Do Final Fantasy players feel threatened? LMAOFollow

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Hey guys, yes, unfortunately, an FFXI player has wandered into this thread. I just wanted to reply as I thought it was a bit unfair.

I am in complete agreement with you that FFXI has several serious flaws, and there are quite a few people leaving with various new MMOs coming out shortly. More power to them, I am in complete agreement with them, if you don't enjoy FFXI you shouldn't be playing. But for me, there are still several aspects of the game I enjoy.

The reason I have noticed many of the FFXI vs. WoW threads being rated down is quite frankly because they are unbelievably biased. If you want to look at what happens with a fair and honest comparison with WoW and EQ2, check that thread here. Or if you are lazy, it is a very fair comparison of the likes and dislikes this poster has of both games. It also has a rating of 4.86, which is very high for a thread comparing two games.

I think if you really want to try to get a point across to the FFXI community, you should try to do it in a similar fashion as that poster did. To be honest, I have yet to see anything remotely resembling that type of unbiased information in the FFXI forum. All I have seen is people vehement when others try to mention any possible good point of FFXI, and an ensuing flame war. If there is truly no point of FFXI you enjoyed, maybe it's not a good idea to try to compare the two, as no matter what, your post is going to come across with a severe bias.

Anyways, just my two cents.

Heh must admit I found this all interesting. I still play FF but about to approach a year on the game and honestly...I'm starting to dislike it strongly. I'm tired of forced grouping, I'm tired of needing "Higher" help for my AF and so forth. I'm into fantasy and came into FF thinking I can play that solo adventurer who works in groups from time to time but is known for running around alone growing in strength and helping others...well...if you played FF you know that isn't possible unless a beast tamer. So now I'm looking at WoW and EQ2 with heavy interest. Only my girlfriend keeps me on FF. Not to mention if I fight another beetle, crab or bad *** bunny I might lose my freaking mind.

I feel like the above poster ^^^^ ; ;

I am a huge fan of FF and Square-Enix in general,but even I as a fanboy cannot tolerate those insane timesink anymore.

Playing WOW has truly made me realize how separating exp/money gain/questing/big reward is not only a bad thing but a very cheap way to extand exponantially the game time.

It is now unacceptable to do a quest for my body AF gear and not doing a single point of exp or no money whatsoever from it.In the same line of thought,doing a quest for near no other reward than gaining fame to get access to quest which grant access to avatar and a couple of useful spell is not enough.The best gear can only be obtained by monster camping or paying insane amount of money.In WOW,I currently have a quest for my warrior which will give me a great armor.I will be able to make exp,cash from loot and get the cool armor piece all just from this one quest.Questing/money gaining/big reward and exp should all go hand in hand.

And those instanced dungeon are incredible indeed ^0^ I would love to be able to say the same thing about FF XI as you can earn big exp,good gear drop and cash from going on a raid to kill the boss unlike the shadowlord mission in FF XI(mission 5-2 which give you money after you finished it but nothing while you are doing it).Instanced dungeon in WOW give me that opportunity and I would not have it otherwise.This is how it was and still is in those single player FF rpg(and they are fun as well).This is how it should of been in FF XI,but alas this is not the case.

Playing WOW made me realize just how flawed mmorpg can get by introducing insane timesink which we perceive as natural and view these as obstacle to surpass in order to feel a huge sense of accomplishment and a small moment of joy and fun(in other word,100+ hours of tedious and boring task for 1 minute of joy as you get what you worked for like buying that haubergeon after all that dull farming and camping for cash).However,in no way whatsoever these timesink are fun.WOW eliminate those timesink and allow us to constantly have moment of fun and joy.

I like the fact that Blizzard designer are asking themselves: Am I actually having fun right now? while designing WOW.This is exactly what it's all about in the end:fun ^0^ Let's hope S-E developer ask themselves the same question while designing Fantasy earth:Is what I am implementing fun? Because massive farming is not fun.Camping NM or HNM for hours is not a fun task.Strict party requirement is not fun and severe for casual gamer(almost end up hating a guy in my static because he can barely play 5-10 hours a week).Boring and dull quest which basically grant mediocre reward is not fun and it's a pain to do them.

I'm buying WOW ^0^

Edited, Tue Nov 9 13:31:12 2004 by kitzkozan

I used to play FFXI. i just quit this week.

i don't have the time anymore, i got to lv 64, and then school/work/GF started.

i began to play because all my IRL friends were playing. then they left.

I'm gonna play WoW while all my buds are playin too, and if they stop, that's Alright, 'cause i can damn solo :D yay.

hmm, guess i'm gonna have to change my forum handle
-Vert, erm, used to be...

