:
After all your good enough to take our support/lifes when it comes to war! but not good enough to share your games with us legally.


I'm going to assume this is a low blow to america miserably failed. You do realise blizzard has nothing to do with our government right? I sure hope so. If not... well... maybe before you try to say things like this you should be more informed.

Besides wich Most of the people posting on this forum are teenagers. I myself am 19 so were clear. Theres no point trying to spread this political dribble to somone who:

A) Probably doesnt know anything about politics or any foreign affairs for that matter.

B) Doesnt have a say in the matter (yes those of us over 18 sort of do... but in the long run we really dont.)


But I mean... if thats the name of the game I guess I'll just have to grit my teeth and bear it.


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Basically it boils down to money


Basically it boils down to Blizzard company policy. Be glad it's being released overseas at all. I sure was glad when I got FFXI even if it was a year later than Asia.
#15 Nov 19 2004 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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"I can see it now... "PlayerRaceX is racist,.. they keep PvPing all us PlayerRaceY!!!" This kind of thing happened sooo much on FFXI... "

I never ran into that issue, however... I have several friends who read Japanese. Did you ever notice that for months there were a lot of Japanese players' bazaars that had text in them essentially saying "Go away foreign devil" or "Will not sell to American" ??

I disagree with the segregation to a degree, but I think that given the different release dates it is the best move. I don't want the EU players to feel like they are entering 'our' servers and recieve backlash from those of us who can't realize that nationality doesn't matter, especially in an online world.
#16 Nov 19 2004 at 9:11 AM Rating: Default
I think that if WoW had a FULL PvP server, I would be a gnome racist, and kill every Gnome I saw, and refuse to group with them.
#17 Nov 19 2004 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Yup it is their right. And the low blow to americans is kinda dumb...doesnt make me feel bad for you in the least. So please keep politics out of it, our men and women are dieing too :/ and i cant help the electoral college makes my vote in alaska about as usefull as used toilet paper. So bush is NOT my fault.
#18 Nov 19 2004 at 9:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'll be trying out WoW, even though I'm not American and am halfway around the globe. Considering almost all my friends are from the US it's a pretty big issue for me. Currently getting a friend to pay for the game and I'll be paying them in return.

And if they really don't want me playing on their NA servers... /shrug. A lot of people in my country speak English since it's the first language taught in schools, and many people over here have been discouraged from WoW because of regionalisation. It's been rumored that players here would be grouped under 'Asia' and are to play on the servers located in Taiwan/Korea/China, which is mostly BS for us because we don't speak Korean at all.

Then again, it's not in our place to say what Blizzard should or should not do, so most of us are importing and trying but that's all we can do.

Some people I know have speculated that Blizzard sold the distribution rights for Asia and other regions to other companies, so if people imported and played on the NA servers, these other companies would be losing money.

Edited, Fri Nov 19 09:36:46 2004 by Whren
#19 Nov 19 2004 at 9:35 AM Rating: Decent
hellpup wrote:
I disagree with the segregation to a degree, but I think that given the different release dates it is the best move. I don't want the EU players to feel like they are entering 'our' servers and recieve backlash from those of us who can't realize that nationality doesn't matter, especially in an online world.


Hellpup, I totally agree with you.

To Everyone overseas trying to get into the NA servers: Good luck, I hope to see you there. It's nice being able to get players from other areas of the world.

And on that note... Back to: Smiley: drool2

Edit: Typo in the Quote tags.

Edit2: Response to Whren's Edit...

Whren wrote:
Some people I know have speculated that Blizzard sold the distribution rights for Asia and other regions to other companies, so if people imported and played on the NA servers, these other companies would be losing money.


I diddnt even know they could do that. I learn somthing new every day. Good post Whren.

Edited, Fri Nov 19 09:38:55 2004 by Aacra

Edited, Fri Nov 19 09:40:47 2004 by Aacra
#20 Nov 19 2004 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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Just because you don't lag doesn't mean others wont. Dial-up users in the states do not lag. Dial up users in EU DO LAG. I've played with some of them.


Dial up who said anything about being on dial up trying to play any game on dial up is a right pain, we have got fast con's over here too.

Yes i did relate to politics and i know your guys are dying too,i feel for you guys.its not a low blow at america people in gerneral everyone i have met has been friendly and i've met a few at fanfest etc.

Blizz is basically sticking two fingers up to parts of the world and hardcore MMoRPG players it should be embracing.Europe is fast becoming a MMo's Market, I've played MMo's for 9 years and this is the first time, i've come across this type of thing.

IP banning maybe a little to much work and there are ways around this too.

I guess my point is that most Europeans WILL wait for the Euro release, however those in Internationals guilds, Hardcore MMoRPG players will want to play at source and will play at source.

I noted that no other flames about farming market, foreign spamming etc.

These where the points raised in Blizz forum about this subject.
so-called asian farming. ><


Edited, Fri Nov 19 09:57:02 2004 by Kotora
#21 Nov 19 2004 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
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If you really want a comment about farming:

Someone mentioned that the major farming company is based in the US.

I think I know which one you are talking about. They also have overseas offices, and I understand that most of their actual farming is outsourced there.

Ummm... that was my rant. I expect farming to be focussed on the PvP and 'normal' servers, so I don't really worry about it much, being an RPer.
#22 Nov 19 2004 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Hehe, long gone is the EQ rp server which had the most reason to farm items.
#23 Nov 19 2004 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
I understand how you feel, I played FFXI and know what it is like to be the red headed stepchild.

I don't really see any reason to say "No, you can't play here" since it doesn't affect me at all... if you want to put up with more latency that is your problem.

In the end, however, Blizzard makes its own policies, and they may have good reason to do what they are doing.
#24 Nov 19 2004 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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*cough* You guys are aware that Blizzard plan to allow people from any country to choose whatever server they want once the European version is out, right? If you don't, I'd thought you would like to know... *the cookie eating continues*
#25 Nov 19 2004 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes Blizzard is doing this to annoy people and practice racist policies.

Think about it a bit, Blizzard is a business, they want to make money and do so in a way that offers the lest stress.

Blizzard has as a company already been burned by an international market. They have had problems with Diablo II, WarCraft and Starcraft. They understand that if someone out of certain territorial boundaries commits illegal acts against them that harm or ruin the game they will due to said territorial boundaries be unable to go after these people. Ego they wish to limit their risk by creating a system that limits said territorial interruptions of their business.

Also by separating territories it gives them the ability to distribute their product through third party vendors who will be able to distribute the product in their territory of origin without competing with the parent organization. These vendors will have easier time making a profit because they don't have to complete with Blizzards main and heavily populated servers.

Remember even iRO blocked countries that had an existing version of the game and are trying to encourage EU player to move to the EU version of their game.

People are upset, but then changes always upset people. Though to claim that Blizzard is doing this to annoy people is silly. Blizzard is doing this as a classic CYA move. Weather if the policy is strictly enforced or not, just having it gives Blizzard the option to boot non-regional players with no remorse or worry of legal repercussions.

Having played FFXI, iRO, Eve, Lineage 2, I can say that there are good things and bad things that will come from localization and regional restrictions.
#26 Nov 19 2004 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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haha, i think thats funny, its good to be North American! Though i must admit, i played with a Japanese guy from yokosuka or something. So i dont know how true what u say is.

Edited, Fri Nov 19 10:44:55 2004 by SkeeLo
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