I'm an ffxi player who just got into the WoW open beta. The game is definitely IMO better than FFXI overall. But I don't think I'm going to give up FFXI. Why? One word. Ninjas. I think this is one of the aspects that has kept many people playing FFXI.

What makes FFXI a final fantasy game isn't just chocobos and moogles, it's also the job system. Many FF fans (those who actually played something other than 7 and 10) love the traditional FF jobs. They play FFXI because they want to have a super-cool character that can use "Chakra" just like the monks in tactics or summons Ifrit or something like that.

For me, I love ninjas; so the thought of having an agile character walking around in "Far Eastern" armour with two kunai at my sides and casting magic that involves cool-looking kanji characters floating around me is totally worth putting up with the lameness that has been already mention plenty of times in this thread.

So if you want to be a ninja, monk, samurai, redmage or something like that, that's something that you can't get from WoW or EQ2.

I am a former FFXI player. I started playing it the day it was released in the US, and played it until May of this year. I quit the game, and then re-subbed a month ago because I really missed playing a mmorpg and my old linkshell buddies.
I got a RDM up to level 23, and its finally dawning on me the reasons I left in the first place. The thing is, the game is very addictive and almost evil in how it puts a hold on you. You waste way too much time with it. What's worse, is you can get so frustrated when you die and lose tons of xp and maybe even delevel. Its insane to think that a wrong turn and you will die and lose a day's worth of xp, or more depending on how long you waited for that last team/pt.

FFXI is designed to make everything excruciatingly painful to do...from the airship pass requirements, to kazham keys, to AF armor...everything is a pain in the ***. Travel time is also nuts in this game...I mean its just plain crazy.

I've only been playing WoW for a week, and so far I LOVE the game...it doesn't feel like a beta at all. The UI is far superior, and the gameplay is more fun. I like the combat system...it feels more like diablo or a regular RPG than "turn-based" style combat.

What really sold me, was last night, fighting underwater dinosaurs in Auberdine. hahah what the heck! that was hilarious...and a lot of fun :) though I almost drowned a few times.
I think its sad how the environment in FFXI is so fixed....you can't jump in the water in windurst where the dhalmel farm is..why not? that would be funny...but you can't...the game is just too limited. Probably because it has to run in PS2.

Anyway FFXI isn't all bad...obviously it was good enough to keep me entertained for several months. But its not a game I want to get stuck in again....if you play FFXI, give a serious thought to trying WoW or even EQ2. You won't regret it.

/rant

Ok,

While there were some good responses in this thread, most of you are full of ****.

If you played FFXI for a year and WoW for four days, and you are now saying that WoW is much better "IMO" you are a fool.

I've played FFXI for a year and have loved a great deal of it. I loved many things about it, and there were certain things that I didn't like.

If you played FFXI for a year and say "I hate forced grouping" then you're an idiot because you should have quit FFXI 11 months ago. In FFXI, the very strongest aspect of play is the amazing synergy of a good group. Yes - there is nothing more annoying than a bad group, or looking for group unsuccessfully, but if you "hate forced grouping" and you played FFXI for a year, you are a real moron.

If you played FFXI for 2 months and got to L31 and want to come and make comparisons, you are a fool because you never got far enough to have a clue what the game is about.

Sorry to be so critical, but so many of the posts in this thread are incredibly stupid.

I apologize to those of you who had good insight to add. There were good posts in this thread, too. I'm just replying to the dumbfounded ones because they just struck me as incredibly stupid and worthy of a harsh flaming.

/end rant

I am lvl 87.8 in goldsmithing.

there is no way im quiting ffxi now /em twitches

I will play both
ffxi on ps2 and WOW on PC MUAHAHHA

Whoever revived this post, die.

I quit FFXI after a year (62 BRD, 57 PLD, 37 WHM, 33 WAR, blah blah blah) for the sole reason that Square has made no effort to improve the game. They made melee damage dealers worthless for HNM fights and pretty much all end game stuff. A lvl 75 MNK (Max lvl) with awesome gear hitting one of the new HNM dragons for 0, IF he even hit. Melee accuracy is pathetic in the game to the point where you gotta spend 2+ million in gear just to be average. Even if you do get the gear, you will have to look for group for hours and hours because no one wants melee damage dealers. The game would function just fine with NIN, RNG, RDM, and BRD. Most uber PT i've ever had was NIN RNG RNG RNG RDM BRD.

Square knows this yet they do nothing, and that is the main reason I quit.

i play final fantasy and i must say i don't feel threatened by WoW or EQ2 or any other game you can think of. Each of these games are different for me FFXI is the one for me i like grouping. Also the main boards for FFXI is just plain crap every good player in FFXI never post on the main board because of the bs they put on there. The admin on this site do nothing on here. Final fantasy is for me i won't be leaving for a while.